If Ritter and Estep both transfer and Shultz, Rhodes and Anu all decide to sign I shudder to think about what our 2022 SEC win total may look like.
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Estep, to my understanding, was close with Guilliams. So, losing him was a last straw for Estep. He may have left anyway, but I think Guilliams leaving fully cemented it.
Haven't heard about another starter leaving. Could also be pitchers... don't know, but just saying not to forget that possibility.
Haven't heard about another starter leaving. Could also be pitchers... don't know, but just saying not to forget that possibility.
Good point. It will be interesting to see if Hagenow returns or looks for other opportunities. What a bizarre season he had.
At this point I am glad Mingione is returning.
Let him get a taste of his own medicine and get what he's got coming to him.
Mingione needs to go down with the ship in 2022.
Yeah Estep and Hagenow are no brainers.
Rigsby shocks me that he hasn't transferred yet.
Kessler on principal alone should be transferring.
Schultz and Rhodes value were both diminished greatly by moving them to corner
outfield positions in a draft year.
All of the above are in play.
Shoot even Ritter could be gone and he was treated better (playing time wise ) than
anyone else including Kessler etc.
If Im Schultz and Rhodes I would suspicious that Mingione didn't move them to a corner spot to
diminish their pro value in hopes they slip in money value enough to get them to return instead.
Both of them in Body and tools are outliers for what they should be in college ball.
A guy with Schultz athletecism being a left fielder is absurd.
diminish their pro value in hopes they slip in money value enough to get them to return instead.
Both of them in Body and tools are outliers for what they should be in college ball.
A guy with Schultz athletecism being a left fielder is absurd.
is it me or was it only 24. hours ago that Mingione said " I just won't everyone to know its not as bad as some people are trying to make you think it is "
lmao the ink wasn't even dry on that when Todd pearl harbored him haha
I just went back through the roster to try and make a guess of who it might be and wow
is this roster bad next year if everyone that I think will be gone, goes.
lmao the ink wasn't even dry on that when Todd pearl harbored him haha
I just went back through the roster to try and make a guess of who it might be and wow
is this roster bad next year if everyone that I think will be gone, goes.
Totally understand as I'm sure these situations are fluid. Thanks for the info.
Seems like we may be landing this guy in the transfer portal (credit to @CampbellSoup07 for the scoop)
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I thought Schultz played the majority of games this past year in center field? No? How is this a corner outfield spot? But regardless corner outfield or not where else you going to play him......This is logistical problem Mingione got into. Schultz should have stayed at 2nd. So the question I have was Estep just that good in fall ball? So good that it caused a log jam at 2nd with Lewis that it forced you to look at options to get Schultz on the field somewhere else? Offensively Schultz is better than Hill, but defensively Hill was superior.. I think the only thing we learned was Schultz didn’t have the feel for playing in the outfield but you could see him growing into it. The other thing is he didn’t have the arm for centerfield....so a corner spot was Going to the best for Austin if he was going to play out there.
The true issue was trying to force feed Anu into playing an outfield position. Defensively he was lost in space, no feel for the position. And later in the year it was proven that the only place you can play him is DH. This severely limited your options, code for keeping one of your best outfielders on the bench in Hill......and that’s why Hill is gone.
Then the same question comes to where should have we played Rhodes? He played 3rd in 2020. But you are not moving Church or Plastiak off of 3rd to play them somewhere else. And I do believe Rhodes acquitted himself extremely well, especially defensively in right field, showing off his strong arm. It’s also interesting to note that in some of the games where we pulled Collett in late game running situation we would move Rhodes down to cover to 1st base. Something to watch next year......if he stays around?
It would probably be one of the worst seasons in program history and I would hope Mitch gets his share of the blame.
I think we all can agree that Estep was good defensively but his offensive numbers were not good at all, especially in conference play. Anu should have been DH only or possibly first base.
No confirmation of that, but I think it's a real possibility. I believe he was close with Gulliams and him leaving might impact Estep's decision
I completely agree.
Yes, Anu should have only been a DH or first base, same a Harmon. But there was no way you are going to pull Collett off of first base. It really looked like Collett grew into a pretty reliable first baseman. To give Harmon a fair shot at playing we then had to force Anu in the outfield. which did not work from Anu’s defense and Harmon’s plate production. So we finally put Anu at the only position he was being successful at and that was DH’ing.
What we are really dancing around is the poor roster construction as we had these logjam of players who could just play one or two spots at most, trouble being some of those guys where just DH’s.
I cannot even stomach the thoughts of having to put up with another year of Nick Mingione. With the way we are losing players, we'll be lucky to win a single game against an SEC opponent next season. The guy should have already been fired. He is a walking disaster. Nothing is going to get better. The longer he is here, the worse things will actually get. Time to fire off another email to Mitch. It may prove useless, but it least I will be making my opinion known. That is about all we can do for now. Here's his email in case someone else wants to do likewise:
mbarn@uky.edu
I think we should focus on the angle of the players fleeing the program in droves and the turmoil between the players and coach. Losing games is one thing. Losing the team is something else entirely. Mitch needs to meet with some of these players and have a nice long chat about what is going on within this program. If he does, I don't see how he could retain Mingione for another minute, much less another season.
mbarn@uky.edu
I think we should focus on the angle of the players fleeing the program in droves and the turmoil between the players and coach. Losing games is one thing. Losing the team is something else entirely. Mitch needs to meet with some of these players and have a nice long chat about what is going on within this program. If he does, I don't see how he could retain Mingione for another minute, much less another season.
I have to admit, even though we have 10 or so players declare their intent to transfer I really do see any of them being completely devastating. To a point it’s part of the normal operation of D1 baseball and the conditions the stupid scholarship restrictions causes.
Yes Hill, Daniels and Marsh (can’t remember if he is leaving or not but I think so) are talented players who have shown the ability to contribute at this level but none are game changers. Each of these players my have maxed out their potential and have reached their ceilings or they could show us a lack of development from these coaches (as I am still looking for some good examples of all these players who have transferred out and be productive enough to make it look bad on us). There is a part of this that is normal........but........
Its the next phase of kids leaving that will make/break how much these transfers really effect us. Talking about players who take pro-contracts and forgoing future eligibilit, especially when coming back can improve your potential pro-contract prospects (specifically Schultz and Rhodes). So how many players fall into this category? The amount/quality of these players will be the determining factor (to me) in how bad these transfers truly are.
Yes Hill, Daniels and Marsh (can’t remember if he is leaving or not but I think so) are talented players who have shown the ability to contribute at this level but none are game changers. Each of these players my have maxed out their potential and have reached their ceilings or they could show us a lack of development from these coaches (as I am still looking for some good examples of all these players who have transferred out and be productive enough to make it look bad on us). There is a part of this that is normal........but........
Its the next phase of kids leaving that will make/break how much these transfers really effect us. Talking about players who take pro-contracts and forgoing future eligibilit, especially when coming back can improve your potential pro-contract prospects (specifically Schultz and Rhodes). So how many players fall into this category? The amount/quality of these players will be the determining factor (to me) in how bad these transfers truly are.
Would really like to see baseball scholarships increased from 11.7(a totally bizarre number IMO) to at least 15. With all the TV money really can't see why this can't happen.
well it would be one thing only having to stomache bad play.
I strongly disagree with playing the “ let’s see how good these guys do elsewhere “ game.
Kaden Polkavich was drafted in the 3rd round of the 2020 draft one year after being cut here by Mingione. That makes him the highest drafted position player of the Mingione era if I’m not mistaken.
If Rubalca had not been injured , and If Liebert Had played better at that moment , Kessler would be in the transfer portal and we would be categorizing his transfer as insignificant. As it turnEd out he was our best impact bat this season in the SEC wire to wire.
there are Many other examples
Yeah, it's sad knowing next season is going to be tragic making the next managers job that much harder to get back. All we can do is nobody go to a game and just wait it out till there is hope with another manager.
Anyone who thinks next year with mingione will be anything but disappointing hasn’t followed this program the last few years. We’re going to be terrible.
Look for Hill to end up staying in the SEC as well as 1 of the two l hinted earlier. 1 in east and 1 in the west.
Per Twitter, looks like Hill is going south to Florida and Stetson University.
You won’t grow the sport without it. Is the scholarship limit an NCAA thing, a UK thing, or an SEC thing? That’s one thing I have zero knowledge about.
It will be a ground up rebuild. The part that bothers me is the program will be so far down that Mitch will struggle again to get an established head coach unless he really opens up the checkbook. I think we all can agree Barnhart isn’t going to do that unless it’s for basketball.
This team only has a few impact players that have remaining eligibility anyway so you can’t really
Well Cam is gone.
What coach would want a player that would literally run through a wall for you right ?!
That one was 100% all the time. I know they said Schultz was the spark, but IMO Hill was, he made the game exciting. Going to miss that kind of play.
It’s an NCAA thing but most of the mid-majors don’t give out the full allotment. UK as well as the, I assume, the rest of P5 schools give the full 11.7.
Good to know. NCAA needs to up the scholarship amount to 17-18.
They won’t unfortunately since they said because of Title IV and they just changed it to 11.7 a while back because they had some formula. It’s a shame for baseball.
You should already know the answer to that, it already happened over a period of a decade to our football program. It took a strike, the loss of hundreds of millions of dollars, AND the SEC throwing unbelievable gobs of money at our athletic department to make something happen there. none of them will happen here, baseball just isn't that big in the overall picture.
But no doubt lack of money is not the problem now. just getting the program some attention before the program goes underground like football did.
And a large percentage of the people that fight that battle end up losing it. Too many billions of dollars made for it to go away by itself, Trump was building a wall and now not only is nothing being built, we are tearing down what was built. Plus all the terrorists given a free pass to enter our country. And the new VP won't even bother to go check on the problem, things will get even worse when she takes over.
Nothing to do with UK baseball. Take it to the political thread.
