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Moscow Murders

What's your take on this terrible deed?

The Idaho murder reporting ?

I don't know much about it - only read 1 article on the crime scene description & the surreal initial announcement that the killer was still loose - BUT - didn't pose a threat to the community

They came back quickly and reversed their statement to remind people there actually IS SOME RISK WHEN A MASS MURDERER IS LOOSE -

Whole thing is creepy but i haven't kept up with it -- did it get weirder or something?
 
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In today’s world it’s astonishing that this guy hasn’t been caught yet. If he used a Ka-Bar knife, this is a in shape, fairly young, dangerous SOB. Those knives are heavy and clumsy to use. He’d have to be local to get in and out like he did. The whole case is strange.
 
Interesting developments if the leaks are accurate. They're saying the rooms were locked that's why the roommates called friends first then 911 as they couldn't get into the rooms to check.

What kind of killer locks the door after they're done? I think that pretty much cements that it has to be someone known and local and not a serial killer.
 
Interesting developments if the leaks are accurate. They're saying the rooms were locked that's why the roommates called friends first then 911 as they couldn't get into the rooms to check.

What kind of killer locks the door after they're done? I think that pretty much cements that it has to be someone known and local and not a serial killer.
Locking the doors would be smart actually. If there were no other visual evidence of the murders outside of the rooms, why not lock the doors and make it seem like Ppl were sleeping late or sleeping together, as n the case of xana and Ethan...ive read sooo much conflicting evidence as of now, but I'm def glued into this case...
 
Would be unprecedented for a killer "passing through" to take the time to lock the doors behind them like that. The doors being locked indicates it is a local known person IMO. I bet that's what the FBI profile will say. It's all frustrating because they aren't releasing enough details about the case. I'd like to know the entry point and if they just walked in or broke in. Were all the bodies locked inside the rooms? I also want to know exactly who decided to call friends instead of the police, who the friends were that were called, and exactly who was present when the police arrived. With the little we know right now it sure seems like it was either the roommates or the friends or possibly both. Occam's razor.
 
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Would be unprecedented for a killer "passing through" to take the time to lock the doors behind them like that. The doors being locked indicates it is a local known person IMO. I bet that's what the FBI profile will say. It's all frustrating because they aren't releasing enough details about the case. I'd like to know the entry point and if they just walked in or broke in. Were all the bodies locked inside the rooms? I also want to know exactly who decided to call friends instead of the police, who the friends were that were called, and exactly who was present when the police arrived. With the little we know right now it sure seems like it was either the roommates or the friends or possibly both. Occam's razor.
I'm a HUGE proponent of Occam's Razor...however, the simplest explanation being the correct one can only hold when we have the details that wud explain the base of the explanation. The cops have all of that info, and they aren't telling us. So we can't expect to break it down so simply without the most basic info that they have, and we do not. Having said all of that, I'm still going with the theory that there was a guy after Kaylee and the couple woke up and confronted him after he killed the girls. Thats as Occams as u can get lol
 
I'm a HUGE proponent of Occam's Razor...however, the simplest explanation being the correct one can only hold when we have the details that wud explain the base of the explanation. The cops have all of that info, and they aren't telling us. So we can't expect to break it down so simply without the most basic info that they have, and we do not. Having said all of that, I'm still going with the theory that there was a guy after Kaylee and the couple woke up and confronted him after he killed the girls. Thats as Occams as u can get lol

I still think it was an ex boyfriend or a crazy stalker of one of the girls . . . but that suspect (if he existed) would sure seem to be fairly easy to identify.
 
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I still think it was an ex boyfriend or a crazy stalker of one of the girls . . . but that suspect (if he existed) would sure seem to be fairly easy to identify.
Exactly. The amount of cameras and social media tracking on a college campus in that age cohort is overwhelming. Moscow, Idaho has a population of 25,000. By this time, using the resources of the FBI, law enforcement could likely have done an initial screen of every single person living in the town.

If the suspect were someone from the area, law enforcement almost certainly has that person identified. I think one of two things is likely.

One, the culprit is someone not from the immediate area who is migratory like that hobo killer who rode the rails and struck all over the country (including Lexington) back in the mid 2000s. Probably someone who comes into an area under the radar like a vagrant, stalks for intended victims for a long period of time, and then leaves without leaving any trace if he doesn't find exactly what he is looking for. If the story that the doors to the bedrooms were locked after the murders were committed is true, I think that makes this scenario much likelier because it would indicate an almost preternatural amount of cunning and self-control that would be remarkable from someone committing his first serious crime.

I think this is most likely.

Two, the police have a suspect in the area under 24/7 surveillance and are being extraordinarily tight-lipped about it in order to make sure the prosecution is as rock solid as it could be. This would make even more sense if the suspect is someone with the financial resources (either individually or through family connections) to lawyer up (and maybe try to flee internationally) as soon as there is a hint of any scrutiny.

This would make sense if the police almost immediately knew who the main suspect is and made the announcement that there was no threat to others in haste and then got their shit together and realized how difficult the prosecution will be.
 
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Exactly. The amount of cameras and social media tracking on a college campus in that age cohort is overwhelming. Moscow, Idaho has a population of 25,000. By this time, using the resources of the FBI, law enforcement could likely have done an initial screen of every single person living in the town.

If the suspect were someone from the area, law enforcement almost certainly has that person identified. I think one of two things is likely.

One, the culprit is someone not from the immediate area who is migratory like that hobo killer who rode the rails and struck all over the country (including Lexington) back in the mid 2000s. Probably someone who comes into an area under the radar like a vagrant, stalks for intended victims for a long period of time, and then leaves without leaving any trace if he doesn't find exactly what he is looking for. If the story that the doors to the bedrooms were locked after the murders were committed is true, I think that makes this scenario much likelier because it would indicate an almost preternatural amount of cunning and self-control that would be remarkable from someone committing his first serious crime.

I think this is most likely.

Two, the police have a suspect in the area under 24/7 surveillance and are being extraordinarily tight-lipped about it in order to make sure the prosecution is as rock solid as it could be. This would make even more sense if the suspect is someone with the financial resources (either individually or through family connections) to lawyer up (and maybe try to flee internationally) as soon as there is a hint of any scrutiny.

This would make sense if the police almost immediately knew who the main suspect is and made the announcement that there was no threat to others in haste and then got their shit together and realized how difficult the prosecution will be.
There is one flaw in your theory, IMO. What was the motive? There was no sexual assault. No ritualism. The killer wanted those kids dead and then he wanted time to cover their tracks so they locked the doors. An FBI profiler would indicate there was some amount of shame in that action. Like covering the face of a loved one after you've killed them. A conscious action of regret and shame.

I am sure this will be a local person known to the victims closely. Hard to know though because all the information I would like to have hasn't been released yet and I think the locked doors hasn't been confirmed yet. I only found out because I was blasting the phone call to friends before 911 was called as an obvious sign the roommates did it because who would call 911 without physically checking on the people first when someone told me it was because the rooms were locked.
 
Occum’s Razor huh? There’s a murder knife involved here, folks.

1) Triple check Glenn(n)(n)’s alibi. Then check it again

2) If Glen(n)nn(n)’s alibi checks out then place him onto the investigation team & catch his protégé...Silence of the Lambs style

On a serious note, I hope they catch the bastard(s) sooner rather than later. Chances are that they have already interviewed the killer(s) (think Delphi murders) and are just shoring up their case...which takes time.
 
I still think it was an ex boyfriend or a crazy stalker of one of the girls . . . but that suspect (if he existed) would sure seem to be fairly easy to identify.

It seems to me if it was a stalker or ex boyfriend it would have been done with a lot more haste. Like a quick fit of rage. This seems extremely premeditated and well thought out as to cover all their tracks. A stalker or ex seems to me at least would have been done in the moment leaving more evidence. Something seems off here.
 
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Watching police body cam footage where they responded to noise complaints at the home previously. They indicated noise complaints were frequent as it was kind of an open party house. When the police responded to the noise complaint, nobody that actually lives at the home was there it was so wild.

That is motive. Perhaps the constant noise over time made a roommate or a neighbor mad enough to do this? Falls in line with my certainty that this is a known local person and not a stranger or serial killer passing through.

I would really be interested in knowing if we have one person making a ton of noise complaints about the property. It would help explain the locked doors. Got to get home. Got to have time to clean up. Police will be coming by to ask if I heard anything.
 
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There was a renter at the home in the footage you’re talking about……The girl who answered the door. She was underage so she was scared to admit it.
 
I'm going with an obsessed person who saw her in town and on social media. Unfortunately when you put your every activity on some platform the crazies are going to latch on.

Its becoming more and more common
 
The killer wanted those kids dead and then he wanted time to cover their tracks so they locked the doors. An FBI profiler would indicate there was some amount of shame in that action. Like covering the face of a loved one after you've killed them. A conscious action of regret and shame.

...Hard to know though because all the information I would like to have hasn't been released yet....
Maybe the killer simply wanted to lock the doors to have more time to escape, and nothing else. No shame, no remorse, just a well-planned tactic to help evade capture. If the killer did indeed lock the corresponding bedroom door after each killing, then he/she/they went on to do so after each murder, and that to me seems more tactical than shameful.

Hell you might've nailed it and I could be way off base. I mean, I love Criminal Minds and those folks are great at what they do, I guess I just see things differently given what we know.

Totally agree that the pertinent information hasn't been released yet so we're all speculating to some degree.
 
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So someone stabbed 4 college students to death because the house was noisy?

I'm glad you aren't a detective.
To a layperson such as yourself then I can see the surprise at my brilliant summation. However you'd be stunned at how often noise complaints escalate into murder. Especially when it is a long running nuisance. Share the below links with your laughing buddies and discuss amongst yourselves then come back and offer a groveling apology for me to consider:

Man possibly killed for making too much noise, police say

It started as a noise complaint. It ended in another fatal Phoenix police shooting

Noise complaint could be why 1 man shot and killed neighbor, HPD says

Man beats neighbor to death over noise dispute in NYC, police say

Phoenix Will Pay $3 Million Settlement After Police Shot a Man During a Noise Complaint.

Police: Bronx couple murders roommate after he made noise complaint

Man killed in Cedar Park shooting over noise complaint was middle school athletics coach
 
To a layperson such as yourself then I can see the surprise at my brilliant summation. However you'd be stunned at how often noise complaints escalate into murder. Especially when it is a long running nuisance. Share the below links with your laughing buddies and discuss amongst yourselves then come back and offer a groveling apology for me to consider:

Man possibly killed for making too much noise, police say

It started as a noise complaint. It ended in another fatal Phoenix police shooting

Noise complaint could be why 1 man shot and killed neighbor, HPD says

Man beats neighbor to death over noise dispute in NYC, police say

Phoenix Will Pay $3 Million Settlement After Police Shot a Man During a Noise Complaint.

Police: Bronx couple murders roommate after he made noise complaint

Man killed in Cedar Park shooting over noise complaint was middle school athletics coach
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Doe anyone think there is a chance this ends up being unsolved? As unlikely as it may seem, the longer it goes on, less likely it is to close the case. Happened to Jon Benet (everyone has their theory . . . but no one has ever been charged); the billionaire couple from Canada found strangled in their basement, Jimmy Hoffa, et al. There are several unsolved murders from decades ago still open cases here in Lexington.
 
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Opinion;

One thing is for certain, the killer is crazy. Something set him off.

When he started, he couldn’t stop. The young woman with the most stab wounds may have been his first victim but his intense state carried over to all the others and there’s little doubt he wouldn’t have killed the other two if their doors had not been locked.

This reminds me of Ted Bundy’s rampage through that sorority at Florida State. He went room to room first strangling and then beating the young women. I think he was in a state similar to this killer.

When he’s caught, I think we’ll see many similarities to Bundy and other killers who experience an uncontrollable lust for killing. He may very well have been killing for a while before this horror. He seems to have experience.
 
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Doe anyone think there is a chance this ends up being unsolved? As unlikely as it may seem, the longer it goes on, less likely it is to close the case. Happened to Jon Benet (everyone has their theory . . . but no one has ever been charged); the billionaire couple from Canada found strangled in their basement, Jimmy Hoffa, et al. There are several unsolved murders from decades ago still open cases here in Lexington.
There are more than 120,000 unsolved murders in the US alone. Hardly any of them are similar to this one, however. I feel sure that the killer will be caught. A killer of four in the bloody manner of this case can’t have gotten away without leaving lots of forensic evidence.
 
There are more than 120,000 unsolved murders in the US alone. Hardly any of them are similar to this one, however. I feel sure that the killer will be caught. A killer of four in the bloody manner of this case can’t have gotten away without leaving lots of forensic evidence.

You sure wouldn't think so, and it seems likely something will break, but it has been several weeks now, and don't seem to be hearing any new developments, or even a plausible suspect so far.

My guess is that a lot of those 120,000 murders are where the cops and DA can't get anyone to testify, that happens all too frequently even though a lot of people have a real good idea of who the perp is.

I am thinking more along the lines of the really sensational crimes that have never been solved. You know, like Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman, I wonder if we will ever know who the killer, or killers, were?
 
You know, like Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman, I wonder if we will ever know who the killer, or killers, were?
LOL.

I think most of the 120,000 cases are very old and cold. Modern forensic science is amazing. If I had it to do over, I’d get a degree in criminology and work for the FBI. The forensic tools at their disposal are incredible.
 
I have one real problem with this case. It would help to know more about the dog. I understand the people making no noise but where was the dog? A dog not reacting indicates the dog knows the perp. Or the dog was in another part of the house away from where this happened. The dog not reacting would implicate the boyfriend or someone he was ok with. The dog being in another part of the house means nothing to the case.
 
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The 2 girls (Madi and Kaylee) were killed in the same bed on 3rd floor. One of them was killed in a much more gruesome manner than the other, reportedly.

I’ve heard that the couple (Xana and Ethan) were killed together as well on second floor. But there are reports/rumors that Ethan was found outside Xana’s bedroom door.

Edit to add: the other 2 girls and the dog were unharmed on the 1st floor.
Ok, that explains the dog. Did not know that. So my previous post is moot.
 
I'm going with an obsessed person who saw her in town and on social media. Unfortunately when you put your every activity on some platform the crazies are going to latch on.

Its becoming more and more common

That's my guess. Some weirdo student or dropout from there or maybe they even traveled to her town. I don't think they'll find anyone anytime soon since they haven't yet.
 
After reading this thread, I am convinced LOL_Man did it.
Do you think the killer did Christmas Eve with his family tonight? Just weird thinking how he is living life after killing four people. Maybe not his first time but just hard to comprehend.

Note...I just put the kids gifts out and trying to fall asleep now.
 
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To a layperson such as yourself then I can see the surprise at my brilliant summation. However you'd be stunned at how often noise complaints escalate into murder. Especially when it is a long running nuisance. Share the below links with your laughing buddies and discuss amongst yourselves then come back and offer a groveling apology for me to consider:

Man possibly killed for making too much noise, police say

It started as a noise complaint. It ended in another fatal Phoenix police shooting

Noise complaint could be why 1 man shot and killed neighbor, HPD says

Man beats neighbor to death over noise dispute in NYC, police say

Phoenix Will Pay $3 Million Settlement After Police Shot a Man During a Noise Complaint.

Police: Bronx couple murders roommate after he made noise complaint

Man killed in Cedar Park shooting over noise complaint was middle school athletics coach

Fear thy neighbor.
 
I got arrested once for having a party at Royal Lex. They charged me with a noise ordiance and took me to jail. Everybody was there. Even the Chinese next door neighbors were at my party. But if I find out who called it in I'll shoot the bastard.
 
https://idahonews.com/moscow-homicide-update-for-december-27

At this time in the investigation, detectives do not believe the female associate professor and chair of the history department at the University of Idaho suing a TikTok user for defamation is involved in this crime. The Moscow Police Department will not provide a statement about the ongoing civil process.
Guess the big question is… Does the professor own a 2011-13 white Hyundai Elantra?
 
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