One data point for top-shelf QB transfer:
Helps give an idea for mid-shelf QB transfer prices/comps
Helps give an idea for mid-shelf QB transfer prices/comps
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I feel you brother, hard to keep up. And consider this....the portal doesn't officially open until Dec 4!!Can we get all portal threads consolidated into one big one? I can't keep up with em all!
Until then, and on this topic...I'm real surprised at a lot of these programs who seemingly can't pony up even for a good QB.
Surely, Washington State has some money somewhere. Same goes for Kansas St, Miami, etc...I mean don't tell me Miami can't find some money and benefits to retain players...There's a 2-part ESPN 30 for 30 all about their vast resources and willingness to spend them on athletes, specifically football.
Also, PAC12 has/had a lot of good QBs this year.
Agreed. Is there any chance of a team NIL cap that could be enforced? Personally I can't see myself staying interested in the sport if it just comes down to buying players.This is crazy. College football can't sustain this.
There needs to be a cap/limit that’s the same for every team.This is crazy. College football can't sustain this.
I have a hard time seeing numbers like this and believing they're credible. All parties involved have an incentive to inflate the numbers, and there's no traceability. They should be treated with a high degree of skepticism.One data point for top-shelf QB transfer:
Helps give an idea for mid-shelf QB transfer prices/comps
You can’t put a cap on NIL.Agreed. Is there any chance of a team NIL cap that could be enforced? Personally I can't see myself staying interested in the sport if it just comes down to buying players.
I have a hard time seeing numbers like this and believing they're credible. All parties involved have an incentive to inflate the numbers, and there's no traceability. They should be treated with a high degree of skepticism.
Leary was the #1 QB in the portal last year and didn't get close to that in NIL.
price of the bag has gone up, i'd say. also, i would have thought leary was #3 last year behind sam hartman and dj uiagaleili.Leary was the #1 QB in the portal last year and didn't get close to that in NIL.
Maybe. I'm just skeptical because there are so many inflated figures thrown out there with no verification possible, and it's in everyone's interest to talk as big as possible. Rhule saying it costs that much also insinuates that Nebraska has that much to throw around on one player, even if that's not the truth.price of the bag has gone up, i'd say. that's nebraska's coach in the market for a transfer qb so i tend to believe it since it corroborates other reporting.
We need more info for sure.Yeah, I would like to see a breakdown of that price. I would also like to see who's making that number.
I mean how many players are really making anywhere near that via NIL, more specifically collectives.
Is it guaranteed? What's the payment plan? Is that per year or total based on 2-3 years if the player even has that much eligibility left?
I feel like what a player can make isn't really on the university but the marketability of the player and what they can go make themselves.
Most of the good money isn't coming from university coffers but brand deals, commercials for local, regional, national businesses, etc...
Says the guy whose job depends on boosters donating money. Of course he is going to inflate it as that just means more money if they can raise those figures.
He’s not the only one saying it though.Says the guy whose job depends on boosters donating money. Of course he is going to inflate it as that just means more money if they can raise those figures.
Agreed. Is there any chance of a team NIL cap that could be enforced? Personally I can't see myself staying interested in the sport if it just comes down to buying players.
That would break the law. You can’t put a cap on what someone can earn on their NIL. Problem is really, they are not payed for that. No one is paying them to endorse products or sell jerseys for the majority of that money. They are paid to play. If they were employees you could cap pay for play. You can’t if they say it’s NIL. What a bag of bullshit. Lawyers.There needs to be a cap/limit that’s the same for every team.
You're right in that you can't put a cap on what someone can earn. However the NCAA could easily put a cap on the universities and say that the total amount of NIL money by their players can't exceed x amount.That would break the law. You can’t put a cap on what someone can earn on their NIL. Problem is really, they are not payed for that. No one is paying them to endorse products or sell jerseys for the majority of that money. They are paid to play. If they were employees you could cap pay for play. You can’t if they say it’s NIL. What a bag of bullshit. Lawyers.
NFL has a salary cap for teams each season.That would break the law. You can’t put a cap on what someone can earn on their NIL. Problem is really, they are not payed for that. No one is paying them to endorse products or sell jerseys for the majority of that money. They are paid to play. If they were employees you could cap pay for play. You can’t if they say it’s NIL. What a bag of bullshit. Lawyers.
This is exactly what I was referring to. Similar to the NFL model.You're right in that you can't put a cap on what someone can earn. However the NCAA could easily put a cap on the universities and say that the total amount of NIL money by their players can't exceed x amount.
Then that QB that would put you over the cap would just have to go to a different school or voluntarily accept less NIL money.
Duke QB Riley Leonard is in the portal. We should check him out. He looked pretty solid when I watched Duke play a couple times.One data point for top-shelf QB transfer:
Helps give an idea for mid-shelf QB transfer prices/comps
I suggested that from day 1 but I believe it’s gotten too out of hand at this point.Agreed. Is there any chance of a team NIL cap that could be enforced? Personally I can't see myself staying interested in the sport if it just comes down to buying players.
Interesting, thought-provoking post.Everyone talk about how the free market solves everything but freaks out when it comes to sports lol
You can’t cap NIL any more than you can cap me as a video editor, or cap Taylor Swift’s concert tickets sales. You’re worth what you can get, basic capitalism.
But what you COULD do is like the NBA, NFL, etc does, unionize the employees - spare me the student athlete angle - and set up a fair system between all the member teams.
However, players aren’t really motivated to do so. They’ve got the wild Wild West and unregulated contracts.
It’ll take one or two things:
1. the bottom 60% of players who aren’t getting much or any NIL to go on strike and force a better distribution between the players, continuing health insurance, etc etc.
2. The schools to “lock out” the employees, ditch the NCAA, ditch NIL as the main conduit for recruiting, and establish a contract and pay system based upon a revenue share of their TV contracts, reducing the control that NIL outfits have on a program. NIL will still have influence, but if schools could just cut a player, and NIL outfits aren’t able to negotiate playing time (de facto), so more power returns to the schools.
I see the latter as the more likely scenario, as the schools and coaches really miss the power they had. But it also would destroy the NCAA and probably the conferences as we know them. And then basically it’s NFL jr.
But one thing is certain. The second the Supreme Court made that ruling, and the NCAA could no longer punish athletes for money, everything changed and it will never go back.
Because they are employees. They cap the pay for play. Tom Brady still went out and made as much money thru commercials and public appearances as he wanted. They couldn’t cap that. That’s NIL. Pay for play in college is not legal. NIL is what you pay them for. Supposedly. That’s why you can’t cap it.NFL has a salary cap for teams each season.
And that is what it’s coming to with NCAA athletes. I’m pretty sure there are legal arguments already in the pipeline with some ongoing cases that they are essentially employees. (Could be wrong about that though).Because they are employees. They cap the pay for play. Tom Brady still went out and made as much money thru commercials and public appearances as he wanted. They couldn’t cap that. That’s NIL. Pay for play in college is not legal. NIL is what you pay them for. Supposedly. That’s why you can’t cap it.
Why would the NCAA or the university’s care or want to change what’s going on?? They are NOT PAYING THE NIL. FANS ARE. Do you not remember the PONY UP comments. They are not losing a dime in all this.And that is what it’s coming to with NCAA athletes. I’m pretty sure there are legal arguments already in the pipeline with some ongoing cases that they are essentially employees. (Could be wrong about that though).
But the point is that NIL is getting out of control (and it’s only getting started), and something needs to be done, or else teams like UK will never have a shot because we don’t have enough money like, for instance, A&M does.
Because they are employees. They cap the pay for play. Tom Brady still went out and made as much money thru commercials and public appearances as he wanted. They couldn’t cap that. That’s NIL. Pay for play in college is not legal. NIL is what you pay them for. Supposedly. That’s why you can’t cap it.
Why are you wanting to argue?Why would the NCAA or the university’s care or want to change what’s going on?? They are NOT PAYING THE NIL. FANS ARE. Do you not remember the PONY UP comments. They are not losing a dime in all this.
That’s why Salary Caps are needed….Gonna destroy college athletics for everyone except the top 5 programs who have the money. Gotta put this genie back in the bottle.
Why would the NCAA or the university’s care or want to change what’s going on?? They are NOT PAYING THE NIL. FANS ARE. Do you not remember the PONY UP comments. They are not losing a dime in all this.
I read it again and did not mean to come off that way. It just ticks me off they have ruined college sports for me. Asking the fans to pay players is like my last straw man. My apologies.Why are you wanting to argue?
I’m clearly alluding to the fact that some schools (ex: A&M) have massive advantages over other schools (ex: UK) - do you want the playing field to be leveled off or no?
Do you want NFL (salary caps) or MLB (no salary caps)?
The NFL every team before the season starts theoretically has a chance to win the Super Bowl. In Baseball, only a handful of teams typically have a really good chance to go to the World Series.
Why are you wanting to argue?
I’m clearly alluding to the fact that some schools (ex: A&M) have massive advantages over other schools (ex: UK) right now - do you want the playing field to be leveled off or no?
Do you want NFL (salary caps) or MLB (no salary caps)?
The NFL every team before the season starts theoretically has a chance to win the Super Bowl. In Baseball, only a handful of teams typically have a really good chance to go to the World Series.