Better call the police and tell them to ask the neighbors. I’m sure they haven’t done that yet…
Moscow Murders
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If you can't trust a psychic on TikTok, who can you trust?
It wasn't a suggestion the police hadn't done that as canvassing the neighborhood and getting statements from the neighbors would have been done the 1st day.
We were discussing whether or not this was a local or a stranger/serial killer. My whole point is that this absolutely is a local person known to the victims not some serial killer passing through. I believe locking the rooms was similar to the shame exhibited by a killer covering the face of a loved one after they've killed them... a clear indicator of shame.
There are no signs of sexual assault. Nothing ritualistic. Nothing released that to me this is a serial killer. The whole purpose of this attack was to kill these people. Nothing taken. Doors locked behind. They wanted these kids dead. What motivates that? The personal history of the victims has to point at who wanted them dead be it somebody that snapped over the constant noise coming from the place or some other conflict like has emerged with this Professor. The history of the victims will point to the killer here.
I can’t see a neighbor who is mad at constant noise deciding to kill them when all is quiet. Maybe snap and come in guns a blazin’ during an actual party or something. Or snap after a confrontation.
It’s either the boyfriend or serial killer. But hard to fathom they don’t have dna/prints if it’s someone close to them like a boyfriend.
It’s either the boyfriend or serial killer. But hard to fathom they don’t have dna/prints if it’s someone close to them like a boyfriend.
They’d have to be a stone-cold psycho to kill people in that manner if it was a disgruntled neighbor.
I’d think people who would kill a neighbor over noise would have major anger issues and act on that *current* state of emotion, and not in some psycho serial killer manner.
I’d think people who would kill a neighbor over noise would have major anger issues and act on that *current* state of emotion, and not in some psycho serial killer manner.
Maybe you should post in a thread that doesn't talk about the case if it bothers you. So far you've done nothing but poop in the yard like somebody is walking you.
We're here to discuss the case you imbecile. What do you think the thread is for?
For sure. The noise complaint thing is a stretch but since they are so stingy with information all we can do is grasp at straws. The only thing I am sure of is that it will be local and not a serial killer unless they're hiding all the usual indicators of a serial killer from us. Which also is distinctly possible. I don't ever recall a case where so much information was withheld since the Jon Benet Ramsey case, and in that instance it was undoubtedly because the person that did it was rich and so they were wary.
Could we have a very rich suspect here as well? Who knows what these guys are up to. Maybe they're just incompetent like in the Ramsey case as well. The similarities to the Ramsey case are striking to me, though. Bumbling clueless police and a horrible crime. The quiet is covering up the incompetence.
This case interests me greatly but can we take a moment to acknowledge this absolute burn. "Poop in the yard like somebody is walking you" is a phrase I have never heard before but I love it deeply and I appreciate you for the joy you have given in me in just a few sentences. thank you
I think a more plausible reason for the killer locking the doors after his acts was to delay the discovery of his crimes. It’s easy to think that a psychopath could do this but it’s hard to imagine that a normal person could have a breakdown that would cause such horror and then go back to living his life as normal. He would give himself away by his actions.
The killer’s selection of a knife is intriguing. He apparently didn’t want a lot of noise that would draw attention. If he had used a gun or a bludgeoning weapon, there would have definitely been noise.
I still think it was a serial or spree killer. While a student or faculty member could be responsible and be a psychopath, it’s more likely someone who was passing through and saw an opportunity to act on his horrible urges.
The knife makes me think drifter. Drifter would have a knife. Manson family in Tate-La Bianca murders and Zodiac at Lake Berryessa, used knives.
The murders never happened. This is a setup for something much bigger to come. I mean the name of the town gave it away. Can’t believe more people aren’t seeing this.
I think what it means is war in Syria is coming.
I think what it means is war in Syria is coming.
A knife is also much more personal than a gun, indicating the killer really enjoyed what he was doing.
Killing four people will probably satisfy him for quite a while but at some point the need for the thrill will manifest and he will go on the hunt again.
For the serial killer/stranger contingent... what kind of serial killer just kills with no sexual or ritual in the crime, then locks the door? A serial killer wants the world to know what they did, not hide it behind a locked door. That is their masterwork. They are proud of it. They want it to be discovered.
If you want to delay the discovery of the bodies what kind of serial killer locks the doors but leaves two people in the house alive? You think an actual experienced killer thinks locking the door will actually buy time as why wouldn't they think someone has the key so why bother? How could they know that?
This is a crime of familiarity. Locking the door was consciousness of guilt. This will not be a stranger nor a serial killer. Look to the local motivation for this murder just like the Ramsey case. I fear the bumbling police fouled the crime scene, bungled the interviews, probably assumed it was a serial killer right off the bat, but then when the evidence pointed back to the house, just like the Ramsey case, they puckered up and decided to keep everything under tight wraps when getting information out there is what actually could solve this but they don't want to show to the world how incompetent they are.
If you want to delay the discovery of the bodies what kind of serial killer locks the doors but leaves two people in the house alive? You think an actual experienced killer thinks locking the door will actually buy time as why wouldn't they think someone has the key so why bother? How could they know that?
This is a crime of familiarity. Locking the door was consciousness of guilt. This will not be a stranger nor a serial killer. Look to the local motivation for this murder just like the Ramsey case. I fear the bumbling police fouled the crime scene, bungled the interviews, probably assumed it was a serial killer right off the bat, but then when the evidence pointed back to the house, just like the Ramsey case, they puckered up and decided to keep everything under tight wraps when getting information out there is what actually could solve this but they don't want to show to the world how incompetent they are.
The odds of someone being able to navigate the house, commit multiple murders, remain undetected before during and after without having significant familiarity with the people/house seems very very unlikely. Like hundreds of millions to one.
Or the killer stalked the young woman who was stabbed so many times (her name escapes me). His thrill was magnified by killing the other three.
Ted Bundy stalked some of his victims, especially if he took a great interest in them and if getting to them proved difficult.
I don’t follow any of this that closely but I was just thinking about an unfamiliar person walking into an unfamiliar house navigating around with such stealth and doing everything that was done it just seems unbelievable.
Drug Cartel end of story.
Too many signs of this was a professional job and very likely one of these kids was moving drugs. Read today one of the girls drives a Range Rover
Too many signs of this was a professional job and very likely one of these kids was moving drugs. Read today one of the girls drives a Range Rover
@Glenn's take any input on this?
Really? Do you leave witnesses? Is that a question?
That actually crossed my mind randomly while reading this thread. It would be a stretch for a Cartel operation to be anywhere in that vicinity but not impossible. Have no idea why they’d get involved with these college kids other than to recruit mules, but the fact he or they were able to kill 4 with a large knife and get away undetected makes me think it was a serial killer that stalked the house upon developing an interest in one of the girls..if not an ex then I don’t see an individual getting that worked up over a random angry encounter in public. But weirder things have happened.
Eh. Highly doubtful, imo.
Cartels employ former special operations soldiers and have resources that rival many nations. In the unlikely event that they wanted a co-ed in Moscow, Idaho dead over a drug debt, why on Earth would they take the risk of using a knife where a single mistake could leave DNA evidence or the culprit(s) getting picked up by a nosy local cop in a college town on the way out? Why not just use a suppressed weapon to take a shot from the trees behind the house?
That doesn't make any sense to me.
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Yeah this was personal. But, again, who the hell knows?
Always felt like there could be a chance that officer Ellis’ murder in Bardstown was a cartel hit.
Always felt like there could be a chance that officer Ellis’ murder in Bardstown was a cartel hit.
Apparently the doors of the two survivors were locked, maybe saving their lives from the madman.
Like all Serial Killers, Ted Bundy had a number of signatures to his killings. He would keep the bodies if he could so he could shampoo the hair and even put make-up on the dead body, he would decapitate some, and in almost all he would insert some object into the vagina and leave it there. In interviews Ted claimed excessive pornography and fantasy destroyed the line between reality and fantasy to him, which means half the Paddock are potential Serial Killers.
Serial Killers have signatures. Unless they're not releasing something then there is nothing to suggest it.
The motive was not sexual or ritualistic. The motive was somebody wanted these kids dead. Anger, jealousy, rage, and financial gain are the possible motivations for that kind of killing. All those suggest a person known and connected to the victims locally. Not a Serial Killer MO or a stranger MO.
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The whole "incel" thing is interesting. I need to study that as it flew under my radar and isn't something I've ever looked at very closely. A quick perusal looks like then tend to be mass murder type events where they kill themselves after they're done but the MO would be a good fit and it would also probably be motivated by social media interaction with the victim(s). Interesting. Thanks for bringing that up as I need to think about that some.
Bundy had a mix of serial killer characteristics. His rampage in the FSU sorority house certainly didn’t leave any of the signatures commonly ascribed to him.
One of his motivations to kill was rage, which overrides any signature habits. Bundy’s rage was always just under the surface and his intricately planned killings would placate it. However, sometimes he would just explode and tear women to pieces.
I think the killer of the four students also was experiencing rage. Local or not, there is a psychopathic killer on the loose who gets a tremendous thrill from killing people.
The cartel theory was interesting, but I'm going with a jilted psychopath from the bar or school. Someone who felt connected to one of the girls for a brief moment (maybe a returned smile, anything, ...) then was humiliated in front of others....
I have the same thought. Someone that saw the one chick on social media and felt connected then started following in town, prob got scoffed at by her. The other 3 were just innocent victims.
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