Jones is shredding UK MBB right now

[JFCats22]

Here's a recap for those that can't listen. Getting more and more frustrated and sad by the day. For as much as they are different, it seems like Trump and Cal are also very similar. Apparently there is nobody that can get through to either or advise them on what's going on.

Matt Jones: Kentucky Basketball has major issues it needs to fix

Matt Jones shares the latest on what he’s hearing about the state of Kentucky Basketball program during a turbulent offseason.

www.on3.com

 

[ganner918]

Core group that could be great over the next couple of years? Of the players on the team now, who do you think will still be here ina couple of years?

Sheppard and Theiro only ones who might see jr year at Kentucky.

 

[kyjeff1]

Maybe the are making it impossible for Cal to compete, thus forcing him to voluntarily move on. No wasted money on the buyout or NILs. Could be as simple as money talks, and the boosters are/have voted.

The only issue I have with this thought is, anytime Cal has been backed into a corner, or challenged in any way, he always fought his ass off to win the challenge. Well, he doesn't seem to be doing that this time. It seems like his effort on NIL for players is minimal. It’s very odd.

 

[Cawood86]

No Jones fan, but part of what I listened to is exactly what folks are saying on here.

Cal has faultered on his job of leading this program. Nothing I hear or see gives me any kind of encouragement for next season.

 

[CatDiver]

Joined 12:04 today. Posted 12:07. lol

So which part do you disagree with? Or do you just like to use fallacies when the point sticks?

 

[502 Wildcat]

It's not even a matter of opinion anymore, this program is in a very very bad spot right now and there is no light at the end of the tunnel at this point.

MJ brings up a very good point about Cal being on an island. He is the sole cause for that, he is the Captain of the ship that crashed on his desolate little island, and that is making it very difficult to build any kind of positive momentum...recruiting and otherwise.

Kentucky Basketball has become North Korea.

 

[NociHTTP]

The only issue I have with this thought us, anytime Cal has been backed into a corner, or challenged in any way, he always fought his ass off to win the challenge. Well, he doesn't seem to be doing that this time. It seems like his effort on NIL for players is minimal. It’s very odd.

I think this goes a lot deeper than NIL. He can't get anyone to sign.

 

[Smashcat]

Sheppard and Theiro only ones who might see jr year at Kentucky.

I certainly hope they do.

 

[JBHolmesfan]

If we sign Somoto, Hart and Burks I’ll be excited. Could be an interesting and entertaining team with 2 sophs and all freshmen.

Could be terrific watching them develop and be the talk of the college bball or a disaster. Probably the former with a full roster.

Maybe not a true contender but a start of a new era with a core group that could be great over the next couple years.

Like to see UK go that route.

I don’t mean to be rude, but when has that ever happened at UK with Cal? We could have a young core that is set up for the future to be good. But then they’ll all leave at the end of the season. That’s what happens every year with Cal. Our team’s development cycle is October-April then we reset every single offseason.

 

[kyjeff1]

I think this goes a lot deeper than NIL. He can't get anyone to sign.

Yeah, I was just giving an example if his behavior right now. It doesn't appear to me like he is trying to.prove anyone wring, he’s just being a stubborn dumbass.

 

[dl51344]

When Jones says shit you all disagree with, you hate him and think he's a full-of-shit democrat. For instance, when he has criticized our basketball facilities, you all have gone off the rails on him. However, when he says something you all want to hear or want to be true, suddenly he is very knowledgeable and honest. Weird times.

Maybe its because it is right. Even though I disagree with Jones on many things he says, incl. politics, what he said about UK basketball today was right on target.

 

[Bkocats]

This is what I posted in a group chat I’m in:

The program is dead
There’s nothing left of what made us Kentucky basketball
I don’t care about winning or losing now. The only person I feel badly for is Reed Shepherd. He’s here because he’s a legacy..because his dad is a UK basketball great. I’m surprised Jeff even wants him here
And right now I’d far rather have Tubby back than move forward with Calipari
At least Tubby respected the program

 

[Runnin'Ramel]

When will fans stop going to madness, games? If people stop going to games I feel this would kinda force him out… But, I honestly feel this is his last year regardless.

Stopped going to Madness after the 2015 debacle. Used to go every year for 20 years prior. I've also stopped spending $$ traveling to away games, destination events, and summer exhibition tours. So, in that sense, I've done my part.

 

[Bluesbrother]

Listen to 11a hour on podcast (today's show)...yikes. Not going to regurgitate it all. Just an fyi to listen.

This is what you get when the dukie begins to hit the fan. I believe this all goes back to his grand plan of wholesale OAD. No one plays meaningful minutes except the incoming freshmen class ... year after year. Why would a sophomore-to-be or later want to hang around. They don't. Players want to play. WHOLESALE OAD is a poison to the Program because seniority means nothing ... experience means nothing to Cal. Draft status is everything. Well, that BS lie is being exposed for the fraud it is. Players don't want to even come here nor stay here. For the OADs ... if you aren't Lottery material, well, Cal must think you suck. Cal has become Karma Kal and karma is a beotch.

 

[ck-2]

WWW + Cal = success.
Without WWW = what we’ve had for the last several years. It’s not going to get any better. Cow is incapable of fixing what he’s created.

 

[Bluesbrother]

This is what I posted in a group chat I’m in:

The program is dead
There’s nothing left of what made us Kentucky basketball
I don’t care about winning or losing now. The only person I feel badly for is Reed Shepherd. He’s here because he’s a legacy..because his dad is a UK basketball great. I’m surprised Jeff even wants him here
And right now I’d far rather have Tubby back than move forward with Calipari
At least Tubby respected the program

Nice post and so true.

 

[kywildcats4life]

WWW + Cal = success.
Without WWW = what we’ve had for the last several years. It’s not going to get any better. Cow is incapable of fixing what he’s created.

The #1 recruiting class? WWW didn't coach or alter on court performance. No one can force the likes of Victor W etc. to come play at KY. Was the G league around when WWW was around the program? Scoot Henderson etc. Times have changed. It's not all Cal's fault as some suggest.

 

[tomrain]

If we sign Somoto, Hart and Burks I’ll be excited. Could be an interesting and entertaining team with 2 sophs and all freshmen.

Could be terrific watching them develop and be the talk of the college bball or a disaster. Probably the former with a full roster.

Maybe not a true contender but a start of a new era with a core group that could be great over the next couple years.

Like to see UK go that route.

No disrespect, but what in the world, based on the last few years, would lead you to believe any of them stick around long enough to develop?

 

[8thoneder]

When Cal was at Memphis, he hated having to scrap, claw, and fight to get the best recruits. Go back and listen to his comments around that time when he first came to Kentucky. His hope was his charisma and Kentucky would sell itself. For a while, it did. NIL has changed things and he doesn't seem to understand that. Or he doesn't want to understand that. I'm not sure which it is, but it is undeniable.

 

[Bluesbrother]

The first hour is already up so the second should be shortly after noon or 1. I listen here:

KSR podcasts

Thank you for the link.

 

[Bluesbrother]

I know you're poking fun at UK fans, but to clear up the nonsense. The "core" isn't sticking around for a couple of years. They'll either be drafted or transfer.

Exactly ... and it's the direct result of Wholesale OAD. Why would returning players hang around when winning is secondary to Cal.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

So a dookie is trashing UK and some UK fans care?

You're not a Kentucky fan, so there's that.

 

[Bluesbrother]

I think we are all just heartsick about the state of the program.

Spot on. I haven't heard it stated just that way but, you're exactly right.

 

[NociHTTP]

When Cal was at Memphis, he hated having to scrap, claw, and fight to get the best recruits. Go back and listen to his comments around that time when he first came to Kentucky. His hope was his charisma and Kentucky would sell itself. For a while, it did. NIL has changed things and he doesn't seem to understand that. Or he doesn't want to understand that. I'm not sure which it is, but it is undeniable.

Everyone wants to keep pointing at NIL as the problem, but it's not the problem. Why can you not see that? The problem is Cal. He can't coach or develop his guys, and he guarantees minutes to recruits and follows through on that unless it's absolutely too late. There is no continuity in Cal's system. I'll agree with you on his ego. But not wanting to be on board with NIL isn't a bad thing, either (I can't stand Cal, but I also hate NIL). If there was no such thing as NIL, how would you feel about Cal?

 

[Blueaz]

I don't get the hate. The guy provides a service for UK fans and for whatever reason, we hate the guy. Weird.

Cal?

 

[sluggercatfan]

This is what you get when the dukie begins to hit the fan. I believe this all goes back to his grand plan of wholesale OAD. No one plays meaningful minutes except the incoming freshmen class ... year after year. Why would a sophomore-to-be or later want to hang around. They don't. Players want to play. WHOLESALE OAD is a poison to the Program because seniority means nothing ... experience means nothing to Cal. Draft status is everything. Well, that BS lie is being exposed for the fraud it is. Players don't want to even come here nor stay here. For the OADs ... if you aren't Lottery material, well, Cal must think you suck. Cal has become Karma Kal and karma is a beotch.

What was it Wallace said again? Paraphrasing...get the hell in and get the hell out asap!

 

[Bluesbrother]

Every basketball analyst is seeing what's happening here and they're just waiting.

Unless Cal pulls multiple rabbits out of his hat, we're looking at a disastrous season and when it happens and the BBN really goes after Cal, nobody should say the fans are out of their minds for turning on this guy.

He’s bringing the hate upon himself. He wanted to be on top of the mountain, well, he got his wish and now he can’t hide.

For several years now, the fans are refusing to continue hiding him. He's been exposed for what he's always been. The masses are finally turning on him and know that a normal coach would make positive adjustments willingly. Cal is broken and refuses any remedy. He would rather go down while dragging UK down with him. Swell guy.

 

[Bluesbrother]

What was it Wallace said again? Paraphrasing...get the hell in and get the hell out asap!

... something like that. Speaking for himself and Livingston, Wallace said, "Get their one year in and get out".

 

[Bluesbrother]

No Jones fan, but part of what I listened to is exactly what folks are saying on here.

Cal has faultered on his job of leading this program. Nothing I hear or see gives me any kind of encouragement for next season.

Cal has offered no proper stewardship for the Program. How could this fact not be "expected" legally in his contract?

 

[UKAlum84]

You got to take what you can get and IMPROVE the program.

Has that happened over say past 5 years?

No, it's been average or even below average. Not much expression from the coaches on the performance of the teams over the past 5 years....It's like we are just trying to get by without much positive direction.

Coach Cal has always had potential for greatness. For some reason, we are just seeing average coaching...

Maybe the playing field has been leveled down by more teams getting better players.

 

[AGEE11]

No Jones fan, but part of what I listened to is exactly what folks are saying on here.

Cal has faultered on his job of leading this program. Nothing I hear or see gives me any kind of encouragement for next season.

That all Jones ever says, what he reads on here

 

[8thoneder]

Everyone wants to keep pointing at NIL as the problem, but it's not the problem. Why can you not see that? The problem is Cal. He can't coach or develop his guys, and he guarantees minutes to recruits and follows through on that unless it's absolutely too late. There is no continuity in Cal's system. I'll agree with you on his ego. But not wanting to be on board with NIL isn't a bad thing, either (I can't stand Cal, but I also hate NIL). If there was no such thing as NIL, how would you feel about Cal?

I am not pointing to NIL as the problem. The problem is the coach and his unwillingness to adapt to a changing environment. You and I can not be on board with NIL all we want, but it's still a reality. If you don't adapt to it, you're going to be left behind.

 

[Wildcats1st]

When will fans stop going to madness, games? If people stop going to games I feel this would kinda force him out… But, I honestly feel this is his last year regardless.

That’s not going to fix things. Cal won’t budge until he’s booed off the court and made to feel unwelcome around town

 

[USMC Cat]

Oooof...

That was rough.

But accurate.🤷‍♂️

 

[TankedCat]

This is what I posted in a group chat I’m in:

The program is dead
There’s nothing left of what made us Kentucky basketball
I don’t care about winning or losing now. The only person I feel badly for is Reed Shepherd. He’s here because he’s a legacy..because his dad is a UK basketball great. I’m surprised Jeff even wants him here
And right now I’d far rather have Tubby back than move forward with Calipari
At least Tubby respected the program

Could you imagine saying that ever? I mean seriously, Cal has tanked so badly that Tubby has been seen in a whole new light with the fans.

 

[UKAlum88]

M. Jones repeats what he reads on here, you all listen and think you both think alike. You think since both of y’all think that way, it must be true. You keep listening because you want the same satisfaction that someone agrees with you again and again. When it comes down to it, neither of you have a clue and just ramble on mindlessly.

 

[UK90]

At least Tubby respected the program

The difference is Tubby seemed to understand that the program really belonged to the people of Kentucky and he was just its caretaker. Thus he didn't try to change the basic way it was run or alter any longstanding traditions (such as the Maui trips, the Indiana rivalry, the home and home series, his media obligations, etc.) to suit his personal tastes.

Whereas Cal acts like he owns the program. He sees it as the Calipari basketball program far more than the Kentucky program. What the alums, boosters, local media and fans think about how it should be run doesn't mean squat to him. The only thing that truly matters is what he wants.

And, thanks to that lifetime contract, he's kinda right. Mitch effectively surrendered ALL UK program control to him on that day.

 

[TankedCat]

The difference is Tubby seemed to understand that the program really belonged to the people of Kentucky and he was just its caretaker. Thus he didn't try to change the basic way it was run or alter any longstanding traditions (such as the Maui trips, the Indiana rivalry, the home and home series, his media obligations, etc.) to suit his personal tastes.

Whereas Cal acts like he owns the program. He sees it as the Calipari basketball program far more than the Kentucky program. What the alums, boosters, local media and fans think about how it should be run doesn't mean squat to him. The only thing that truly matters is what he wants.

And, thanks to that lifetime contract, he's kinda right. Mitch effectively surrendered ALL UK program control to him on that day.

man, I get pissed reading that

 

[NociHTTP]

I am not pointing to NIL as the problem. The problem is the coach and his unwillingness to adapt to a changing environment. You and I can not be on board with NIL all we want, but it's still a reality. If you don't adapt to it, you're going to be left behind.

And I'm okay with that. To me, it's part of standing up for what I believe in. Too many people claim to stand up for what they believe in, but they quickly change their minds when it's convenient. That environment that Cal is responsible for adapting to, does not include NIL, if that's his belief. He was not hired to deal with NIL. But he definitely is not a very good coach, or even a good fit for UK at this point for many reasons that have nothing to do with NIL.

 

[NociHTTP]

man, I get pissed reading that

Wasn't it Al McGuire that stated something about UK's basketball program and how it relates to the coach?