Bagley's family is living in Durham now, this was a done deal long ago and it didnt have anything to do with Mitch Barnhart or Sandy Bell.
Kentucky compliance...recruiting
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Sounds like OP should cheer for UL, they do things the way he likes.
I agree with you 90% of the time, but I can't go with you here.
Look, fair or not, Cal has to play by different rules. There's no legitimate debate on that.
His reputation, not that I agree, is that he's a dirty recruitor. If the NCAA, media, and sports talk people, are going to watch and react negatively to every thing Cal does that might seem shady, well, UK has to be as clean as a virgins honeypot. It's not fair, but, life sure as he'll isn't fair.
Some will never understand that some kids grow up not being UK fans. It just happens.
Only those who have an agenda believe that he's a dirty recruiter since he's been here. Totally agenda and hate.
This has to be one of the stupidest posts I've ever seen. Unless you're joking, you're saying we should cheat to win a national championship. If that's the way you feel there's a school down I-64 you need to go root for. Sounds like you'll fit right in there.
Rupp Arena would have been available for high school games for the whole season, because they would have disbanded our whole basketball program.
UK is not going to miss on Reddish-Williamson- Barrett. They will get at least one. At least.
Yeah we can't revert to the sky is falling because one top player wasn't interested in us. Like TJ said, he was never really interested.
Those that think so highly of Sandy and Mitch either do not live in Lexington or do not have any close contacts with UKAA outside of being a groupie. Plenty of former coaches, lettermen, donors, vendors, sponsors, media and others have seen some of the egregious actions resulting from their self proclaimed royalty.
Good grief, Duke offered this kid a scholly during his 9th grade year so they have been on him for years. His dad said that Duke wasn't the school he would have selected but his son was the one who selected Duke. Pulling a kid out of North Carolina is almost impossible with all of the major colleges in that state. Duke needs this kid due to their glaring weakness in the middle. We did not with 4 or 5 power forwards already on the team.
If you actually buy that Bagley wasn't interested in Kentucky, after having us at or near the top of his list for two years, you're naive.
The kid is an 18 year old who should be starting his junior year of high school right now, but instead he just enrolled to take college classes at a prestigious university in two weeks. There's one place that could happen.
USC is close to home and willing to take the gamble.
UCLA offers quarter class scheduling that would have made it more feasible.
But there's one place where Marvin Bagley could play college basketball in a month, and it just so happens they "guided" him through the reclassification process. Once he and his folks settled on the '17 class, he was never going to be allowed at Kentucky.
Just like Tre Duval begged for offers from major programs and only got one from Duke.
They're good enough as is, but factor in Capel's filth, the rules not applying to them, and K's sudden hunger for the One and Dones he said were ruining the sport, and that's a tough opponent to fight with one arm tied behind your back.
Problem is, there's nothing we can do. It isn't Sandy Bell's fault. She's doing what she has to, because if she gave these guys the greenlight, the NCAA wouldn't. We tried it with Kanter. So you either run the risk of a Rose retroactive vacation of the season or you land a recruit, he costs you another elite guy, and then he's ineligible and you get no one.
The kid is an 18 year old who should be starting his junior year of high school right now, but instead he just enrolled to take college classes at a prestigious university in two weeks. There's one place that could happen.
USC is close to home and willing to take the gamble.
UCLA offers quarter class scheduling that would have made it more feasible.
But there's one place where Marvin Bagley could play college basketball in a month, and it just so happens they "guided" him through the reclassification process. Once he and his folks settled on the '17 class, he was never going to be allowed at Kentucky.
Just like Tre Duval begged for offers from major programs and only got one from Duke.
They're good enough as is, but factor in Capel's filth, the rules not applying to them, and K's sudden hunger for the One and Dones he said were ruining the sport, and that's a tough opponent to fight with one arm tied behind your back.
Problem is, there's nothing we can do. It isn't Sandy Bell's fault. She's doing what she has to, because if she gave these guys the greenlight, the NCAA wouldn't. We tried it with Kanter. So you either run the risk of a Rose retroactive vacation of the season or you land a recruit, he costs you another elite guy, and then he's ineligible and you get no one.
Completely agree.
I also disagree that Cal was outsmarted. My understanding is that Cal and staff were aware of the possible reclassification as early as march.
Kanter would have played if he went to Dook. Plus did Bagley ever visit UK as a junior? If not that's a telling sign.
They were. Around the same time the "he's staying out west" rumors started. We started to fade the second '17 became a possibility, and it wasn't because Cal hadn't heard of some kid named Marvin Bagley III or because Nick Richards is on the roster.
Agree, I also think Cal made it known to the family that Bamba was still going to be a priority.
Who was the "insider" who came on here during Bamba recruitment and said he was told Bamba cooled on UK because Bagley was reclassifying and UK was favorite to get him. That was either made up out of whole cloth or something happened or someone advised against UK/Cal otherwise re: bringing Bagley in for this season.
Duke can lose 10 games and be a 2 seed while UK is a 4 seed with 4 losses.
An 18 yr old kid should NOT be starting his JR yr of HS now. He should be starting his SR yr, or starting his FR yr in college!
I was 17 yr old my first 2 weeks of college, and did not skip a grade. The same will happen to my 2 boys in a few years. It annoys the piss out of me that grown 18-19 yr old men, playing sports against 15-16-17 yr old kids.
We might be playing on an uneven playing field, but that has more to do with NCAA bias than anything else. Just look at the Kanter situation. He'd have played every game had he signed with Duke. It's for this reason I'm not a big fan of cutting corners. You know the NCAA is ready to pounce at the first hint of impropriety. Anyone remember the 500 win cake for chrissakes?
I'm far from a Mitch fan, but I'll take what we have over the shame Jurich has brought to our little brother.
I'm far from a Mitch fan, but I'll take what we have over the shame Jurich has brought to our little brother.
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This is about as spot on as it gets. Even in our 38-1 and AD tourney runs when we were the #1 overall seed still had the bracket loaded against us.
The OP's post and premise is utterly incomprehensible. Compliance and ethics come before anything else. The proposal sounds like something contrived by a demented grouping of UL fans and the filth from NC. If we buy a kid a dime store cupcake the NCAA would bury us under Rupp. Mitch, Sandy and Cal have done an amazing job of keeping us out of the same cesspool that is now the UL home court and soon to be for the NC scum.
I lived through the probation years at UK. I say leave it like it is and keep us on the good side. The players that Cal brings in are high character and make the grades. I am all in for Sandy Bell doing things the right way.
It's funny, I believe the football program is actually the one that needs to be "let loose" in regards to recruiting. I've long said that to compete in the SEC in football UK will need to bend, stomp, threaten and most likely break some rules.
However, I don't think we need or would want to do the same in basketball. Seems to me Cal is getting plenty of elite level players. But lately we always manage to be one player short of what we need. I still maintain that UK misses Orlando Antiqua far more than is commonly known. MJ even touched on it during his Tues. show. When Coach O wasn't brought back onto the UK staff, you could hear the entire college BB world breathe a sigh of relief.
However, I don't think we need or would want to do the same in basketball. Seems to me Cal is getting plenty of elite level players. But lately we always manage to be one player short of what we need. I still maintain that UK misses Orlando Antiqua far more than is commonly known. MJ even touched on it during his Tues. show. When Coach O wasn't brought back onto the UK staff, you could hear the entire college BB world breathe a sigh of relief.
Agree with that. Cal gets kids into the league. Some kids don't need to be gotten there.
It goes back farther than that. Don't forget in 03 when we were the overall #1 seed and had Wisconsin and Marquette in our bracket and had to play them in Minneapolis.
This. I don't know how much of a say, if any at all, Mitch has with who we recruit. But asking UK to ditch Sandy Bell or ask her to do worse at her job is begging for an NCAA violation. We need Sandy at the top of her game 24/7.
Although most of us know neither case was his fault, Cal has been the head coach of two schools put on probabation. I'm willing to bet if those schools had an administration like ours, and Bell in tow, they wouldn't of had those violations (although they wouldn't have gotten Camby or Rose ethier).
If there is ANY question marks with a recruit Kentucky will get a full investigation. We will not get UNC or Duke treatment. I wish we could recruit and play these questionable guys but Cal is playing it safe, and he still has in the hunt every year with incredible teams (minus one with the Noel team) by playing it safe.
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Those that think otherwise must not suffered through Emery-gate, Eddie Sutton, Chris Mills, Eric Manual, Sean Kemp, 13-18, 14-14, probation days.
I get you OP, but as someone who endured the late 80's, and at a time I was working with grads from schools all over the country, compliance, even all these years later is still paramount to me. That was truly a hellish time for UK basketball fans, and I never want to see any of us ever have to relive it.
Coach Cal is on shape to have his best class possibly in history. One of Barrett/Reddish, Quickley, Shittu/Bol and Williamson. I think that is at minimimum. Would be 4 top 10 players. Has a real chance at all 3 of Zion, Barrett, and Reddish which would be the top 3 players in tha nation on the same team.
Worry all you wantz but, Cal has a plan and championships are coming real soon.
Worry all you wantz but, Cal has a plan and championships are coming real soon.
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