It's interesting that serial killers may find victims in the age of social media unlike any way they've done before.
Moscow Murders
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True, they often prefer the machete, hacking the victim's limbs off one at a time.
Just seems like that someone in a fit of rage would have left more evidence behind or more likely to make a mistake.
No doubt he did and this may eventually be his undoing. If the FBI is involved, their forensic analysis resources will come to bear. It takes time but forensics always gets its man.
I feel like If there had been a scenario where the girls (one or both) had publicly rebuffed some stalker obsessive type that would’ve come out already. There’d be someone that knew about it bc they saw it happen or were told about it later in conversation. I’ve read where people think there was someone they referred to as a stalker but sometimes that description can get tossed around flippantly when it’s college age kids. But If some guy was led on and then embarrassed so bad for em to then go significant amount of time with a grudge/ planning to kill. That would almost certainly been discussed among possible witnesses or friends/acquaintances told about it after. So if no one comes forward with a credible story like that, it’s either a severely mentally ill social media type looking for a fantasy kill or a serial killer that didn’t give a damn about their m.o bc they needed to get their kicks. Richard Ramirez was so evil he’d write satanic symbols in blood and I’m sure take trophies but he would rape/murder and torture victims indiscriminately. Some old some young. Some of these sick fu**s only have evil in their heart as their MO.
I'm going with a serial killer or stalker they rebuffed at some point.
If its a serial killer I'm sure the police and FBI are looking into these types of things but I wonder if there are any other murders that are similar to this that are unsolved. If its a serial killer its doesn't seem like this is their first kill. I feel like a first kill would be a lot more messy. With the increased likelihood of mistakes.
If its a person they rebuked at some point its someone with a serial killer type mind. It's someone who studied them and learned all their habits. Someone with a serious grudge. I can possibly see a scenario where someone from social media develops a fascination with them. Finds where they are at and gets turned away by them. Decides if they can't have them then no one can. I feel like if it's that then this person will surface again at some point with a new fascination. Hopefully stopped before they murder again.
The locked doors really baffle me. Someone took time to think of that and then do it. To me that's not a heat of the moment action. That's premeditated. Strange case indeed.
If its a serial killer I'm sure the police and FBI are looking into these types of things but I wonder if there are any other murders that are similar to this that are unsolved. If its a serial killer its doesn't seem like this is their first kill. I feel like a first kill would be a lot more messy. With the increased likelihood of mistakes.
If its a person they rebuked at some point its someone with a serial killer type mind. It's someone who studied them and learned all their habits. Someone with a serious grudge. I can possibly see a scenario where someone from social media develops a fascination with them. Finds where they are at and gets turned away by them. Decides if they can't have them then no one can. I feel like if it's that then this person will surface again at some point with a new fascination. Hopefully stopped before they murder again.
The locked doors really baffle me. Someone took time to think of that and then do it. To me that's not a heat of the moment action. That's premeditated. Strange case indeed.
The doors being locked does scream a premeditated detail, but this guy was able to carry out 4 murders and the two room mates on the first level never were disturbed. So its possible the killer had experienced doors with those type of locks before especially if they’re common in that region or among college dwellings/apartments.
And if it was a serial killer there’s always the most disturbing possibility the psycho is a high IQ repeat offender, that is able to improvise on the go, while feeling no remorse..it’s disgusting to describe someone that cruel and evil as being “savvy” but that might be how they view their own self. Hope they find the bastard and let the parents have him. If the police had an air tight case with dna it’d be great to let the maniac believe he’d get the court room media frenzy and the crazy fanfare that comes with that crap, just to be handed over to the people that would deliver true Justice.
And if it was a serial killer there’s always the most disturbing possibility the psycho is a high IQ repeat offender, that is able to improvise on the go, while feeling no remorse..it’s disgusting to describe someone that cruel and evil as being “savvy” but that might be how they view their own self. Hope they find the bastard and let the parents have him. If the police had an air tight case with dna it’d be great to let the maniac believe he’d get the court room media frenzy and the crazy fanfare that comes with that crap, just to be handed over to the people that would deliver true Justice.
Psychopaths lack the vital characteristic of empathy. They feel absolutely no remorse for their actions.
They are also usually very narcissistic. They view themselves as being much smarter than everyone else and are usually shocked when they’re caught.
Ted Bundy said as much. He said when he killed those girls he was in a rage that's why he went in there with a club... to beat some girls to death, but even then he left bite marks on one of the victims as Ted had to do Ted stuff. It was a complete departure from his MO which initially caused the police to rule him out as a possible suspect. 3 weeks later Bundy returned to form when he kidnapped and killed a 12 yo girl. So, again, if the Moscow Murders have something like bite marks or some other classic signature of a serial killer then that changes everything.
Can you imagine being those surviving roommates knowing as you slept a killer tried your door? Hands quietly turning the knob as you slept? That's some serious lifetime nightmare stuff right there.
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That's good stuff, thanks for posting. Gives me high confidence that it will be a local person or persons in that community that is eventually charged. Not buying they are not releasing the 911 call because they don't want to taint the jury pool, they are not releasing that call because it will be evidence in the eventual prosecution.
Investigating officers wanted to arrest John Ramsey in the Jon Benet case on the spot, prosecutors office wouldn't let them. You can have officers certain of who did the crime and yet have shaky prosecutors afraid they'll get their rears handed to them by an expensive defense attorney like John Ramsey would have surely gotten. If they want to arrest let's say a local kid from the community then the prosecutor's office would want an iron clad case because if they swing and miss in that small of community at a local kid it will never be forgotten. They'd probably have to move.
Only thing that bothers me about my local theory is a lack of anyone turning up with wounds on their hands. Very hard to kill 4 people viciously with a knife and not injure your hands in the process.
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Looks like it is about to get real. Press conference later today. College student? Mid-20s? Arrested in Scranton? That's Ryan Howard from The Office all the way.
MOSCOW, Idaho – Authorities have a suspect in custody in the Nov. 13 murders of four University of Idaho students, a law enforcement source told Fox News Digital.
A man in his mid 20s was taken into custody by local police and the FBI at 3 a.m. in Scranton, Pennsylvania, the law enforcement source said.
The suspect is a college student but does not attend the University of Idaho, the source added. He appeared in court this morning.
MOSCOW, Idaho – Authorities have a suspect in custody in the Nov. 13 murders of four University of Idaho students, a law enforcement source told Fox News Digital.
A man in his mid 20s was taken into custody by local police and the FBI at 3 a.m. in Scranton, Pennsylvania, the law enforcement source said.
The suspect is a college student but does not attend the University of Idaho, the source added. He appeared in court this morning.
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From the Idaho Statesman:
And the Pocono Record in Monroe County, PA:
The reported age of the suspect is all over the place. He’s either, 20, 25 or 28 depending upon the source.
And the Pocono Record in Monroe County, PA:
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The reported age of the suspect is all over the place. He’s either, 20, 25 or 28 depending upon the source.
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Bryan Christopher Kohberger, 28, is the suspect.
Kohberger is facing extradition to Idaho on murder charges, the WPVI news station reports. Kohberger, an Albrightsville, Pennsylvania native, is a graduate student at Washington State University in Pullman, Washington, not far from Moscow. According to the WSU website, Kohberger is pursuing his Ph.D in criminal justice and criminology.
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Looks like a cartel member who hates loud noises to me.
Assuming these were his first kills. Crazy. Glad they got him.
The Ph. D in criminal justice and criminology would explain some of the nuances he used and how he escaped for so long. Wonder if he was in Pennsylvania awaiting a way to escape the country?
Initial reports are that he might have worked as a school police officer in Pennsylvania as recently as 2021, so maybe he's from there and returned there to lay low. It also appears that he may have followed the two blondes on Instagram.
A highly intelligent killer with criminology and law enforcement knowledge from out of the area who had a fixation on at least one of the girls on the top floor makes a lot of sense, imo.
When Kohberger was taken into custody, he "asked if anyone else was arrested." He then had a quiet, blank stare.
Uh oh.
Uh oh.
Good work by the FBI if this is indeed the guy. Hopefully enough evidence tying him to the crime.
I just see a blankness and considering the position he's in, that in itself is crazy.
His car was near the house on that night. I hope they have more evidence than that. I'm assuming they would have to.
Was anyone else arrested? Makes me think there may be a lot more to this story. May not be. He only lives 10 minutes away.
He better have been wearing a space suit if he doesn't want to leave any DNA.
With today's technology, instead of the almost impossible taks of leaving no trace I think the move is flooding the zone with evidence. If you're going to put the effort into premeditated murder, go donate blood somewhere and then break into said bloodbank and steal about 70 other samples. Then spread all of that at the crime scene. Hair is even easier, go to the dumpster from where you get your haircut and just toss that all over the place after the deed is done. Saliva would be harder to get, so it's probably best to wear a mask.
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