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Liam Coen

The recruiting thing is my biggest worry. Gran pulled his weight in Florida getting guys up here to play. This guy has zero experience recruiting in the SEC. Our classes have been good for our standards but to take the next step we’re gonna need all the help we can get bringing players to Lexington and this guy isn’t gonna help in that aspect at all. If this is the guy he’s got pegged as OC then he better bring a lights out recruiter with him as QB coach. If not then our classes start to dip back down into the 40’s and then we’re right back to square one with Stoops struggling to win 4 games a year until he’s sent packing.

Coen will have no problem recruiting. Victor Cruz has tweeted to Coen, can’t wait to see “His Boy”. Running the offense in Lexington. Plus the players he’s coached with the LA Rams. I used Kupp or Woods like this and I envision using you the same way. Same with TE’s and RB’s. Kids will eat that up.
 
Seems like a really odd choice (zero track record, never called plays ...), but then again it’s statistically impossible for our offense to get any worse.

So ... yay?

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But he did call plays at Maine. Loved it when asked about that in his interview yesterday. This guy comes from a Football family. 3rd generation. He’s been with one of the best minds in Football the last 3 years.
 
In the landscape of CFB in 2020, please don't tell me you even remotely think this is possible. If the GOAT believed that was possible, he would be doing it.
No I don't but I also don't know how the new guy is going to do on offense. He may be able to cordinate an offense that scores 31 points a game, we simply don't know yet.
 
That's all I'm saying, let it play out. We may end up loving this guy and having to fight off other teams to keep him. Brad White was an unknown to us, that has turned out fine. I'm not as hung up on the final score as some, I love great defense, but, I do like watching teams keep the opposing defense off balance. That's what I'm hoping for more so than a high flying offense.
 
Coen will have no problem recruiting. Victor Cruz has tweeted to Coen, can’t wait to see “His Boy”. Running the offense in Lexington. Plus the players he’s coached with the LA Rams. I used Kupp or Woods like this and I envision using you the same way. Same with TE’s and RB’s. Kids will eat that up.
Great points. I am elated that Stoops went to the NFL for someone to run our offense. The LA Rams have one of the best in the league. There is no reason to believe Coen will have a problem in the SEC.

All he needs is the talent and I think high school coaches and players recognize that Coen has been involved with some of the best in the NFL. Coen will not have a problem recruiting

He has my 100% support.
 
I'll add one more thing..... Another complaint I've been reading about this guy, he's just an assisstant qb coach, not a key part of the Rams offense. If that were the case, why would McVey ask him to hang around until the season is done.
 
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Wins are great, but it would be nice to enjoy watching a game
I love all the "I enjoy watching winning, even if it's 3-0 every game" crowd telling us "Back in my day we won games 2-0 in the snow uphill both ways and we liked it!" Look, no one is saying winning isn't the most important thing. But if you're honest with yourself, the great majority of people would rather see a 30-21 or 35-24 win than they would 10-7 or 14-3 win.

Just because some of us would like to see more offense doesn't mean that somehow we are okay with winning less as a trade-off, like it's only one or the other, winning ugly or losing pretty, with no in between. What's wrong with wanting to win and be entertained? I don't see too many old school Alabama fans bitching about scoring 50pts a game as long as their winning ways continue.
 
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I love all the "I enjoy watching winning, even if it's 3-0 every game" crowd telling us "Back in my day we won games 2-0 in the snow uphill both ways and we liked it!" Look, no one is saying winning isn't the most important thing. But if you're honest with yourself, the great majority of people would rather see a 30-21 or 35-24 win than they would 10-7 or 14-3 win.

Just because some of us would like to see more offense doesn't mean that somehow we are okay with winning less as a trade-off, like it's only one or the other, winning ugly or losing pretty, with no in between. What's wrong with wanting to win and be entertained? I don't see too many old school Alabama fans bitching about scoring 50pts a game.
I think, at least from my standpoint how does anyone know that we didn't just get that, entertaining offense? The hand wringing about the offense yesterday and today seems like hyperbole to me. None of us know what the offense will even look like next year. He has a background in qb development, that alone, seems like a great start to me.
 
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I think, at least from my standpoint how does anyone know that we didn't just get that, entertaining offense? The hand wringing about the offense yesterday and today seems like hyperbole to me. None of us know what the offense will even look like next year. He has a background in qb development, that alone, seems like a great start to me.
Definitely, I'm not for or against the hire. I don't know much about him and will take a wait and see approach. Just from what I've read though, this hire seems to have good potential. We'll see I guess.
 
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I'll add one more thing..... Another complaint I've been reading about this guy, he's just an assisstant qb coach, not a key part of the Rams offense. If that were the case, why would McVey ask him to hang around until the season is done.
Like I posted earlier. The Rams don't want Coen and the OC to get in a situation where both are quarantined together. To me that says that he is an integral part of the Rams on game day.
 
Like I posted earlier. The Rams don't want Coen and the OC to get in a situation where both are quarantined together. To me that says that he is an integral part of the Rams on game day.
That says a lot IMO
 
The more I hear about Coen, the more Im starting to like the hire. Im not getting the same feeling I did with Zac Taylor and the Bengals.
 
4th OC headed into 9th year...head scratcher. Maybe it's not th OC . Looks like maybe it's something more.
Maybe he’s seen the light . I’ve heard some credible whispers that we were going to lose a ton of skill players to the transfer portal thus Stoops hand was kinda forced into making a change. Sometimes a guy has to be hit in the face with something before he sees it . Plus, some people tease you about your quote, but I guarantee Stoops heard Sabans comment, and it may have gotten his attention. We’ll just have to wait and see.
 
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So if Coen is aligned with Stoops in emphasizing run game, how is that different than where we were two weeks ago?
If Stoops were to think as some think he thinks..... Why get rid of Gran? He's a buddy, similar age, probably a ton of common interests to chew the cud about. Arguably one of the better run coordinators in the game. I'm just failing to see any logic in that...... Help me understand.
 
So if Coen is aligned with Stoops in emphasizing run game, how is that different than where we were two weeks ago?
Same reason Alabama emphasizes the run game . They have an excited passing game but it plays off of and is set up by their running game . You can see the difference in the sec championship game when Alabama trounces Florida [who doesn’t emphasis the run enough imo].
 
Same reason Alabama emphasizes the run game . They have an excited passing game but it plays off of and is set up by their running game . You can see the difference in the sec championship game when Alabama trounces Florida [who doesn’t emphasis the run enough imo].
Looking at their stats, the only thing they have more of rushing than passing is attempts. Seems just a chance to let receivers catch their breaths.
 
4th OC headed into 9th year...head scratcher. Maybe it's not th OC . Looks like maybe it's something more.
One of those guys got a head coaching job, another was here for 5 years and had some pretty good success and another was a dud. Dan Mullen went through 6 defensive coordinators at MSU. Saban has gone through 7 offensive coordinators at Alabama. Malzahn went through 4 offensive coordinators at Auburn. The list goes on and on. It’s more common that not that coordinators change pretty often for one reason or another.
 
Did you know this guys name before last week?

Not sure why everyone is so thrilled with the hire when we literally know nothing about his philosophy.

No. Joe Moorhead was the only candidate I'd heard of, and I knew he was a good OC. I trust that Stoops has the contacts to pick a good OC. If he's good enough to coach the Rams, I can see giving him a shot. It's not like we could get Sarkisian.

I saw a post on Gyro that Joe Brady coached at, I think it was Brown U. and William and Mary before the NFL and then LSU. If you know football, I don't think it matters where you started.
 
If Stoops were to think as some think he thinks..... Why get rid of Gran? He's a buddy, similar age, probably a ton of common interests to chew the cud about. Arguably one of the better run coordinators in the game. I'm just failing to see any logic in that...... Help me understand.
Mostly because it wasn't working. We just couldn't go into next year running the same game plan. From a perception standpoint alone. We would have likely lost recruits and possibly even lost some to transfer. You had to change even if it were nothing but a change of faces.

Also a fair amount of the blame does go on Gran's shoulders. Stoops clearly suffocates his offenses but Gran made some mistakes as well. Gran wasn't very imaginative. He came up with very basic game plans and prepared for absolutely nothing else. When you play in the SEC defenses can take away your 1st option. Our problem is that we seemed to not even practice any backup options.

Gran was also not innovative on key positions. TE was always a big problem. Especially since we've had really good talent at TE the entire time he was here. Still we seemed to have only 1 or 2 plays for TEs. TE and FB were basically just blocking positions. And it just took way too long for talented players to earn their way into playing time.
 
I don't necessarily agree that he suffocates the offense. I think that is mostly fanbase phenomena, if you listened to his press conferences post game this year, he was very complimentary of the offense and how they were moving the ball, first half Bama, first half UF. I think what he doesn't like is putting the defense in a hole for most of the game. I think he would be fine, other than uptempo no huddle, with whatever Gran/Hinshaw, or now Coen, chooses to run on offense but there needs to be a certain level of consistency with whatever the choice is. I think that's a fair request of the head coach. If you're slinging it all over the field but stalling drives, instead of moving the ball, I think any HC would say run the ball. I continue to think the offense will be fine, we have to improve the consistency out of the quarterback position, that's one of the reasons I like the Coen hire.


Imagine this, as far as Gran's predicament, he draws up the perfect play, catches the defense napping. The outside receiver, the TE, you pick, is running wide open, we throw it three yards out of bounds, we throw it a half yard behind the guy, has to break his route to catch it. We have seen this over and over and over again. How can you have any confidence calling pass plays with 50% of the time you have no confidence in the result. Not to mention, big explosive plays, they typically only work once against a good defense, you blow your shot, you don't get to run that one again.
 
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A couple of concerns here. First is recruiting. He has basically zero experience or contacts. Also his name is not a name that you can sell to recruits. The second concern is does he have the gravitas needed to coach offense for Mark Stoops. Yeah I get it that Stoops doesn't literally call the plays but when you see him explode after an incomplete pass on 1st down, then you see that he effectively does call the plays. We need someone that can call the right plays and move the ball and not care about the heat he gets from his boss.

And he'll be gone after one year!

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!
 
Maybe he’s seen the light . I’ve heard some credible whispers that we were going to lose a ton of skill players to the transfer portal thus Stoops hand was kinda forced into making a change. Sometimes a guy has to be hit in the face with something before he sees it . Plus, some people tease you about your quote, but I guarantee Stoops heard Sabans comment, and it may have gotten his attention. We’ll just have to wait and see.
I think there was pressure on a Stoops to do something but Slugger & others overplay the 4 OC thing. Neal left for his first head coaching gig, Dawson was a bad fit personality wise that manifested itself quickly when things went south on the field too in just one year so no surprise when that change was made. & Eddie had a good run with Stoops as long as most OCs tenures in this league. So the narrative that he somehow ran off 3 others is a little overdone.
 
It's a diversion from the passing game that generates the yards, 1D's, & scores.
1. They have more rushing tds than passing tds this season.
2. If a team has more rushing attempts than passing attempts that would tend to imply that they emphasize running the ball.
3. How many of the passing yards, tds, etc are from play action after setting up the run?

At the end of the day you had better be able to run the ball. Every single one of the top teams can run the ball. It helps open everything up in the pass game.
 
One of those guys got a head coaching job, another was here for 5 years and had some pretty good success and another was a dud. Dan Mullen went through 6 defensive coordinators at MSU. Saban has gone through 7 offensive coordinators at Alabama. Malzahn went through 4 offensive coordinators at Auburn. The list goes on and on. It’s more common that not that coordinators change pretty often for one reason or another.
Gran was apparently a good man, but really how many SEC programs would tolerate offenses ranked in the bottom half of the country every year. Putting butts in the seats is going to be very important post covid and if Gran came back then we were probably once again the least fun team to watch play in the SEC outside of maybe Vandy . They set off fireworks for a reason after we score. Should be a nice stockpile left for the new guy .
 
1. They have more rushing tds than passing tds this season.
2. If a team has more rushing attempts than passing attempts that would tend to imply that they emphasize running the ball.
3. How many of the passing yards, tds, etc are from play action after setting up the run?

At the end of the day you had better be able to run the ball. Every single one of the top teams can run the ball. It helps open everything up in the pass game.
I’m pretty sure you‘re talking to a guy that doesn’t know much about football . I’m thinking he just wants to argue .
 
I think there was pressure on a Stoops to do something but Slugger & others overplay the 4 OC thing. Neal left for his first head coaching gig, Dawson was a bad fit personality wise that manifested itself quickly when things went south on the field too in just one year so no surprise when that change was made. & Eddie had a good run with Stoops as long as most OCs tenures in this league. So the narrative that he somehow ran off 3 others is a little overdone.
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After listening to his interview, those that think we will turn into a more pass happy offense are going to be extremely disappointed. I can see why Stoops chose this guy. He literally mentioned running the football and the OL controlling the line of scrimmage a dozen or more times in the interview.

His philosophy it appears is to use the run to set up the pass. But he’s going to have a more complex pass game plan to pull from.

My concern is...Maybe that was Gran’s philosophy all along but then he discovered he didn’t have the QB or WRs to be more diverse. If this is the case it may take multiple years to see if Coen can improve the O side.
 
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