Stop The Ignorance About Drew
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So we are so entitled that we get to dictate to the coach we want that he must come here, because we are KENTUCKY DAMMIT!
It is Kentucky, and Drew has done pretty much exactly what Self has done the last 5 years.
You don’t have to like the potential hire, but to act like Drew isn’t qualified to take over a major program just shows your ignorance.
Says the guy who only posts to complain about other posters. Classic spamburger - Bravo
Drew had a pretty deep hole to dig out of for the first few years. Since the 2007-2008 season he has averaged 10 losses per year. Another former UK coach also averaged 10 losses per year before coming here - Rick Pitino.
Rick's winning % before UK was 63%. At UK it was 81%. Kentucky effect?
Not comparing Drew to Pitino. Just saying, you can't easily project how coach will here based on what they did before.
If it is Drew, he has my support, there are a whole lot of requirements to be met to coach at Kentucky. I'm sure he has been vetted carefully from a coaching position and his vision for the program. I don't think Drew would ever feel like he's bigger than the program, he's already proven to be loyal and a winner.
That's a huge plus not enough people talk about.
I never said he wasn't qualified. Don't put words in my mouth, ever.
I said I don't like the hire.
Who on God's Green Earth said that? You guys love just putting words in people's mouths that they didn't say in order to be dramatic and fit your narrative.
I never, ever, said we could dictate a coach to say yes.
But settling for a guy just because you know he'll say yes quickly, instead of truly running a national search and finding the BEST candidate, is ridiculous.
If he’s fully qualified to be our coach (and there probably aren’t any that are), then how are we settling, especially if we can’t get Hurley?
It's because Waco is unpleasant even for viruses. That's why covid helped them and hurt everybody else.
Because there could be a number of candidates that I would ALSO consider to be "qualified" on paper but it doesn't mean I want them here.
And there are also plenty of candidates in my opinion that are also qualified who would be a BETTER FIT than Drew and have way more potential.
Just because someone is maybe qualified on paper, and we think they'd say yes, doesn't mean we should just JUMP to offer them- I think there are some other candidates who would ALSO say yes who are better fits and would be better in the long run than a guy who has made 3 Elite Eights in 20 seasons.
And I’d be willing to bet Mitch/someone involved with UK probably reached out to judge their interest. Can’t force Hurley to come here, and while I think Donovan would be a great coach, he brings his own concerns with his lack of recruiting ties, experience with the NIL/transfer portal, and his desire to go out and recruit in general.
Beyond that, not many coaches UK could get that have a decidedly better resume than Drew.
This thread captures everything an outsider would want / need to know about the Kentucky basketball fanbase, overall.
Makes me laugh and somewhat sad at the same time.
I think Scott Drew does VERY well at UK. That's my opinion.
I also think many, many fans didn't actually live through or pay attention to the Dotson/Dennehy/Bliss events and what Drew has actually done. It's insane. But either way, when Scott Drew is who you're "settling for" as a basketball coach, you're truly spoiled and probably don't realize it.
Makes me laugh and somewhat sad at the same time.
I think Scott Drew does VERY well at UK. That's my opinion.
I also think many, many fans didn't actually live through or pay attention to the Dotson/Dennehy/Bliss events and what Drew has actually done. It's insane. But either way, when Scott Drew is who you're "settling for" as a basketball coach, you're truly spoiled and probably don't realize it.
U got someone better , he has more success than anyone we have ever hired
Well lets examine Dan Hurley BEFORE he won the 12 games in a row and back to back titles. His first 3 years at UCONN he :
Had ONE conference tournament win, it was against,,,,,,, Powerhouse DePaul.
He was 0-2 in the Big Dance. I bring this up because while yes he did win back to back, just 2 short years ago, he was very average and even worse in tournaments before he had the success. Give Drew (if he is actually the new coach) a chance. At UK he can be a very winning coach.
You want more ? Hurley's first 4 years at UCONN
16-17 - AAC - No tournament bid
19-12 - AAC - No tournament bid
15-8 - Big East - Bounced 1st round in NCAA
23-10 - Big East - Bounced 1st round in NCAA
So lets not sit here and pretend Hurley was so much more successful than Drew. 3 10 loss or more season and the 15-8 year if was a full season would have been 4/4 dd loss seasons. 2 times didn't even make the NCAA tournament and the other two times, got bounced in the first round. Not to mention he only won ONE Big East tournament game against Depaul.
Had ONE conference tournament win, it was against,,,,,,, Powerhouse DePaul.
He was 0-2 in the Big Dance. I bring this up because while yes he did win back to back, just 2 short years ago, he was very average and even worse in tournaments before he had the success. Give Drew (if he is actually the new coach) a chance. At UK he can be a very winning coach.
You want more ? Hurley's first 4 years at UCONN
16-17 - AAC - No tournament bid
19-12 - AAC - No tournament bid
15-8 - Big East - Bounced 1st round in NCAA
23-10 - Big East - Bounced 1st round in NCAA
So lets not sit here and pretend Hurley was so much more successful than Drew. 3 10 loss or more season and the 15-8 year if was a full season would have been 4/4 dd loss seasons. 2 times didn't even make the NCAA tournament and the other two times, got bounced in the first round. Not to mention he only won ONE Big East tournament game against Depaul.
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His last 8 Years is full of double digit losses and early outs except the COVID year when him and Barney really hit it off and became close. Yes this would be a nepotism hire because there are 5 coaches in front of him that Barney won’t contact
Some guys might not have the same "paper" resume due to age/longevity, but that (to me) doesn't mean they are a worse candidate.
Rumor was we didn't hire Donovan in 97 because of that, we hired Tubby instead who had a bit more on his resume...well Billy D then goes to 3 final fours and wins two national titles in the next 10 years (98-07).
I don't care so much about resume as I do about fit, and about potential. Guys like Tommy Lloyd, Nate Oats (did we even try with him? Doesn't sound like it), heck even Bruce Pearl or Chris Beard would probably excite me more about the future than Scott Drew.
There are some real morons spewing their hate and vitriol about Scott Drew on this board right now. One posted he hoped Drew's plane would crash. Thankfully he was called out by several calmer, more level headed fans. And hopefully that turd isn't even a real UK fan but, a Tard of Loosier fan here to troll.
But, if Hurley isn't a realistic prospect...he may actually be happy at UConn...and you can't wait around 2.5 weeks on Donovan...then who do you geniuses call?
I mean, I knew we had some head cases in this fanbase but, damn, they are coming out of the 'effing woodwork today!
But, if Hurley isn't a realistic prospect...he may actually be happy at UConn...and you can't wait around 2.5 weeks on Donovan...then who do you geniuses call?
I mean, I knew we had some head cases in this fanbase but, damn, they are coming out of the 'effing woodwork today!
I don’t post here often because I don’t care what you write. There’s gonna be some smart ass have some kind of negative remark about it.
You don't care about resume as much as fit? What does that even mean? What exact qualities make a person "fit" for being the coach at UK if not their record/resume?
Whatever they are, anyone could make a case against anyone you mentioned. Just like you can make a case against Drew.
There is no perfect candidate. At the moment, the closest MIGHT be Hurley, but he may never win a championship again and his success has been all very recent.
Agree. I know that this board had some degree of bad element to it, but this coaching search has really demonstrated what a large portion falls into the knuckle-dragger, immature, jerk, unintelligent categories. Some of these people must have the attention span and emotional intelligence of gnats. It's all knee jerk reactions and poorly thought out responses or posts.
It's tough to make a rational argument that the three best possible hires out there aren't Drew, Hurley and Donovan. And if Wright or Oats are actually interested then there are 5. Any of those 5 are home run hires. If we get one, it will be a wildly successful move.
There is a step down to other candidates behind that. They include guys like Pearl, Miller, Shaka, Lloyd, Beard, etc. Even those guys are still big improvements over what we had.
If it's any of those listed, everyone should get on board and support them and give them a chance to at least fail.
Pitino did not have the best resume on paper when we hired him. That is just a FACT. But he was the best FIT.
Don't really know what is so confusing to you about that. I literally explained it in my post as well with the example of Billy D vs. Tubby in 97.
Truly surprised that you don't get that concept.
Just because a guy has a better resume on paper, doesn't mean he is the right hire for the job.
The Raiders hired Jon Gruden a few years ago- the man had won a Super Bowl!! Wow what a great hire!! How'd that work out? Jags hired Urban Meyer- what a resume he had!! Awful fit for the job.
And you are spot on- anyone can make an argument/case for or against anyone else. It's called having an OPINION which so many on here seem to think shouldn't be allowed, we should just all fall in line because Mitch Barnhart wants to hire his friend.
My opinion is that I like other candidates more, who also have decent resumes, and would prefer to not hire Scott Drew.
Apologies if that isn't something that you agree with.
If Drew is the hire, I will support him blindly and live/die by every game like I always have- but that is my opinion right now.
It's not just that they have their favorite it's the pure blind hate they have for a guy they've probably never even heard speak! You can be opposed to a guy without the condescension and hate. I despised Calipari but, I would NEVER wish for him to die in a plane crash! Some of these posts are just unhinged and waaaay out there. Thankfully the "ignore" option exists.
And they are making these post, and we haven't even named the coach yet. Then you have people wanting Mitch to leave town / get fired for a hire he hasn't even made. LOL, talk about dumb, irrational, non factual based responses, these idiots have them. The best is "It is Drew, Mitch wants to hire his friend" OK, lets suppose that is true (it is not), do they really believe Mitch would risk his job (if this hire goes wrong, he will be held accountable), to simply hire his friend even if he has no merit to earn the job ? Please, think before posting.
How old are you people? You keep telling others they're stupid and irrational, "brainfart hasn't even hired him yet". Really!? Do you remember the safe hire that was Billy G? How about Joker? You really think we trust mitch to make the correct decision? Some people are stupid, but it isn't us.
Who are the 2 B12 coaches you would rather hire, then assuming Self isn't a possibility.
I was getting cold on Drew... but I'm warming up. I'd take Donavan first. Hurley... honestly, I'm not sure he'd be here very long. What I know about the two men... as men... I like Drew better. I'm not even religious, so it's not that. I just think Drew would be a program-first guy, and that's what we've been wanting. I'd say give him a shot if Donovan turns it down.
I’m having trouble remembering where I said fired. Can you please highlight it? Thanks in advance
Not sure how sarcastic you are being or not being, but I said there may not be a line of potential candidates wanting to come here.
Tradition and loyalty to a team just ain't what it once was.
Why would I leave 6 titles in 25 years?
