Liam Coen

[Mojocat]

I love all the "I enjoy watching winning, even if it's 3-0 every game" crowd telling us "Back in my day we won games 2-0 in the snow uphill both ways and we liked it!" Look, no one is saying winning isn't the most important thing. But if you're honest with yourself, the great majority of people would rather see a 30-21 or 35-24 win than they would 10-7 or 14-3 win.

True - but it's not just about fans being entertained. First, football is, at bottom, entertainment, and you're relying on people wanting to pay ticket prices to be entertained, so I don't understand folks that just dismiss that element (usually with a sneer). Second, more importantly, it impacts recruiting. If your style of choice is to win games 10-7, you're just not going to get high impact skill kids to play for you, at least not consistently. Third, most importantly, the game has changed. it just has. Here's one of the great defensive minds of recent history:

"good defense doesn't beat good offense anymore in college football. It's just like last week. Georgia has as good a defense as we do an offense, and we scored 41 points on them [in a 41-24 Alabama win]. That's not the way it used to be. It used to be if you had a good defense, other people weren't going to score. You were always going to be in the game. I'm telling you. It ain't that way anymore. I don't like it. But we just have to make sure we have an offense that's that way and that explosive, which we have."

That's Nick Saban, and he speaks truth. The "defense wins championships" mentality, which was true and formed generations of coaches, including ours, isn't true anymore.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

@mjdotson posted this on another board.

 

[TBCat]

@mjdotson posted this on another board.

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Looks like we are going to see a lot of jumbo packages. Not sure how I feel about that. We weren't good at all when we tried to go big and plow over people. When we did look good it was normally by spreading teams out. I also feel that there is going to be a lot of temptation to settle for the short dump off passes with these concepts. That's kind of what we were already doing. That's what got us into trouble. These plays look great as long as the defense cooperates by hanging in a deep zone. That's not how teams in the SEC defend us though. Run that same play except don't have the defense with 3 guys deep. Run it with only one deep and the other two defenders pressed up in to the flats that you are throwing that dump pass to.

I was never a fan of 12 personel sets. Gran tried to do that a lot and it was pretty unsuccessful. Also I'm afraid that this offense will exacerbate Stoops' already present tendency to junk the deep throws and just stick with the run. I wanted to see us create more space. I really wanted to see more down field throws. I like the use of play action but my expectation is that it should be used to create more down field throws. It feels like this system is more of a side to side passing game. I hate to be the pessimist here but this looks too similar to what we are already doing. I haven't seen anything that addresses the issues that made us fail yet.

 

[sluggercatfan]

True - but it's not just about fans being entertained. First, football is, at bottom, entertainment, and you're relying on people wanting to pay ticket prices to be entertained, so I don't understand folks that just dismiss that element (usually with a sneer). Second, more importantly, it impacts recruiting. If your style of choice is to win games 10-7, you're just not going to get high impact skill kids to play for you, at least not consistently. Third, most importantly, the game has changed. it just has. Here's one of the great defensive minds of recent history:

"good defense doesn't beat good offense anymore in college football. It's just like last week. Georgia has as good a defense as we do an offense, and we scored 41 points on them [in a 41-24 Alabama win]. That's not the way it used to be. It used to be if you had a good defense, other people weren't going to score. You were always going to be in the game. I'm telling you. It ain't that way anymore. I don't like it. But we just have to make sure we have an offense that's that way and that explosive, which we have."

That's Nick Saban, and he speaks truth. The "defense wins championships" mentality, which was true and formed generations of coaches, including ours, isn't true anymore.

Been preaching this +30 ppg scenario while getting villified... good post!

 

[sefus12]

Looks like we are going to see a lot of jumbo packages. Not sure how I feel about that. We weren't good at all when we tried to go big and plow over people. When we did look good it was normally by spreading teams out. I also feel that there is going to be a lot of temptation to settle for the short dump off passes with these concepts. That's kind of what we were already doing. That's what got us into trouble. These plays look great as long as the defense cooperates by hanging in a deep zone. That's not how teams in the SEC defend us though. Run that same play except don't have the defense with 3 guys deep. Run it with only one deep and the other two defenders pressed up in to the flats that you are throwing that dump pass to.

I was never a fan of 12 personel sets. Gran tried to do that a lot and it was pretty unsuccessful. Also I'm afraid that this offense will exacerbate Stoops' already present tendency to junk the deep throws and just stick with the run. I wanted to see us create more space. I really wanted to see more down field throws. I like the use of play action but my expectation is that it should be used to create more down field throws. It feels like this system is more of a side to side passing game. I hate to be the pessimist here but this looks too similar to what we are already doing. I haven't seen anything that addresses the issues that made us fail yet.

I’ll hold off judgement until I see the offense. Stoops and Coen have a lot riding on making this work.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Been preaching this +30 ppg scenario while getting villified... good post!

Did you just victim-post on a football board? 😝

Most football fans, including slugger, know that winning is far more entertaining to fans and recruits than losing and scoring 30 points. When UK started going to bowls, recruits saw that Stoops was building something, because they saw the wins.

That said every fan wants to win by 30 points. No doubt about it. I am just happy no one is clamoring for the air raid offense. The Stoops Era at UK has evidently disabused fans of that incessant chant. That is a good thing. Not that the Air Raid is bad, but having that singular mentality in the SEC or in football today is ignorant. Also, it signifies the growth under Stoops. People no longer think we need to gimmick our way to SEC wins.

 

[sluggercatfan]

Did you just victim-post on a football board? 😝

Most football fans, including slugger, know that winning is far more entertaining to fans and recruits than losing and scoring 30 points. When UK started going to bowls, recruits saw that Stoops was building something, because they saw the wins.

That said every fan wants to win by 30 points. No doubt about it. I am just happy no one is clamoring for the air raid offense. The Stoops Era at UK has evidently disabused fans of that incessant chant. That is a good thing. Not that the Air Raid is bad, but having that singular mentality in the SEC or in football today is ignorant. Also, it signifies the growth under Stoops. People no longer think we need to gimmick our way to SEC wins.

Going to be interesting to see what Leach's tenure at MST is like. It's about scoring by whatever means necessary. That is a must in today's CFB and that is not in question.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Going to be interesting to see what Leach's tenure at MST is like. It's about scoring by whatever means necessary. That is a must in today's CFB and that is not in question.

You need to score, no doubt, but you also need defense in the SEC. Leach cannot track-meet his way to real success in the SEC like you may be able to in the Big 12 or PAC 12. There are far too many Washington Huskies in the SEC to get away with that.

One myth was broken this year for Leach and that is he can take any QB and team and make his offense work. People doubled down on that myth after the LSU game. How did that work out? And, he did not have a slouch at QB.

His team scored 30 or more one time this year so far. MSU did that twice in the SEC last season under a failing coach with a shorter SEC season.

Time will tell.

 

[wildcatsboston1984]

Looks like we are going to see a lot of jumbo packages. Not sure how I feel about that. We weren't good at all when we tried to go big and plow over people. When we did look good it was normally by spreading teams out. I also feel that there is going to be a lot of temptation to settle for the short dump off passes with these concepts. That's kind of what we were already doing. That's what got us into trouble. These plays look great as long as the defense cooperates by hanging in a deep zone. That's not how teams in the SEC defend us though. Run that same play except don't have the defense with 3 guys deep. Run it with only one deep and the other two defenders pressed up in to the flats that you are throwing that dump pass to.

I was never a fan of 12 personel sets. Gran tried to do that a lot and it was pretty unsuccessful. Also I'm afraid that this offense will exacerbate Stoops' already present tendency to junk the deep throws and just stick with the run. I wanted to see us create more space. I really wanted to see more down field throws. I like the use of play action but my expectation is that it should be used to create more down field throws. It feels like this system is more of a side to side passing game. I hate to be the pessimist here but this looks too similar to what we are already doing. I haven't seen anything that addresses the issues that made us fail yet.

Maybe you should talk about something you actually know about because it’s not this.

 

[yoshukai]

Looking at their stats, the only thing they have more of rushing than passing is attempts. Seems just a chance to let receivers catch their breaths.

Are you watching the Bama-Fla game ? Do you see what I mean by Alabamas passing game playing off of their running game ?

 

[RV2]

Looks like we are going to see a lot of jumbo packages. Not sure how I feel about that. We weren't good at all when we tried to go big and plow over people. When we did look good it was normally by spreading teams out. I also feel that there is going to be a lot of temptation to settle for the short dump off passes with these concepts. That's kind of what we were already doing. That's what got us into trouble. These plays look great as long as the defense cooperates by hanging in a deep zone. That's not how teams in the SEC defend us though. Run that same play except don't have the defense with 3 guys deep. Run it with only one deep and the other two defenders pressed up in to the flats that you are throwing that dump pass to.

I was never a fan of 12 personel sets. Gran tried to do that a lot and it was pretty unsuccessful. Also I'm afraid that this offense will exacerbate Stoops' already present tendency to junk the deep throws and just stick with the run. I wanted to see us create more space. I really wanted to see more down field throws. I like the use of play action but my expectation is that it should be used to create more down field throws. It feels like this system is more of a side to side passing game. I hate to be the pessimist here but this looks too similar to what we are already doing. I haven't seen anything that addresses the issues that made us fail yet.

You either didn't watch that or you didn't understand what you watched.

 

[sluggercatfan]

You need to score, no doubt, but you also need defense in the SEC. Leach cannot track-meet his way to real success in the SEC like you may be able to in the Big 12 or PAC 12. There are far too many Washington Huskies in the SEC to get away with that.

One myth was broken this year for Leach and that is he can take any QB and team and make his offense work. People doubled down on that myth after the LSU game. How did that work out? And, he did not have a slouch at QB.

His team scored 30 or more one time this year so far. MSU did that twice in the SEC last season under a failing coach with a shorter SEC season.

Time will tell.

1st year on job in a season made by China...ML will be fine in the SEC.

 

[3kidsandme]

This guy knows his stuff has learned from some of the best offensive minds in the game. What we need is better skill guys and more of an emphasis on passing the ball. It literally looked like we did not practice throwing the ball under Gran. His Pass game concepts was awful and I put that on Hinshaw. Hell Neal Brown averaged near 30 PPG with a depleted roster his 2nd year as OC we never got that from Gran.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

1st year on job in a season made by China...ML will be fine in the SEC.

Maybe.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Revive this thread as fans get antsy about whether or not Coen will return next season.

 

[JHB4UK]

Hahaha

Not nearly enough JUMBO PACKAGE in 2021!!!!! How disappointing!!!

 

[rick64]

Liam Coen is likely a candidate for Rams next offensive coordinator

Sean McVay is looking for a new offensive coordinator. His former assistant, Kentucky's Liam Coen, might be the man for the coveted job.

www.on3.com

 

[Uncle Adolph]

Is Liams wife from California ?

 

[howercat]

He gone!