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I loved Jack as a player, but he has not been good with money. He has filed two bankruptcies. I recall one player saying that as Jack was driving to the ball park one day, he stopped and bought two expensive sports cars.
Remember Pedro Guerrero? The Dodgers were trying to make him a third baseman without success. The coaches had a sit down with him. They asked him what he was thinking when the pitcher threw the ball. He said, please don't hit the ball to me. They asked him what else he was thinking. He said, please don't hit the ball to Sax either. If you recall, Sax was a second baseman who was notorious for bad throws to first base.
Remember Pedro Guerrero? The Dodgers were trying to make him a third baseman without success. The coaches had a sit down with him. They asked him what he was thinking when the pitcher threw the ball. He said, please don't hit the ball to me. They asked him what else he was thinking. He said, please don't hit the ball to Sax either. If you recall, Sax was a second baseman who was notorious for bad throws to first base.
Throw in a Bob Horner reference as well. Whitey tried to recreate the same magic with different players once that era started to fade. Pendleton went to atl, van slyke to Pitt, Clark went out west I believe. Coleman got hurt. Ozzie was getting old.
I always enjoyed seeing that! But I confess, there were times when I was playing 1st base I would try to turn a double play and I ended up throwing the ball into left field so I understand the mental aspect of it. 🤣
The Redbirds with a much needed BEAT DOWN on the Rangers today!
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Pitcher with his mlb debut today goes 7 innings only one earned run and Pham goes 3 for 4 with 2 RBIs.
Lance Lynn going to the DL though.
Dunno but I had a real good feeling about Pham. He might be nuts and past his prime but I thought he could inject some excitement into the team. See if it last.
I had also been questioning overall why we were bringing Lynn back and Carpenter and now Pham but my theory is it brings that culture back to club house. Those first 2 have been thru some playoff wars. Came from that last era we had. I thinks it's changed the teams attitude and helping to reinstate that winning culture we had.
Yadi and pujols and waino gave this organization an edge about them for a decade and a half. We lost that in recent yrs
I had also been questioning overall why we were bringing Lynn back and Carpenter and now Pham but my theory is it brings that culture back to club house. Those first 2 have been thru some playoff wars. Came from that last era we had. I thinks it's changed the teams attitude and helping to reinstate that winning culture we had.
Yadi and pujols and waino gave this organization an edge about them for a decade and a half. We lost that in recent yrs
I do really like some of the younger players. Donovan can play anywhere, like the way he slaps the ball the other way. With the way he is playing, wasn't any real reason to keep Edman if we could get something for him.
I like to look at the projected stats on espn, right now if he keeps hitting the same as he has all year Burleson is on pace for 27 HRs and 95 RBIs. He has only struck out 49 times this year. Winn is doing great for a 22 year old.
This ownership seems content now with being mediocre and I just don't see them spending the money for a legitimate ace for the rotation. Also, Arenado and Goldschmidt don't even have combined 30 HRs or 90 RBIs and we have played 108 games. If they were hitting at all we would be leading the division.
I like to look at the projected stats on espn, right now if he keeps hitting the same as he has all year Burleson is on pace for 27 HRs and 95 RBIs. He has only struck out 49 times this year. Winn is doing great for a 22 year old.
This ownership seems content now with being mediocre and I just don't see them spending the money for a legitimate ace for the rotation. Also, Arenado and Goldschmidt don't even have combined 30 HRs or 90 RBIs and we have played 108 games. If they were hitting at all we would be leading the division.
This isn't about the Cardinals, but as Cardinal fans, we're the cream of the crop, so I think we can discuss other baseball topics LOL
I ran across this short documentary about Walter Johnson. Of course, EVERYONE has heard of Big Train, but I didn't know (or rather seen) about his delivery. How on earth did he dominate with that motion? I guess I just assumed he was a big over the top flame thrower like Seaver etc. and nothing could be further from the truth. Absolutely was not expecting THIS:
(just a funny note as well, at 1:23 you see Calvin Coolidge presenting him an award. Man, look at CC. He was truly "Mr. Excitment" LOL)
I ran across this short documentary about Walter Johnson. Of course, EVERYONE has heard of Big Train, but I didn't know (or rather seen) about his delivery. How on earth did he dominate with that motion? I guess I just assumed he was a big over the top flame thrower like Seaver etc. and nothing could be further from the truth. Absolutely was not expecting THIS:
(just a funny note as well, at 1:23 you see Calvin Coolidge presenting him an award. Man, look at CC. He was truly "Mr. Excitment" LOL)
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The Ken Burns documentary series on baseball talked about Johnson. One of the players said that it seemed like Johnson was halfway between the mound and home plate when he released the ball.
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He was a great Cardinal as a player, but I wish they would replace Jim Edmonds as an announcer.
I remember the late great Pat Summerall saying the best advice he ever got was a boss saying "I will never criticize you for saying too little". Apparently Jim thinks he gets paid by the word. I have to mute him constantly, a few minutes later unmute...Jim is talking. Loves to talk about himself too. "What I do in that situation..."
I remember the late great Pat Summerall saying the best advice he ever got was a boss saying "I will never criticize you for saying too little". Apparently Jim thinks he gets paid by the word. I have to mute him constantly, a few minutes later unmute...Jim is talking. Loves to talk about himself too. "What I do in that situation..."
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Re; Cardinal announcers
I was watching a game with my Dad one time, and even though I really liked Mike Shannon, I said to my Dad, "You think he could wait until after the game to get loaded (because he had that kind of slur)"
My Dad said, "Ummm he's not in the bag, he's had serious health problems since his playing career ended, including a stroke."
I wish I'd had the opportunity to wash my foot before it went in my mouth.
I was watching a game with my Dad one time, and even though I really liked Mike Shannon, I said to my Dad, "You think he could wait until after the game to get loaded (because he had that kind of slur)"
My Dad said, "Ummm he's not in the bag, he's had serious health problems since his playing career ended, including a stroke."
I wish I'd had the opportunity to wash my foot before it went in my mouth.
I'm afraid if Edmonds got drunk he would snatch Chip Carey's microphone away from him and turn it into a one man show.
Was really hoping Wainwright would get the job but I think he is doing national tv? Ricky Horton was really good but he took over for Shannon on the radio I think.
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Walter Johnson looks like he was down by the like, just skipping stones. UNTIL they show the slow motion replay. That arm contorted like a snake whip. How the hell did he pitch so many games w/o his arm falling off. I mean, It was damn near ALL arm in his delivery. His tendons must have been made out of Kevlar...
I truly preferred listening to Shannon on the radio call vs. watching the game. He always had good stories to tell during the games. RIP Mike.
Loss today even worse considering Cards gave up 3 in the ninth to lose yesterday. Cards keep getting to 4 or 5 over and then immediately losing a couple.
Which keeps us from getting swept. What a pickup.
Yep.loved Mike's stories. He knew lots of players over the years. You all know he was called Moon Man or just Moon. There used to be a website with his Yogi Berra type statements. They had this hot tub like machine in the training room where players could soak sore muscles. It had flashing lights and made a sound. I think it was Bob Gibson's who would say, "It's talking to you Moon."
Chip Caray needs to wear "the bird hat", for the rest of the season, because it absolutely jinxed the Cubs today. They looked like the Bad News Bears (at the beginning of the movie, not the end) out there.
Most of you probably remember Roger Maris at the end of his career at St Louis. You also remember Whitey Herzog. Early in their careers, both played for the Kansas City A's. They became good friends. In 1961, after hitting 61 homers for the Yankees, Roger helped his friend Whitey build his new house. Whitey said Roger showed up early every morning with tools and a lunch bucket and refused to take a dime for his work.
A Ted Williams story. Ted said his biggest regret in baseball was not putting enough effort in playing defense Jimmy Piersall played center for several years alongside Ted in left. Jimmy used to say he should get paid two salaries since he played two positions. When in a mood, sometimes Ted would turn his back to Jimmy and say anything hit behind me is yours. Bill James said when in the minors, Ted was in a mood one I day and put no effort into catching balls and it cost his team the game. Ted was just a skinny teenager then and a player attacked and savagely beat Ted. The manager said he had to pull the guy off Ted to save his life.
I hate to say anything bad about Mike Shannon, but I used to have a customer who stabled horses in the St Louis area. He said Mike Shannon came out to see him about stabling a horse. He said Mike told him he should stable his horse for free since Mike having a horse there would bring him a lot of business. He told Mike no.
Classic Shannonisms
Cardinal broadcasting greats Jack Buck (2002) and Mike Shannon Radio broadcaster Mike Shannon has had a number of memorable quotes in his...
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And Cruz with a dinger. 
I'm scrambling to find the remote to change the channel.
I'm scrambling to find the remote to change the channel.
Not really about Cards, but thought baseball junkies might like this.
he Nationals' Jacob Young, according to Baseball Savant, gets the best jump of any CF'er in MLB. In the first second and a half after the ball leaves the bat, Young covers 4.6 feet more than the average CF'er, and the 2nd place guy, Trent Grisham, isn't even close. Young's is the best time and jump since they started tracking such things.
So, the Washington Post asked Young how he does it, and it's not just footspeed:
"Before games, he makes his calculations. Every day the Nationals have batting practice, he tracks every type of ball he might see. He might also pick up differences in the ballparks across the game. Colorado was an obvious example — the ball takes a different route in thin air. In Milwaukee, he found that the roof suppressed sound.
Because he often uses the thwack off the bat to gauge a ball’s distance — and because he knew American Family Field was deceptively quiet — he boosted forward for a diving catch rather than allowing the ball to skip before him.
Before pitches, as he gets into a low stance, he plans for another contingency. If catcher Keibert Ruiz, for instance, sets up his glove to the outside — a pitch that say, based on a certain count, Young thinks is going to be a slider — his first step will go in the direction of an opposite-field hit, regardless of where the ball actually ends up going."
he Nationals' Jacob Young, according to Baseball Savant, gets the best jump of any CF'er in MLB. In the first second and a half after the ball leaves the bat, Young covers 4.6 feet more than the average CF'er, and the 2nd place guy, Trent Grisham, isn't even close. Young's is the best time and jump since they started tracking such things.
So, the Washington Post asked Young how he does it, and it's not just footspeed:
"Before games, he makes his calculations. Every day the Nationals have batting practice, he tracks every type of ball he might see. He might also pick up differences in the ballparks across the game. Colorado was an obvious example — the ball takes a different route in thin air. In Milwaukee, he found that the roof suppressed sound.
Because he often uses the thwack off the bat to gauge a ball’s distance — and because he knew American Family Field was deceptively quiet — he boosted forward for a diving catch rather than allowing the ball to skip before him.
Before pitches, as he gets into a low stance, he plans for another contingency. If catcher Keibert Ruiz, for instance, sets up his glove to the outside — a pitch that say, based on a certain count, Young thinks is going to be a slider — his first step will go in the direction of an opposite-field hit, regardless of where the ball actually ends up going."
