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Albany, giving Israel billions has allowed them to defend their country from Muslims that want to kill them. I think helping a country of people that were almost exterminated is the right thing to do. You sound as if we should stop our financial aid to them and let them perish from the earth cause there isn't anything in it for us anyway. That's a tad cruel I think. They are (or were thanks to Obama) our strongest Ali in the region. Protecting them is an obligation im ok with. I would however question why we continue to give billions to Iran, a neighbor to Israel, that just so happens wants to chop off the heads of Israelis.
Albany, giving Israel billions has allowed them to defend their country from Muslims that want to kill them. I think helping a country of people that were almost exterminated is the right thing to do. You sound as if we should stop our financial aid to them and let them perish from the earth cause there isn't anything in it for us anyway. That's a tad cruel I think. They are (or were thanks to Obama) our strongest Ali in the region. Protecting them is an obligation im ok with. I would however question why we continue to give billions to Iran, a neighbor to Israel, that just so happens wants to chop off the heads of Israelis.
I still can't believe Obama renamed the White House Christmas tree a "holiday tree", but I read it in an email, and I'm naturally outraged!
Man, the way the left jumps on titles of bills and summaries of what's in them, they gotta be cumming in their pants over this new CARE Bill.
Reading the summary, it gives them everything they thought they were getting with Obamacare, but that we all knew was complete bullshit.
LET'S PASS THIS TO FIND OUT WHAT'S IN IT!!!!!
http://www.finance.senate.gov/newsroom/chairman/release/?id=78f09718-c5cc-47ee-b4e3-c5d33ecc9545
WASHINGTON, D.C. - Today, U.S. Senator Richard Burr (R-N.C.), Senate Finance Chairman Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), and House Energy and Commerce Chairman Fred Upton (R-Mich.) unveiled the Patient Choice, Affordability, Responsibility, and Empowerment (CARE) Act-a legislative plan that repeals Obamacare and replaces it with common-sense, patient-focused reforms that reduce health care costs and increase access to affordable, high-quality care. In contrast with Obamacare and its government-centered mandates and regulations, this bicameral proposal empowers the American people to make the best health care choices for themselves and their families.
"The American people have found out what is in Obamacare- broken promises in the form of increased health care costs, costly mandates, and government bureaucracy. They don't like it and don't want to keep it," said Burr. "Our nation's health care system was broken before Obamacare, and the President's health care debacle has only made things worse. The Patient CARE Act repeals Obamacare and addresses the fundamental cost drivers that Obamacare failed to address. We can lower costs and expand access to quality coverage and care by empowering individuals and their families to make their own health care decisions, rather than having the federal government make those decisions for them."
"From higher premiums and surprise tax bills, to patients losing plans they once enjoyed and hundreds of millions of dollars wasted on failed state exchanges, Obamacare has been a series of sorry surprises and broken promises. Yet, the ultimate failure of the law lies in its DNA - its inability to drive down costs making the law unsustainable and unaffordable," Hatch said. "Today, we offer a bold bicameral plan that fully repeals and replaces the healthcare law with reforms that empower patients - not Washington. We agree we can't return to the status quo of the pre-Obamacare world, so we equip patients with tools that will drive down costs while also ensuring those with pre-existing conditions and the young are protected. Our plan allows patients to make healthcare decisions for themselves - without a maze of mandates, fines, and taxes. This plan is achievable, and above all, fiscally sustainable. And, unlike the passage of Obamacare, which was done in secret, we welcome input from the American people as we move this plan forward."
"Five years ago, America needed health reform. What we got was a law that has divided the country and hurt too many of the families that reform could have helped. Now, when I ask folks in Michigan what they're looking for in health reform, the answer is simple: they want us to roll up our sleeves and get to work, and that is what we have been doing for months, years even. They want real ideas on the table so we can have an honest debate," said Upton. "The health care law has already changed how so many Americans access care, and the possibility of even more disruption lies ahead. Just as I offered the Keep Your Health Plan Act to give Americans more affordable choices, I am pleased to join my colleagues in the Senate to offer the Patient CARE Act to create even more options and flexibility. Republicans have always had positive ideas for how to strengthen our health care system by protecting patients with preexisting conditions, and empowering Americans with more affordable health care choices and transparency. With the Patient CARE Act, we're presenting these ideas to the American people and offering a path to the health coverage and care they want and need."
Following today's release of the plan, the three lawmakers look forward to working with their Senate and House colleagues, states, and experts across the health care community to further refine and improve this blueprint with the goal of replacing Obamacare with common-sense reforms that lower health care costs and empower Americans in their health care choices and decisions.
The Patient CARE Act provides a legislative roadmap to repeal the President's health care law known as Obamacare and replace the law with common-sense measures that would:
Establish sustainable, patient-focused reforms:
Adopt common-sense consumer protections;Create a new protection to help Americans with pre-existing conditions;Empower small businesses and individuals with purchasing power;Empower states with more tools to help provide coverage while reducing costs; andStrengthen consumer directed health care and allow Americans to buy coverage across state lines.
Modernize Medicaid to provide better coverage and care to patients:
Transition to capped allotment to provide states with predictable funding and flexibility.
Reduce defensive medicine and rein in frivolous lawsuits:
Medical Malpractice reforms.
Increase health care price transparency to empower consumers and patients:
Require basic health care transparency to inform and empower patients.
Reduce distortions in the tax code that drive up health care costs:
Cap the exclusion of an employee's employer-provided health coverage.
Empower Small Businesses and Individuals with Purchasing Power:
Targeted tax credit to help buy health care.
Reading the summary, it gives them everything they thought they were getting with Obamacare, but that we all knew was complete bullshit.
LET'S PASS THIS TO FIND OUT WHAT'S IN IT!!!!!
http://www.finance.senate.gov/newsroom/chairman/release/?id=78f09718-c5cc-47ee-b4e3-c5d33ecc9545
WASHINGTON, D.C. - Today, U.S. Senator Richard Burr (R-N.C.), Senate Finance Chairman Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), and House Energy and Commerce Chairman Fred Upton (R-Mich.) unveiled the Patient Choice, Affordability, Responsibility, and Empowerment (CARE) Act-a legislative plan that repeals Obamacare and replaces it with common-sense, patient-focused reforms that reduce health care costs and increase access to affordable, high-quality care. In contrast with Obamacare and its government-centered mandates and regulations, this bicameral proposal empowers the American people to make the best health care choices for themselves and their families.
"The American people have found out what is in Obamacare- broken promises in the form of increased health care costs, costly mandates, and government bureaucracy. They don't like it and don't want to keep it," said Burr. "Our nation's health care system was broken before Obamacare, and the President's health care debacle has only made things worse. The Patient CARE Act repeals Obamacare and addresses the fundamental cost drivers that Obamacare failed to address. We can lower costs and expand access to quality coverage and care by empowering individuals and their families to make their own health care decisions, rather than having the federal government make those decisions for them."
"From higher premiums and surprise tax bills, to patients losing plans they once enjoyed and hundreds of millions of dollars wasted on failed state exchanges, Obamacare has been a series of sorry surprises and broken promises. Yet, the ultimate failure of the law lies in its DNA - its inability to drive down costs making the law unsustainable and unaffordable," Hatch said. "Today, we offer a bold bicameral plan that fully repeals and replaces the healthcare law with reforms that empower patients - not Washington. We agree we can't return to the status quo of the pre-Obamacare world, so we equip patients with tools that will drive down costs while also ensuring those with pre-existing conditions and the young are protected. Our plan allows patients to make healthcare decisions for themselves - without a maze of mandates, fines, and taxes. This plan is achievable, and above all, fiscally sustainable. And, unlike the passage of Obamacare, which was done in secret, we welcome input from the American people as we move this plan forward."
"Five years ago, America needed health reform. What we got was a law that has divided the country and hurt too many of the families that reform could have helped. Now, when I ask folks in Michigan what they're looking for in health reform, the answer is simple: they want us to roll up our sleeves and get to work, and that is what we have been doing for months, years even. They want real ideas on the table so we can have an honest debate," said Upton. "The health care law has already changed how so many Americans access care, and the possibility of even more disruption lies ahead. Just as I offered the Keep Your Health Plan Act to give Americans more affordable choices, I am pleased to join my colleagues in the Senate to offer the Patient CARE Act to create even more options and flexibility. Republicans have always had positive ideas for how to strengthen our health care system by protecting patients with preexisting conditions, and empowering Americans with more affordable health care choices and transparency. With the Patient CARE Act, we're presenting these ideas to the American people and offering a path to the health coverage and care they want and need."
Following today's release of the plan, the three lawmakers look forward to working with their Senate and House colleagues, states, and experts across the health care community to further refine and improve this blueprint with the goal of replacing Obamacare with common-sense reforms that lower health care costs and empower Americans in their health care choices and decisions.
The Patient CARE Act provides a legislative roadmap to repeal the President's health care law known as Obamacare and replace the law with common-sense measures that would:
Establish sustainable, patient-focused reforms:
Adopt common-sense consumer protections;Create a new protection to help Americans with pre-existing conditions;Empower small businesses and individuals with purchasing power;Empower states with more tools to help provide coverage while reducing costs; andStrengthen consumer directed health care and allow Americans to buy coverage across state lines.
Modernize Medicaid to provide better coverage and care to patients:
Transition to capped allotment to provide states with predictable funding and flexibility.
Reduce defensive medicine and rein in frivolous lawsuits:
Medical Malpractice reforms.
Increase health care price transparency to empower consumers and patients:
Require basic health care transparency to inform and empower patients.
Reduce distortions in the tax code that drive up health care costs:
Cap the exclusion of an employee's employer-provided health coverage.
Empower Small Businesses and Individuals with Purchasing Power:
Targeted tax credit to help buy health care.
Re: Political Thread: Closing Guantanamo?
Sorry, but our schools are falling apart and our infrastructure is crumbling. I don't understand why we give foreign aid to anyone, regardless if they are our "Ali" or ally.
We essentially have a welfare state that you clearly have no issues supporting...but if we support the poor in our own country, you and your buddies are up in arms claiming these bums need to learn to be self sufficient.
So we get nothing is what you saying?
Sorry, but our schools are falling apart and our infrastructure is crumbling. I don't understand why we give foreign aid to anyone, regardless if they are our "Ali" or ally.
We essentially have a welfare state that you clearly have no issues supporting...but if we support the poor in our own country, you and your buddies are up in arms claiming these bums need to learn to be self sufficient.
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BTW...economy keeps looking better each day.
Thanks Obama.
BTW...economy keeps looking better each day.
Thanks Obama.
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Finally something me and Albany can agree on. I don't know why we give foreign aid to anyone at this point. We're stealing money from the future generations of America so we can give it to assholes all around the world.
If I had Obama's power as dictator, I would immediately make all foreign aid zero. Then I would let you reapply to get aid. Previous amounts paid would have no bearing on the aid determination.
Finally something me and Albany can agree on. I don't know why we give foreign aid to anyone at this point. We're stealing money from the future generations of America so we can give it to assholes all around the world.
If I had Obama's power as dictator, I would immediately make all foreign aid zero. Then I would let you reapply to get aid. Previous amounts paid would have no bearing on the aid determination.
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I don't know, man, this Ali looks pretty strong, too.
I don't know, man, this Ali looks pretty strong, too.
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Obama's college loan new repayment program comes with a record $22 billion shortfall: http://politi.co/1D5cnP7
Obama's college loan new repayment program comes with a record $22 billion shortfall: http://politi.co/1D5cnP7
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Sure am glad that Obama was wrong about the US not being able to drill its way to lower gas prices.
Thanks Private Sector! Those fams pocketing $1200 sure can use it since their wages have gone down every year Obama has been in office and every household cost has gone up multiples of % of GDP growth despite tons of debt added to mask the issues.
Sure am glad that Obama was wrong about the US not being able to drill its way to lower gas prices.
Thanks Private Sector! Those fams pocketing $1200 sure can use it since their wages have gone down every year Obama has been in office and every household cost has gone up multiples of % of GDP growth despite tons of debt added to mask the issues.
Obama really wow'ed them at the National Prayer Breakfast.
Obviously he wasn't a history major lol...
Obama compares the Crusades to ISIS
Obviously he wasn't a history major lol...
Obama compares the Crusades to ISIS
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BTW....Very deep and critical thinking about the matters at hand on your part: "You both just need to blow each other up and leave us the f' alone". Kudos....perhaps you have a future as a lead member of some Liberal Think Tank somewhere in San Fran or D.C.....or perhaps even a lead advisory role in the Obama Administration. With ideas like that, Obama would no longer be the smartest man in the room once you arrive -- and that's not hyperbole.
Obviously, reading comprehension with regard to my posts and an ability to grasp the prevailing facts escapes you, so not much point in continuing this discussion :-/
Again, let me get you up to speed: BIBI WAS INVITED to speak to Congress, and as it turns out, Netanyahu contacted the White House prior to accepting the invitation, but no response from Obama. In other words, another manufactured political 'crisis' from this administration who claimed to be 'surprised' about the invite (when they knew about it all along) in order to change the narrative and score political points.
BTW....Very deep and critical thinking about the matters at hand on your part: "You both just need to blow each other up and leave us the f' alone". Kudos....perhaps you have a future as a lead member of some Liberal Think Tank somewhere in San Fran or D.C.....or perhaps even a lead advisory role in the Obama Administration. With ideas like that, Obama would no longer be the smartest man in the room once you arrive -- and that's not hyperbole.
Obviously, reading comprehension with regard to my posts and an ability to grasp the prevailing facts escapes you, so not much point in continuing this discussion :-/
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Via Bloomberg, Eric C. Conn can probably account for a lot of them.
For all the progress, though, too many people still aren't working or even looking for a job. Among those at the prime working ages of 25 to 54, the labor-force participation rate stood at 81.1 percent in January, compared with an average of 83.4 percent in the 10 years before the recession. That's a difference of about 2.9 million people.[/I]
Via Bloomberg, Eric C. Conn can probably account for a lot of them.
For all the progress, though, too many people still aren't working or even looking for a job. Among those at the prime working ages of 25 to 54, the labor-force participation rate stood at 81.1 percent in January, compared with an average of 83.4 percent in the 10 years before the recession. That's a difference of about 2.9 million people.[/I]
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There isn't a single new organization here in the US or in Israel that is reporting the Obama administration knew anything about the invitation before it became public knowledge. In further, I think the douche Israeli ambassador had a meeting with Kerry the day before the meeting became public knowledge and the douche didn't even mention at that meeting with Kerry.
Good for Obama to publicly says he will not meet with Bibi. Good for the rest of the administration to say the same thing. Good for Biden to essentially say he's not going to attend the speech as well as many others. I'm hoping Obama invites Abbas to the White House the same time Bibi is in town.
Like I said buddy...move back to Israel, pick up a gun and fight your own wars. We are not the world police and aren't going to waste any US soldiers lives because Israel wants us to.
Not going to happen...didn't happen during the Bush years and not going to happen now or tomorrow.
Sorry, but you're clearly are wrong, and I'm honestly not surprised.
There isn't a single new organization here in the US or in Israel that is reporting the Obama administration knew anything about the invitation before it became public knowledge. In further, I think the douche Israeli ambassador had a meeting with Kerry the day before the meeting became public knowledge and the douche didn't even mention at that meeting with Kerry.
Good for Obama to publicly says he will not meet with Bibi. Good for the rest of the administration to say the same thing. Good for Biden to essentially say he's not going to attend the speech as well as many others. I'm hoping Obama invites Abbas to the White House the same time Bibi is in town.
Like I said buddy...move back to Israel, pick up a gun and fight your own wars. We are not the world police and aren't going to waste any US soldiers lives because Israel wants us to.
Not going to happen...didn't happen during the Bush years and not going to happen now or tomorrow.
Dr. Ben Carson for POTUS
Had the Dr. Rand Paul thread.......so now......Dr. Ben Carson. Thoughts?
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/official-dr-ben-carson-just-made-major-announcement/
Had the Dr. Rand Paul thread.......so now......Dr. Ben Carson. Thoughts?
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/official-dr-ben-carson-just-made-major-announcement/
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Certified nut job. Just running for the fame and speaking fees that go wit it.
Certified nut job. Just running for the fame and speaking fees that go wit it.
Re: Dr. Ben Carson for POTUS
I guess if being a straight talker labels you a nut....I am all in!
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You win...Congratulations.
There's a whole lot of BS posted on the political thread...but you my friend, your comment above is probably one of the most factually incorrect statements ever written.
You win...Congratulations.
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Thank me later for getting you up to speed. And since you brought up the subject of 'most factually incorrect statements ever written'....Oh, wait....nevermind....no need to 'spike the football', I suppose.
As you said, "I Win!"......Indeed
This post was edited on 2/6 3:38 PM by BlueManToo
NYT Correction to Bibi Invite Facts
AlbanyWildCat....Below is a link to the Liberal rag NYT, which should suffice as 'credible' for all left-leaners. Don't give up too quick when you see all the words and such in the article....HINT: scroll all the way to the end of the article and read the 'hidden' NYT correction.
Thank me later for getting you up to speed. And since you brought up the subject of 'most factually incorrect statements ever written'....Oh, wait....nevermind....no need to 'spike the football', I suppose.
As you said, "I Win!"......Indeed
This post was edited on 2/6 3:38 PM by BlueManToo
NYT Correction to Bibi Invite Facts
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Ben Carson thread disappeared, so I'll post this here:
Some of Ben's quotes/positions with my thoughts/rating. Interesting guy. Not sure he's my cup of tea, but don't know too much about him. I know he's a right-wing hero (at least after his ACA speech), but not all his positions are right-wing. He's definitely not libertarian. As always, the devil is in the details and broad policy statements are nigh useless, but let's have some fun.
On vaccines (10/10, yay!):
"Certain communicable diseases have been largely eradicated by immunization policies in this country and we should not allow those diseases to return by foregoing safe immunization programs, for philosophical, religious or other reasons when we have the means to eradicate them," he added.
On school funding (5/10, lots of pros and cons to this approach, but good luck enacting this; never happen):[/B]
"If you happen to be in an affluent community, there's a lot more money for the schools, better facilities, everything. All that does is perpetuate the situation," he told me. "Wouldn't it make more sense to put the money in a pot and redistribute it throughout the country so that public schools are equal, whether you're in a poor area or a wealthy area?"
On gay marriage (1/10, terrible slippery slope argument involving pedophiles and animals):[/B]
"Marriage is between a man and a woman. No group, be they gays, be they NAMBLA, be they people who believe in bestiality, it doesn't matter what they are. They don't get to change the definition." That led to an apology ("if I offended anyone") and "I certainly believe gay people should have all the rights anyone else has. I was trying to say that as far as marriage was concerned, it has traditionally been between a man and a woman and no one should be able to change that."
On evolution (4/10, science disagrees but I don't think it's very relevant for the presidency so who cares):[/B]
"I don't believe in evolution .... I simply don't have enough faith to believe that something as complex as our ability to rationalize, think, and plan, and have a moral sense of what's right and wrong, just appeared."
Health Insurance (5/10, interesting idea, devil is in the details; I think his later positions would put a tax on insurance profits to pay for catastrophic care? not sure):[/B]
"The entire concept of for profits for the insurance companies makes absolutely no sense. 'I deny that you need care and I will make more money.' This is totally ridiculous. The first thing we need to do is get rid of for-profit insurance companies. We have a lack of policies and we need to make the government responsible for catastrophic health care." In 1992 Carson wrote "The most natural question is, who will pay for catastrophic health care? The answer: The government-run catastrophic health care fund. Such a fund would be supported by a mandatory contribution of 10 to 15 percent of the profits of each health insurance company, including managed care operations.
On the Affordable Care Act (1/10, maybe he has a point but minus all the points for dumb/inflammatory language):[/B]
"the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery." He also assigned a quote to V.I. Lenin that is false. He stands by his statement. He not only stands by the comparison, he blames an ignorant society for not understanding it. "They need to think, why would someone say that?' It's not because he thinks slavery wasn't that bad; it's because he thinks Obamacare is that bad." Bonus (negative) points: American is now "very much like Nazi Germany" and "we live in a Gestapo age." No. At best unnecessary AM radio hyperbole, at worst dumb.
On pot (2/10, science says no, but bonus point for using "hedonistic activity"):
"Gateway drug" that leads to "hedonistic activity."
Euthanasia/End of Life Care (9/10, solid idea but have to see details b/c he mentions a national standard):
"why not allow them the dignity of dying in comfort, at home, with an attendant if necessary?" Not exactly euthanasia, but his other comments suggest not keeping the soon-to-die at the hospital racking up bills just to stay alive.
Affirmative action (9/10, he wants a whole person concept where race can be considered but is not automatic plus; seems like an honest answer to a thorny issue):
"A lot of people, including myself, have benefitted from affirmative action...and have, in fact, taken advantage of the opportunity it afforded them. And I think that is the best possible reason for advocating the continuation of some program that allows minorities to have opportunities and improved access to mainstream America.
I would love to hear people engage in a very different conversation--on how we might maintain the benefits of affirmative action but change it and even call it something else. We have to be smart, you see. What I would like to call it is compassionate action."
And I'm calling BS on this one (10/10 for laughs, 0/10 for believability):[/B]
"You couple that with the fact that many people feel hopeless, particularly a lot of elderly people who tell me, 'Until you started talking, I just wanted to die. Because I don't see America as the land of the free and the home of the brave anymore.'" [/B]
Ben Carson thread disappeared, so I'll post this here:
Some of Ben's quotes/positions with my thoughts/rating. Interesting guy. Not sure he's my cup of tea, but don't know too much about him. I know he's a right-wing hero (at least after his ACA speech), but not all his positions are right-wing. He's definitely not libertarian. As always, the devil is in the details and broad policy statements are nigh useless, but let's have some fun.
On vaccines (10/10, yay!):
"Certain communicable diseases have been largely eradicated by immunization policies in this country and we should not allow those diseases to return by foregoing safe immunization programs, for philosophical, religious or other reasons when we have the means to eradicate them," he added.
On school funding (5/10, lots of pros and cons to this approach, but good luck enacting this; never happen):[/B]
"If you happen to be in an affluent community, there's a lot more money for the schools, better facilities, everything. All that does is perpetuate the situation," he told me. "Wouldn't it make more sense to put the money in a pot and redistribute it throughout the country so that public schools are equal, whether you're in a poor area or a wealthy area?"
On gay marriage (1/10, terrible slippery slope argument involving pedophiles and animals):[/B]
"Marriage is between a man and a woman. No group, be they gays, be they NAMBLA, be they people who believe in bestiality, it doesn't matter what they are. They don't get to change the definition." That led to an apology ("if I offended anyone") and "I certainly believe gay people should have all the rights anyone else has. I was trying to say that as far as marriage was concerned, it has traditionally been between a man and a woman and no one should be able to change that."
On evolution (4/10, science disagrees but I don't think it's very relevant for the presidency so who cares):[/B]
"I don't believe in evolution .... I simply don't have enough faith to believe that something as complex as our ability to rationalize, think, and plan, and have a moral sense of what's right and wrong, just appeared."
Health Insurance (5/10, interesting idea, devil is in the details; I think his later positions would put a tax on insurance profits to pay for catastrophic care? not sure):[/B]
"The entire concept of for profits for the insurance companies makes absolutely no sense. 'I deny that you need care and I will make more money.' This is totally ridiculous. The first thing we need to do is get rid of for-profit insurance companies. We have a lack of policies and we need to make the government responsible for catastrophic health care." In 1992 Carson wrote "The most natural question is, who will pay for catastrophic health care? The answer: The government-run catastrophic health care fund. Such a fund would be supported by a mandatory contribution of 10 to 15 percent of the profits of each health insurance company, including managed care operations.
On the Affordable Care Act (1/10, maybe he has a point but minus all the points for dumb/inflammatory language):[/B]
"the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery." He also assigned a quote to V.I. Lenin that is false. He stands by his statement. He not only stands by the comparison, he blames an ignorant society for not understanding it. "They need to think, why would someone say that?' It's not because he thinks slavery wasn't that bad; it's because he thinks Obamacare is that bad." Bonus (negative) points: American is now "very much like Nazi Germany" and "we live in a Gestapo age." No. At best unnecessary AM radio hyperbole, at worst dumb.
On pot (2/10, science says no, but bonus point for using "hedonistic activity"):
"Gateway drug" that leads to "hedonistic activity."
Euthanasia/End of Life Care (9/10, solid idea but have to see details b/c he mentions a national standard):
"why not allow them the dignity of dying in comfort, at home, with an attendant if necessary?" Not exactly euthanasia, but his other comments suggest not keeping the soon-to-die at the hospital racking up bills just to stay alive.
Affirmative action (9/10, he wants a whole person concept where race can be considered but is not automatic plus; seems like an honest answer to a thorny issue):
"A lot of people, including myself, have benefitted from affirmative action...and have, in fact, taken advantage of the opportunity it afforded them. And I think that is the best possible reason for advocating the continuation of some program that allows minorities to have opportunities and improved access to mainstream America.
I would love to hear people engage in a very different conversation--on how we might maintain the benefits of affirmative action but change it and even call it something else. We have to be smart, you see. What I would like to call it is compassionate action."
And I'm calling BS on this one (10/10 for laughs, 0/10 for believability):[/B]
"You couple that with the fact that many people feel hopeless, particularly a lot of elderly people who tell me, 'Until you started talking, I just wanted to die. Because I don't see America as the land of the free and the home of the brave anymore.'" [/B]
Waterboard her until she admits she's a communist MooslumOriginally posted by P19978:
She's a peach alright...
If Obama was "unqualified" for the White House, then how the hell should Carson be labeled?
Carson's views on things are extremely common and are espoused by countless politicians and public figures. The only reason some people pay attention to him is because of his race and his fancy schmancy occupation (neither of which would make him a better executive).
Carson's views on things are extremely common and are espoused by countless politicians and public figures. The only reason some people pay attention to him is because of his race and his fancy schmancy occupation (neither of which would make him a better executive).
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Nobody has to buy gas either. People can walk, ride a bike, sail a ship, ride a rainbow-farting Lib unicorn........
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Every single piece of news that has come out since states Boehner was the one that let the White House know about the visit.
So like I said above, you're comment from above are nothing more than BS...your boy and his adminstration never contacted the White House.
And now we have confirmation that Biden will not be at the speech as well. I am pretty sure there is going to be many Democrats not attending as well.
At the end of the day, Obama will get his way. He has been getting his way for 6 years now and it's not going to stop because of Bibi. Though if Bibi does lose (which I am not sure), wouldn't be surprised to see a change of Israeli ambassadors as the first order of business for the new leadership.
Umm...even that rinky-dink correction doesn't support your line about "Netanyahu contacted the White House prior to accepting the invitation" as you said above. All is does is split hairs about when your boy accepted the invite - though everyone knows it was being cooked up weeks ahead between the douche Israeli ambassador and the Republican leadership.Originally posted by BlueManToo:
AlbanyWildCat....Below is a link to the Liberal rag NYT, which should suffice as 'credible' for all left-leaners. Don't give up too quick when you see all the words and such in the article....HINT: scroll all the way to the end of the article and read the 'hidden' NYT correction.
Thank me later for getting you up to speed. And since you brought up the subject of 'most factually incorrect statements ever written'....Oh, wait....nevermind....no need to 'spike the football', I suppose.
As you said, "I Win!"......Indeed
This post was edited on 2/6 3:38 PM by BlueManToo
Every single piece of news that has come out since states Boehner was the one that let the White House know about the visit.
So like I said above, you're comment from above are nothing more than BS...your boy and his adminstration never contacted the White House.
And now we have confirmation that Biden will not be at the speech as well. I am pretty sure there is going to be many Democrats not attending as well.
At the end of the day, Obama will get his way. He has been getting his way for 6 years now and it's not going to stop because of Bibi. Though if Bibi does lose (which I am not sure), wouldn't be surprised to see a change of Israeli ambassadors as the first order of business for the new leadership.
Re: Political Thread: Closing Guantanamo?
Albany....I will concede I made an error in stating that Bibi contacted the White House. I did see it stated that way in one of the many articles I have read on the matter, and when I went back to check the source to respond, it would not pass muster as an 'unbiased source' (The Conservative Treehouse), which I freely admit. If that's your major point of contention, then "You got me", and I'll admit my error without an excuse...just know that it was not intentional.
The main crux of the point I was trying to make is that the White House was not 'blindsided' by the Bibi invite, and the resulting outcry from the administration was a bit exaggerated.
I will also admit you're right on another point: Obama will 'get his way' on this and other issues, consequences to American prosperity and security be damned (just like Obamacare, amnesty, moral equivalancies between Christianity and Islam, open borders, releasing Gitmo terrorists to return to the fight, negotiating w/ terrorists for the release of AWOL military miscreant Bergdahl, etc., etc., etc.,).
This post was edited on 2/6 7:53 PM by BlueManToo
Albany....I will concede I made an error in stating that Bibi contacted the White House. I did see it stated that way in one of the many articles I have read on the matter, and when I went back to check the source to respond, it would not pass muster as an 'unbiased source' (The Conservative Treehouse), which I freely admit. If that's your major point of contention, then "You got me", and I'll admit my error without an excuse...just know that it was not intentional.
The main crux of the point I was trying to make is that the White House was not 'blindsided' by the Bibi invite, and the resulting outcry from the administration was a bit exaggerated.
I will also admit you're right on another point: Obama will 'get his way' on this and other issues, consequences to American prosperity and security be damned (just like Obamacare, amnesty, moral equivalancies between Christianity and Islam, open borders, releasing Gitmo terrorists to return to the fight, negotiating w/ terrorists for the release of AWOL military miscreant Bergdahl, etc., etc., etc.,).
This post was edited on 2/6 7:53 PM by BlueManToo
Re: Political Thread: Closing Guantanamo?
YES! An emoticon of approval from Willy!!! I've just won the Internet for the day, LOL!
Hard for anyone to not like rainbow-farting unicorns, though
Originally posted by Willy4UK:
YES! An emoticon of approval from Willy!!! I've just won the Internet for the day, LOL!
Hard for anyone to not like rainbow-farting unicorns, though
Re: Political Thread: Closing Guantanamo?
Obama was the most liberal congressman and now he is the most liberal president.
The cold war continues in Ukraine, and other similar places, as you perfectly know.
Obama's foreign policy is a flat mess and everybody knows it.
I think he favors Islamic countries over Israel and that is proven by his recent actions and words.
He is hands down the worst president we have ever had and all enemies dont fear or respect him.
We do lease it, but our country can cancel the lease if they desire. And Hussein desires. Im not clear if Congress has any say, but Obama acts unconstitutionally any way. So right after he says he cant do it, he probably will, even if its illegal.
Obama was the most liberal congressman and now he is the most liberal president.
The cold war continues in Ukraine, and other similar places, as you perfectly know.
Obama's foreign policy is a flat mess and everybody knows it.
I think he favors Islamic countries over Israel and that is proven by his recent actions and words.
He is hands down the worst president we have ever had and all enemies dont fear or respect him.
Re: Political Thread: Closing Guantanamo?
The Hussein gets in there and screws their country big time over and over, doesnt respect their PM and seems to buddy
up more with the Arabs that vow to destroy Israel.
He almost seems Islamic. Almost an Islamic sympathizer. Maybe ?Muslim?
This post was edited on 2/7 7:08 AM by ukfit
If you are liberal and progressive, you would welcome the devil himself if it would win an election for your Democrat.
The Hussein gets in there and screws their country big time over and over, doesnt respect their PM and seems to buddy
up more with the Arabs that vow to destroy Israel.
He almost seems Islamic. Almost an Islamic sympathizer. Maybe ?Muslim?
This post was edited on 2/7 7:08 AM by ukfit
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Hurray for Jordan. King Abdullah has NERVE!
Do you think he is worried about COLLATERAL DAMAGE?
NOT!
The only thing ISIS understands is brute force.
The only people over there that understands they dont unterstand anything except brute force is Israel and Jordan and Saudia Arabia.
Go get em Jordan!
This post was edited on 2/7 7:15 AM by ukfit
Hurray for Jordan. King Abdullah has NERVE!
Do you think he is worried about COLLATERAL DAMAGE?
NOT!
The only thing ISIS understands is brute force.
The only people over there that understands they dont unterstand anything except brute force is Israel and Jordan and Saudia Arabia.
Go get em Jordan!
This post was edited on 2/7 7:15 AM by ukfit
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