Probation did not come until 2002. You forgot their 99 class was pretty good with Jamal Crawford and LaVell Blanchard, and Michigan was a very good team that season until Crawford was banned for the 2nd half of the season for improper benefits.
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And the type of questions Izzo gets is far different than what Cal gets, which goes back to my point...Izzo has his way,Cal has his, different styles which work for them. Neither fan base would trade one for another.
Point I'm making is this...if Izzo beats out Cal, it s because of his approach. Last Saturday in East Lansing was the perfect storm, and Cal can't duplicate what Izzo did unless UKs football program becomes a legit title threat, that's reality.
Or the fact that Bridges just likes MSU better, and would rather play for his home state school. But if you want to keep pumping up MSU's football program as the reason, acting like Cal needed UK football to be good in order to land Bridges, then by all means, go right ahead. Pretty weird analysis if you ask me, though.
Hate to break this to you, but using guys who were projected higher but still ended up with 7 figure guaranteed contracts as examples of "stock dropping" is less than bright.
Here are the guys who were RSCI top 10 in their HS class in the one and done era who went in the 2nd round or undrafted.
Chase Budinger
Kyle Singler
Delvon Roe (undrafted)
Samardo Samuels (undrafted)
Renardo Sidney (undrafted)
Kenny Boynton (undrafted)
Tiny Gallon
Josh Selby
Will Barton
Quincy Miller
James McAdoo (undrafted)
LeBryan Nash (undrafted)
Adonis Thomas (undrafted)
Andrew Harrison
Aaron Harrison (undrafted)
Dakari Johnson
Chris Walker (undrafted)
Cliff Alexander (undrafted)
That's 18 of 90 possible guys, meaning fully 20% of top 10 HS players don't end up in the 1st round of the NBA draft. That, unlike a silly example like a guy going 18 overall instead of 10, is having your draft stock drop in a meaningful way.
Not weird, just reality. Bridges official visit took place during the MSU/Oregon Game. He changes his announcement date immediately afterwards. Without that game and that atmosphere, I highly doubt that happens. As stated above, 100 former basketball players back on campus, including Magic and Draymond Green, biggest home game in 50 years, literally, and a night game on ABC with 200 football recruits there. You don't get that with a mediocre football program.
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Well you stick to thinking that MSU's football team helps Izzo/MSU basketball land 5* players. UK fans will just stick to knowing... you know... Cal/UK landing 5* players regardless.
To be honest, if the day comes that Cal needs other UK sports to be successful in order to do his own job, then I'll probably say it's time he looks for a new job.
That's definitely not something I'd be bragging about. You're basically saying that Izzo/MSU basketball aren't good enough on their own. Anyways, nice talk.
Well you stick to thinking that MSU's football team helps Izzo/MSU basketball land 5* players. UK fans will just stick to knowing... you know... Cal/UK landing 5* players regardless.
To be honest, if the day comes that Cal needs other UK sports to be successful in order to do his own job, then I'll probably say it's time he looks for a new job.
That's definitely not something I'd be bragging about. You're basically saying that Izzo/MSU basketball aren't good enough on their own. Anyways, nice talk.
Far more with less? Hold the GD phone.
He does get far less talent than Cal, that's true, but his results are also far less impressive. Izzo's big claim to fame is "every graduating class will see a final four", though it's been eons since you had a genuine chance to win from there. Cal's could use that same line, except it would be more like "two out of three years we go to the final four, and when we get there, we're capable of winning". There's really no comparison just on the court.
Izzo is great, but he is not in the first tier with Cal and K, who are both on historically noteworthy streaks of on-court success over the past 6 years.
And you asked if Cal has done anything as impressive as getting that MSU team to a final four last year.
Uh, well - he had a Gregg Marshall level run at a mid major that had been to one NCAA tournament in history - in 1962. At that school, he averaged like 30 wins a year over 5 seasons with tourney wins every single season, including a F4 and an E8 - and he did it with one player that you've heard of.
But yeah, he probably forgot to coach in the mean time.
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Lol. You have your right to your own opinion, but not your own facts. Go research the above and come back and try again.
I'll give you a little head start: for the "blow off class for 1 semester" claim, take a look at what happened with Daniel Orton and our APR (we incurred a penalty that makes no sense if we were doing what you say.
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Dude, please. Stop it. You try way too hard. MSU may be the pick but you don't have inside knowledge they will be.
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Stop groveling to this clown. He doesn't know jack squat.
Well, you could look at it that way that we caught a break. You could also look at it like Michigan was caught in the biggest pay for play scandal in NCAA history spanning from the mid 80s to the late 90s with estimates going from a few hundred thousand on up into 7 figures.
Oh, and Fischer is under investigation again at SDSU. He's a cheater. Izzo has talked about the Webber recruitment in the past and how dirty it was. He knew his family since the 7th grade and still talks with him to this day. Webber was all green until the last hour when Uncle Ed came in and gave him a truckload of cash. Dirty. I never buy into the "Michigan Man" hype. That's a dirty school that paid off Charles Woodson as well but Woodson said he only received 20k, he should have held out for more.
But seriously, let's not act like Michigan did us any favors. They're some of the biggest cheats in college history. They did their own investigation and found nothing... Until the FBI got involved and started tracing out bank accounts. Can't stand that holier than thou BS.
I don't like the complete radio silence he's maintained on Twitter since coming back from the visit - in complete contrast to his MSU visit. Not even the obligatory "had a great visit to UK".
He'd actually re-tweeted a photoshop a girl had posted of him in a UK jersey, but he's since deleted it. Of course, he can't post anything about UK without about 10 MSU fans replying telling him to stay home, calling UK cheaters, etc.
He'd actually re-tweeted a photoshop a girl had posted of him in a UK jersey, but he's since deleted it. Of course, he can't post anything about UK without about 10 MSU fans replying telling him to stay home, calling UK cheaters, etc.
It is what it is, either way. We've had our fair share of disappointing other fan bases as of late - Virginia, Oregon, Memphis, St. John's, etc. If UK has to run a three guard lineup next year with elite-level spacing and guard penetration, so be it. If Bridges wants to come and join forces, giving UK the ultra-combo forward who excels in transition, so be it.
Either way, we'll once again have a top 10 team with another real shot at a Final Four. What else can a fan ask for?
Either way, we'll once again have a top 10 team with another real shot at a Final Four. What else can a fan ask for?
Your intel being Matt Jones's blog, right? That's some CIA-level intel, sir.
I'm not sure you are giving MSUs resume a fair shake. The Flint connection with MSU is very strong.
Or maybe Izzo wants all sports at MSU to succeed and was willing to put himself in the process to see that happen? I know, foreign concept to most. If Cal was doing the same thing for UK Football, how many of ya would be complaining? Approximately none. Like I said, at no fault of Cal...but he can't duplicate what MSU can do at the moment. You call it like you see it, but it is a tool that Izzo uses to his advantage.
Not sure what football has to do with anything, but the B1G is a shit hole conference in football. MSU would be a middling team in the SEC and that's an optimistic take.
Hey you know what I think might be the case?
Maybe, JUST MAYBE, he's gonna take the next 2 weeks and talk about the pros and cons of each school with his family and make a decision before October 3. We all assume it's a done deal, one way or the other, but maybe he's still thinking about it.
Maybe, JUST MAYBE, he's gonna take the next 2 weeks and talk about the pros and cons of each school with his family and make a decision before October 3. We all assume it's a done deal, one way or the other, but maybe he's still thinking about it.
If we do strike out on Bridges and he chooses MSU, but we land Alkins instead, I won't be upset at all. Alkins has plenty of size to play the SF position at 6-5 210 lbs. Bridges is 6-6 218 lbs. Not much of a difference. Bridges plays a little bit bigger and may be a little more athletic with a good post up game, but Alkins is much better on the wing slashing and has a better jumper. Take your pick.
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Way to use hypotheticals in a situation that has helped MSU in the Miles Bridges recruiting.
He's going to MSU in part because their football program is having a good year so far? Makes sense.
Just stop. You idiots are the king of hypotheticals talking about MSU landing Josh Jackson if they can get Miles Bridges, and what Izzo could have accomplished if he was able to recruit like Cal. One of you said that if Izzo had Cal's rosters, he'd have won 4 titles in 6 years, and you wanna talk about hypotheticals. C'mon man.
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Also, the B1G is a garbage football conference compared to the SEC. I stand by my comment that Sparty would (at best) be a middling team in the SEC. Please keep chest thumping about your football success.
Seems momentum for Alkins is in NC State's favor -- but obviously as we've seen -- things can change.
Yeah, fair point. But if we do miss on Bridges, you better believe Cal turns on the heat on Alkins/Gabriel hard.
Umm, you do know Louisville (whom I'm despise) is the #6-7 program of ALL-TIME, right?
And Calipari did great at UMass and Memphis, so yeah, I think he'd be fine at Michigan State.
Cmon. Um was cheating like crazy. They got busted. Let's not act like MSU was the beneficiary here. UM didn't earn their previous position as a contender. The cheated to get there.
You would never find me bragging gleefully on a Michigan St message board. Does such a thing even exist?
No lie, i actually just went and checked Bama's message board to see if you were over there making a fool out of yourself there as well.
