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How will they rule ??!

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Shocking.

 
They're all ancient near east legal codes that influenced each other over time. They show a common societal history. The Torah was one among many in a long tradition. That area was the heart of human civilization going back thousands of years, even before the advent of agriculture and large settled communities. Gobekli Tepe is older than 9000 BCE.

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I agree to an extent. Whether one believes the Bible or not, the Bible doesn’t argue that Mosaic Law was the first set of laws among humans. It acknowledges established civilizations during the time of Abraham and even Noah. I’m sure early people all borrowed ideas from each other as people traveled and made the move from hunter/gatherers. Personally I’m really interested in the site at Karahan Tepe. They believe it to be older than Gobekli.
 
Do you understand exponents? I asked you that earlier and you dodged.

But the simple truth is, and there is math behind it, that the molecules crucial to life are so enormously complex that it is impossible for them to arise by chance. A single simple protein molecule could not have formed even in the “billions of years” evolutionists claim are available.
Of course I know what exponents are. That's why I asked for a link, you seem to be a layperson and I'm genuinely curious what you're going on about. Always looking to expand my understanding. Are you talking about organic molecules in general or specifically nucleotides like the building blocks of DNA?
 
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It’s best to look for books relative to particular religions. They’re much more comprehensive. Older books are better for me because I get kind of frustrated reading through newer books about Mesopotamia and Sumer. You get the ancient alien guys like Josh Free involved. As far as Christianity goes, Earl Cairns “Christianity through the Centuries” is good but reads like a textbook. Robert Winn has “Christianity in the Roman Empire”. It’s a good read. I’ll have to go through my library and see what I can find. I’m finishing another degree certification right now so my time has been limited to read.
Thank ya
 
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They're all ancient near east legal codes that influenced each other over time. They show a common societal history. The Torah was one among many in a long tradition. That area was the heart of human civilization going back thousands of years, even before the advent of agriculture and large settled communities. Gobekli Tepe is older than 9000 BCE.

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Not impressed. For example, Hammurabi's codes were not really principles but more about legal structure for him to govern his kingdom, whereas the Ten Commandments were God's guiding principles of living. Big difference. And whether or not Hammurabi and others had their own lists of rules doesn't disprove the origin of the Ten Commandments despite your attempt to claim such a thing.
 
Quoting you and a question. Anyone feel free to chip in. The history of religion is extremely interesting.

If I were to go to my library and look for some interesting reads what would I look for?

I am on leave from work for a hernia surgery. Just looking for something else to pass time
I'd recommend Foxe's Book of Martyrs, which is a very interesting read, and it details much of the adventures of the early church.
 
Not impressed. For example, Hammurabi's codes were not really principles but more about legal structure for him to govern his kingdom, whereas the Ten Commandments were God's guiding principles of living. Big difference. And whether or not Hammurabi and others had their own lists of rules doesn't disprove the origin of the Ten Commandments despite your attempt to claim such a thing.
Mosaic Law was extremely comprehensive. Although it mirrored other codes of the time, the others had little to nothing to say about spiritual matters or paths to actual forgiveness, which is what defined it.
 
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I agree to an extent. Whether one believes the Bible or not, the Bible doesn’t argue that Mosaic Law was the first set of laws among humans. It acknowledges established civilizations during the time of Abraham and even Noah. I’m sure early people all borrowed ideas from each other as people traveled and made the move from hunter/gatherers. Personally I’m really interested in the site at Karahan Tepe. They believe it to be older than Gobekli.
Thanks, hadn't heard of it. Just googled.

Edit to add: It looks to be from the same period, one of what they're now thinking is a much larger network of actual cities, rather than Gobekli being a lone temple as had been speculated. Apparently drones and LIDAR have done some good things in the archaeology field in the last few years and they think they've found at least 11 other unexcavated sites. Super cool.
 
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Mosaic Law was extremely comprehensive. Although it mirrored other codes of the time, the others had little to nothing to say about spiritual matters or paths to actual forgiveness, which is what defined it.
Right - that's because the Ten Commandments were the first installment of God's law to His people, the Jews. There were actually 613 Deuteronomic laws laid down for the Jews in total, from divorce to what animals to eat. But the Ten Commandments were how God expected His people to live in order to glorify Him.

After Christ's death on the cross, the law was fulfilled, and the age of grace began. No longer was the sacrifice of lambs to atone for sin necessary, because Jesus was the perfect sacrifice for all time.
 
Not impressed. For example, Hammurabi's codes were not really principles but more about legal structure for him to govern his kingdom, whereas the Ten Commandments were God's guiding principles of living. Big difference. And whether or not Hammurabi and others had their own lists of rules doesn't disprove the origin of the Ten Commandments despite your attempt to claim such a thing.
The conversation was about the basis of American law and human law. People claimed American law was directly based on the Ten Commandments. It wasn't, it was based on the entirety of human law history. The Torah was itself a small piece of a much larger legal tradition in the ancient near east. Americans only have this delusion about the Commandments because biblical history is widely taught while no one mentions Sumerian, Babylonian, Assyrian, Scythian, or Persian history. They were all happening simultaneously and had all arisen from literally millennia of human society in the area. The Bronze Age and even earlier in that part of the globe was a highly interconnected web of cultural, economic, and political exchange.

Mosaic Law was extremely comprehensive. Although it mirrored other codes of the time, the others had little to nothing to say about spiritual matters or paths to actual forgiveness, which is what defined it.
This is exactly what I've been saying all day. The legal basics were already universal at its time of creation. It has remained notable and exceptional in history for these other reasons you highlight.
 
Spoken like someone who has read those Jack Chick biblical cartoon tracts and taken them to heart. Sorry but not sorry I’m not buying what you’re selling.
I gave you Bible verses to look up, not Jack Chick cartoon tract pages. Interesting that your response is mere deflection. Are you not confident enough in your own beliefs to construct an actual argument?

I've studied Catholicism more than you have, I guarantee it. I only gave you a sample of the differences.

Look the verses up or not, but refute them you cannot.
 




This is why I don't get all the Mitch hate. Ya I'm not a huge fan either and this is a giant long shot, but literally noone else could pull this off.

I thought he was nuts when he blocked what appeared to be a moderate garland, but boy did it pay off.
Just because Mitch "warned Biden" doesn't mean he hasn't done plenty of damage to the country. When the chips are down, will he actually have the sack to stand up against him? He always folds when it comes to passing the Democrats' porkulus bills. We have Obamacare because of Mitch. And Trump got zero support from the GOP because of China Mitch.
 
The conversation was about the basis of American law and human law. People claimed American law was directly based on the Ten Commandments. It wasn't, it was based on the entirety of human law history. The Torah was itself a small piece of a much larger legal tradition in the ancient near east. Americans only have this delusion about the Commandments because biblical history is widely taught while no one mentions Sumerian, Babylonian, Assyrian, Scythian, or Persian history. They were all happening simultaneously and had all arisen from literally millennia of human society in the area. The Bronze Age and even earlier in that part of the globe was a highly interconnected web of cultural, economic, and political exchange.


This is exactly what I've been saying all day. The legal basics were already universal at its time of creation. It has remained notable and exceptional in history for these other reasons you highlight.
You don't want to look too deep into Babylonian and Assyrian history, believe me. Don't research Nineveh at the time of Jonah either. You don't want to know what your 'revered' ancient societies really did back then.
 
Just because Mitch "warned Biden" doesn't mean he hasn't done plenty of damage to the country. When the chips are down, will he actually have the sack to stand up against him? He always folds when it comes to passing the Democrats' porkulus bills. We have Obamacare because of Mitch. And Trump got zero support from the GOP because of China Mitch.

He stuck it to Obama on the SCOTUS nominee and Obama was way more the adversary.

Alot about Mitch I don't like but 1) no politician out there (except maybe desantis) they I ever 100% agree with and 2) who else would do better? He's the longest tenured party leader in history and proven time and again to be excellent at his job
 
You don't want to look too deep into Babylonian and Assyrian history, believe me. Don't research Nineveh at the time of Jonah either. You don't want to know what your 'revered' ancient societies really did back then.
Ancient life was brutal. Life today can be brutal, check a mine in Africa. That's the very reason we've progressed over the millennia and strive to continuing progressing every day into the future. The Founders were learned men who knew humanity's long complicated history and did their part to progress into a better world for future generations. It's time we do our part and show some of that true patriotism.
 




This is why I don't get all the Mitch hate. Ya I'm not a huge fan either and this is a giant long shot, but literally noone else could pull this off.

I thought he was nuts when he blocked what appeared to be a moderate garland, but boy did it pay off.

He’s a mixed bag.

He’s great at the appointment stuff. And at times, he has shown a willingness to stand firm and block the opposition agenda.

But he’s been in Washington almost 40 years and everyone knows that he and his wife have lined their pockets while America has moved increasingly toward a socialist country.
 
Research just released that people are taking the death shot for the economic incentives (the freebies)

That's how you get poor people to comply

How much would they have to offer you Knowls?

At what price would you at least give it a thought?

You are going to say no price and then brag about your perfect cholesterol or some bullsh-t....but seriously, what's the price?
 
Right - that's because the Ten Commandments were the first installment of God's law to His people, the Jews. There were actually 613 Deuteronomic laws laid down for the Jews in total, from divorce to what animals to eat. But the Ten Commandments were how God expected His people to live in order to glorify Him.

After Christ's death on the cross, the law was fulfilled, and the age of grace began. No longer was the sacrifice of lambs to atone for sin necessary, because Jesus was the perfect sacrifice for all time.
Interesting side note here. The average pomegranate has 613 seeds

Pomegranates are mentioned 25 times in the O.T. Quite a bit in building of the Tabernacle.
 
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What murder and theft? You’re completely wrong
  • I am the Lord your God. You shall not have strange gods before me. You shall not make to thyself any graven thing; nor the likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth. You shall not adore them nor serve them. Freedom of religion derived from this so that you have free will.

  • You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. 100 years ago in this country you could have been arrested or fined in some places. Still though the FCC will not allow it on mainstream television or radio. You will be fined or shutdown.

  • Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day. - where do you think the weekend came from? Saturday is the sabbath. You like your weekend? Then thank HaShem

  • Honor your father and your mother. You belong to your parents and must obey them until adulthood. That’s the law!

  • You shall not kill. It’s actually murder in the Torah which is the original text


  • You shall not commit adultery. You comitt adultery in a marriage and you could lose rights to see your kid or possibly monetary privileges such as alimony. In the military you are dishonorably discharged. There are several other instances in which is penalized legally for adultery but I laid out the primary examples.

  • You shall not steal. You go to jail potentially prison depending on the degree.

  • You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. False witness? You go to prison for perjury, there are 100s of scenarios that lying will land you in legal jeopardy.

  • You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife. You covet another woman again see adultery not to mention restraining orders and charges for stalking etc. if proven in divorce that this lead to the issues then again you lose parental rights, benefits etc that’s in current laws in all states.

  • You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods. Again this goes to restraining order, stalking, if there is absolute proof that say through gossip you lose your job not to mention you don’t have theft without coveting other people’s shit.

How about this. 9 of them solid will get you in hot water or are used to determine legal matters. Especially with displays of coveting. So let me ask. Where did those 9 come from? Why would you accept the 9 and discard the others? Oh because of your feelings? Well that’s not how it works. You think those 9 just poof popped up in some old Hebrews mind? Cmon dude. You lied the first time about only 2 mattering. You need to get some education because it’s not like all this came from thin air.
I almost pissed myself from laughing so hard after reading that. Lmao
 
Yep I knew you had zero answer.

Your mockery reeks of fear.

Bottom line is, evolution is mathematically impossible.
You gotta be the dumbest nut on here. In some species and ecosystems you can watch evolution happen over a few generations. You can see it over the earlier stages of humans. Eventually Our species decided to mostly bypass evolution and use technology instead to adapt to problems. If the makeup of our atmosphere drastically changed, and we managed to survive long enough, our systems would evolve to use the new atmosphere. If Elon ever gets his dream of colonizing Mars we will get to witness some mild evolution as generations are born in the different gravity and radiation levels.
 
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