Pilgrim update
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I think we're already there. I'm serious in saying I'd stop recruiting high school kids. They suck for the most part and have these insane posses undermining the coach. I'd hit the portal for kids like Nowell from Kstate. Crawford and those guys from SDSU. But then again I don't trust Cal to properly assemble a team and coach them, these days. I don't think it matters who Cal has on a team.
None of it matters. I don't want any of these kids back except Reeves. They were all soft and got punked at every turn. Start all over with a new roster. And I wish a new coach.
There are many other pro options than the NBA. My neighbor, Mac McClung has done well in the G league and an occasional short stint in the NBA. He said he has several options overseas but wants to continue trying to make it in the NBA.
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Cal takes kids that are hell bent on getting to the draft, because that's what Cal is looking for.
It’s never been about building rosters and winning titles at UK, it's always been fulfilling Cal's need to be a part of the NBA draft. He craves draft night and that one night is more important to him than UK basketball.
You would not prioritize the NBA draft if winning games and titles at UK was your goal.
While I agree with that, and I'm done with Cal.
To play devil's advocate, some people just hellbent on doing what they want. And are also stupid.
Miserable in life because we don't like seeing our program run like it's a farm system?
We're miserable because we're discussing the FACT that UK pays a guy 9 million a year to keep UK on top, but he chooses to use the stage to prioritize the NBA draft?
I mean, you can leave, or at least not click on this thread. We don't have to share your opinions, this is a message board. Deal with it.
After seeing the teams in the final four, I find myself resentful over the crap we have for a roster. Lol
I don't think he would be near those numbers because Justin Edwards is going to get the bulk of the minutes at the 3. Livingston would be his back-up.
It’s fine, I'd rather see Adou Thiero get those minutes anyway.
It's the coaches that build the culture and the atmosphere of the program. Cal created a one-and-done culture and he recruits to it, so the players feed off the culture (if they don't already have that attitude) and fully buy into it. Why wouldn't they, it benefits them and UK gets nothing out of it.
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In my dream works scenario, cal was actually smart and played Livingston at the four and Edwards at the 3 and had shooting but that’s a dream world scenario would probably never happen
All you have to do is look at the teams that get to the FF every year to find those 20-45th ranked players as Juniors and seniors.
my goodness…smh.
He is completely unaware of his people feel on here
I’ve said many times that Cal’s biggest shortcoming has always been his inability or unwillingness to re-recruit the kids who are already on his bench. If Kentucky gets another year with some of these kids who thought they were first rounders who knows what could have happened. I mean, I believe we would have had a title in his first year if he had just attempted to keep Jodie Meeks around.
We will all feel a lot better if we just meet back up in November and try to ignore everything else until then, when we can REALLY be disappointed.
I prefer meeting up in September at Kroger field. Looking forward to football season.
I understand where you are coming from but I look forward to a lot of things beside basketball. Glad when we win but move on quickly when we lose.
My issue with your last statement is that we get a disproportionate amount of players with that mindset:
Orton
Dodson
Harrow
Teague
Goodwin
Dakari
Matthews
Wynyard
Gabriel
Vanderbilt
Juzang
Whitney
Lamb
Baker
Green
Harrison
Harrison
Lee
Diallo
Humphries
Briscoe
Hagans
Skal
Montgomery
Johnson
Ty Ty
Fletcher
Boston
Brooks
Hopkins
Livingston
"Getting out of there as quickly as possible" is built into the type of player Cal recruits, regardless of whether they're ready to leave or not.
I mean, you mention someone like Juzang, and half our fans lose their minds, ready to defend him with statements like "It just didn't work out" or "they were at their peak point of potential"; as if staying here for three or four years and battling through adversity and improving draft stock is now considered absurd within our basketball culture.
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Didn’t know Livingston was with Klutch. Makes sense.
Cal makes tacit promises to recruits like Livingston - we will play you at the 3 - in order to keep Klutch happy and get players in the future. It’s hard to go back on that even when it’s obvious he should not be playing the 3.
Problem is, when they aren’t very good, it makes the entire relationship sour. Why would they keep sending them to us if we aren’t bolstering their status? Cal is too incompetent this point to elevate them, which is why we’re getting the leftovers of the one and done crowd instead of the cream of the crop.
Cal doesn’t ****ing care about draft picks, generational poverty, or the NBA. He cares about the under the table money from Klutch and his relationship with an organization that is going to siphon 15% of most
NBA contacts for the next 20 years.
Cal makes tacit promises to recruits like Livingston - we will play you at the 3 - in order to keep Klutch happy and get players in the future. It’s hard to go back on that even when it’s obvious he should not be playing the 3.
Problem is, when they aren’t very good, it makes the entire relationship sour. Why would they keep sending them to us if we aren’t bolstering their status? Cal is too incompetent this point to elevate them, which is why we’re getting the leftovers of the one and done crowd instead of the cream of the crop.
Cal doesn’t ****ing care about draft picks, generational poverty, or the NBA. He cares about the under the table money from Klutch and his relationship with an organization that is going to siphon 15% of most
NBA contacts for the next 20 years.
Delusion is killing us, both from Cal and the guys he attracts now. Livingston is the poster child of the kind of guys you avoid if you want to build a contender. It was obvious from his tapes showing his shooting/dribbling as weak and his comments of wanting to play the "2 or 3" as well as his Klutch relationship that the upside of taking this guy was extremely limited. Some get upset when people say Cal doesn't care but these egregious things point to incompetence or him caring about things other than building a contender.
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It is Cals fault unless he tells him it is not in his best interest to declare as well as bring in other experts to back his conclusion. If he goes after that then it is not Cals fault.
True, but being at UK, he wouldn't be the first. They think/believe, regardless of how they play, they are NBA-bound after one year.
Exactly
Once a decent but not elite player starts wjth I’m going to get to the league as quick as I can…you just move off of him to the next. It isn’t rocket science
Uh, no, you said "Matt". As his neighbor, you should know his name is Mac, but you should also know that he already is playing in the NBA. He plays for the sixers and he won the NBA dunk contest, you don't get to compete in that if you aren't actually playing in the NBA.
Y'all must be really close.
I agree, but he has shown us time and time again that he is happiest when kids are getting drafted, that’s his passion and that’s why UK is one-and-done-U. He created a culture to satisfy his passion.
I see no other coach/school that talks about players first and pushing players towards the next level. Duke doesn’t even do that, they at least try to retain non-NBA kids.
Hickman was committed here then Tyty committed and he bailed to back up nemhard. Made no sense and now he's just finished his second season and is no closer to the NBA. He could have been the starter here. These kids make the dumbest decisions.
He is not in the NBA. He plays in the G league. Shows how incompetent you are as usual.
I was a proponent of Hickman. He was shifty, a good passer and decent shooter. And most importantly, I believed he would be a multi-year player and be ok with playing in college until he was at least projected as a draft pick. But there are no guarantees that players will develop into stars. And Hickman has not yet developed into the PG I thought he could be. He seems to lack confidence and is not aggressive enough. I still think he has the physical tools to be a really good college PG, but physical tools alone are not enough.
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