We have to parse out the foreign policy elements from the theological ones if you want to make that type of argument. Yes, Obama matters if he's commenting on genocide, military engagements, etc. He doesn't matter when discussing scriptural analysis, revision of dogma, etc.
not to totally derail this convo into a theological one, but i just read the address (the whole "violent religion" part is a small section). i'd like to discuss the theological aspects with you if you have the time to read it sometime today. some very heavy Protestantism buried in it, IMO.
You're going to have to articulate your point a little better.
Agreed, but the problem is that the Reformation involved cutting away all of the superfluous dogma the Church had added over the centuries and returning to the fairly benign, mystic teachings of Jesus and Paul. Furthermore, Jesus mostly spoke in parables and riddles; the Quaran and Hadith are collections of unambiguous declarative statements of "fact".
As I said, I don't really care what Obama said. Every thread on hear about terrorism always results in a group of posters bringing up the crusades. It's stupid. And that's the mentality of the left.
From the sound of it, it seems Islam needs 600 more years of evolving, hence my earlier post.
But, it is pointless to bring up something that has long since past to relate to or almost make excuses for, what is happening now. The message now should be, we have seen this before and will not let it happen again or will not tolerate it.
Fundamental Islam wants to take everybody back to the 7th century and wants to kill everybody who doesn't want to go with them.
Exactly. Instead we get denials of their religion or that theyre even terrorists; until very recently. Then we're told basically "its not so bad. Christians killed people 1000 years ago"; as if that's any excuse for whats going on in 2015.
Why would I read the speech of a Muslim that hates America? It's all lies, anyways, even though liberals will sacrifice a lamb to the great dictator Barak HUSSEIN 0bama and worship him as a god. Also, something about the media involving the word fawning!
I am not sure what could happen for Obama to take a more active role in fighting Islamic radicals. I am pretty sure they could bomb his house and he would chalk it up to the house being old and needing to be remodeled anyway.
I think there is a stark difference between 1) not calling terrorists terrorists (which is appears you are accusing the president of, see bold, and I apologize if I'm mischaracterizing what you're saying), and 2) not calling terrorists Muslim (or Islamic) terrorists. The former is simply not true. The administration has called many people/groups terrorists, including ISIL and al-Qaeda. "ISIL is a terrorist organization, pure and simple." The latter is a interpretation of a religion and has reasonable arguments on both sides, not to mention policy implications. And I'm not sure how not calling ISIL and the ilk Muslim terrorists is somehow appeasing. Wouldn't such groups want to be recognized for their "faith"? Doesn't removing the "legitimacy" of the cause denude them for what they are? Does ISIL prefer to be known as terrorists (as opposed to Muslim terrorists)?
So calling them terrorists is not sufficient; he must call them Islamic terrorists (or some variant referring to Islam)? Is that the thrust of the argument?
There is a good argument that by doing so it would challenge the self-described peaceful and moderate Muslims to work harder to eradicate that element from their religion. The PEW polling often does not show they are as moderate in many areas of the left wants to describe them. We have had numerous terror events planned out of mosques in Europe for goodness sakes.
yea I think there are a lot of people in this country that do that also, some not too far from here.
That is one definition but, there are others that explain what it is used for also. It is and has been used against non believers to cover their intentions.
That "real" definition you have comes from Wikepedia which we all know how that is edited. Below is some of the reason to use "Taqiyya".
