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That's part of that special tourney, whatever it's called, just like the CBS one we play with UNC. Something 6 of 7 of these cupcakes are sub 300 on KenPom or Sagarin. That's just totally unacceptable.

Edit: what do you mean by logistics? Gonzaga has played UCLA, Duke and Villanova all in the last two weeks.
Gonzaga has to. We don't.
 
Did you ever go to the UKIT? I did every year for a long time. We played shit in those games. We've always played cupcakes early. Sure, maybe a game in Freedom Hall in December against Digger Phelps or Kansas, before they actually became Kansas. This isn't new.
That was only 1 or 2 games, not 2 months.
 
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To this day I’ve never seen a coach, at any level, rip apart a guy the way Cal ripped up Antonio Anderson. Brutal, to the point where I really felt bad for AA. But he ended up being one of Cals best defenders he’s ever had, and that includes UK. I had the fortune of being 1 of a few people that made it in to some closed practices between 2005-2007 during his UM days.

I don’t care what you personally believe. Anderson has even discussed it. He almost just had to quit. And yea it was physical.

Cal isn’t what some of you think but believe what you want.
Saint Cal seems more a Richard Cranium of late. Haughty attitudes and hubris are not so endearing especially coming off a 9 win season. With that said, this team is very fun to watch!
 
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In 2002/2003 we played 13 games in Rupp. Other than conference games, we played High Point, Michigan State, Tennessee State, Alcorn State, and Notre Dame. That is 5 out of conference games. At least we are playing more games at home now. We are playing Louisville at home, and Notre Dame just happens to be on the road in a home and home. This year we will have played 9 home games before December 8th. In 2002 we had played 1 by then.
 
Yeah man, we talk.

It’s to suggest other players like them that I’m not naming because there are way too many.

How was that a great post? It was an stupid post because he totally fails to mention Josh Allen and Benny Snell. Our best defensive player and running back in school history.
And you failed to mention Darius Miller winning a national championship (emphasis on national) so I guess two can play that game. You wax poetic about things that aren’t true given this years best player is a one and done for us in football. Did that take away your enjoyment in watching him? Because it sure didn’t to me, I don’t care about that. If your biased for another reason just come out and say it, otherwise your assessment is incorrect
 
In 2002/2003 we played 13 games in Rupp. Other than conference games, we played High Point, Michigan State, Tennessee State, Alcorn State, and Notre Dame. That is 5 out of conference games. At least we are playing more games at home now. We are playing Louisville at home, and Notre Dame just happens to be on the road in a home and home. This year we will have played 9 home games before December 8th. In 2002 we had played 1 by then.
UK got screwed in the big 12 challenge too. Lost their home game last year and got sent to Kansas this year.
 
And you failed to mention Darius Miller winning a national championship (emphasis on national) so I guess two can play that game. You wax poetic about things that aren’t true given this years best player is a one and done for us in football. Did that take away your enjoyment in watching him? Because it sure didn’t to me, I don’t care about that. If your biased for another reason just come out and say it, otherwise your assessment is incorrect
If you’re coming to play a game, you better bring all your pieces then. Miller wasn’t a Cal recruit, that’s ole Billy G. And again, Stoops didn’t build UK football up with one and dones. I go back to Josh Allen and Benny Snells as examples.
 
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If you’re coming to play a game, you better bring all your pieces then. Miller wasn’t a Cal recruit, that’s ole Billy G. And again, Stoops didn’t build UK football up with one and dones. I go back to Josh Allen and Benny Snells as examples.
And Cal won a championship with him playing him 3 of his 4 years here. Or are you one of those that don’t give credit to Tubby because he had Pitino players? Good job deflecting on WanDale, because you know it’s true. If I see revisionist history I will say my peace on it simple as that.
 
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And Cal won a championship with him playing him 3 of his 4 years here. Or are you one of those that don’t give credit to Tubby because he had Pitino players? Good job deflecting on WanDale, because you know it’s true. If I see revisionist history I will say my peace on it simple as that.
Great post
 
And Cal won a championship with him playing him 3 of his 4 years here. Or are you one of those that don’t give credit to Tubby because he had Pitino players? Good job deflecting on WanDale, because you know it’s true. If I see revisionist history I will say my peace on it simple as that.
I’m not revising shit. I always gave tubby the credit for what he accomplished here. I loved and to this day still love Tubby. As far as Wandale goes, time will tell. I’m sure he’ll leave. All signs are pointing at that, but to use him as your silver bullet is absurd. One kid from KY who transferred here and will leave and you think you just made me look like a fool? Get real kid.
 
Why is this
Yeah man, we talk.

It’s to suggest other players like them that I’m not naming because there are way too many.

How was that a great post? It was an stupid post because he totally fails to mention Josh Allen and Benny Snell. Our best defensive player and running back in school history.
It's a great post because you are starting to see college football gonna similar route. I never knew it was so hard to be a fan of your school. It sounds rough
 
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In 2002/2003 we played 13 games in Rupp. Other than conference games, we played High Point, Michigan State, Tennessee State, Alcorn State, and Notre Dame. That is 5 out of conference games. At least we are playing more games at home now. We are playing Louisville at home, and Notre Dame just happens to be on the road in a home and home. This year we will have played 9 home games before December 8th. In 2002 we had played 1 by then.
How many of those were KenPom/Sag sub 300 teams? 6 out of this paltry 7 are last I saw. It's not that they're no name teams. It's that they're horseshyt no name teams.

Ohio is a fine tuneup game. 0-5 Albany and 1-4 North Florida are not. You want to hand out charity games to Barbee and Tubby, I'm all for it. That's what those games are for. Hook up Morehead. Murray. For feck's sake, play WKU. But don't give me this bullshyt about Albany and NoFlo and the other no names I've forgotten. We have no reason to schedule them. Ever. You may end up with one in a year where it's prescheduled and they come in limping. 6 of 7? GTFO here with that nonsense. It's beneath Kentucky.
 
I’m not revising shit. I always gave tubby the credit for what he accomplished here. I loved and to this day still love Tubby. As far as Wandale goes, time will tell. I’m sure he’ll leave. All signs are pointing at that, but to use him as your silver bullet is absurd. One kid from KY who transferred here and will leave and you think you just made me look like a fool? Get real kid.
I don’t think I’m trying to make you a fool. I’m just correcting the hypocrisy in your diatribe. I’m a fan of Josh Allen just like I’m a fan of Anthony Davis. If we are to continue success in football we will need more transfers like WanDale that stop by for a year, because every other team will be beating us to the punch if not, kid
 
How many of those were KenPom/Sag sub 300 teams? 6 out of this paltry 7 are last I saw. It's not that they're no name teams. It's that they're horseshyt no name teams.

Ohio is a fine tuneup game. 0-5 Albany and 1-4 North Florida are not. You want to hand out charity games to Barbee and Tubby, I'm all for it. That's what those games are for. Hook up Morehead. Murray. For feck's sake, play WKU. But don't give me this bullshyt about Albany and NoFlo and the other no names I've forgotten. We have no reason to schedule them. Ever. You may end up with one in a year where it's prescheduled and they come in limping. 6 of 7? GTFO here with that nonsense. It's beneath Kentucky.
Do you not like 9 home games instead of 1?
 
If you’re coming to play a game, you better bring all your pieces then. Miller wasn’t a Cal recruit, that’s ole Billy G. And again, Stoops didn’t build UK football up with one and dones. I go back to Josh Allen and Benny Snells as examples.
This year's football team would be 5/7 without Levis, Robinson, Jones and Rosenthall, who all transferred in this year, potentially for one year.
 
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Do you not like 9 home games instead of 1?
Do you not like playing respectable opponents? Believe it or not, it actually matters:

Using the quadrant system, which was in its fourth season in 2020-21, the quality of wins and losses will be organized based on game location and the opponent's NET ranking.


  • Quadrant 1: Home 1-30, Neutral 1-50, Away 1-75
  • Quadrant 2: Home 31-75, Neutral 51-100, Away 76-135
  • Quadrant 3: Home 76-160, Neutral 101-200, Away 135-240
  • Quadrant 4: Home 161-353, Neutral 201-353, Away 241-353

The number of Quadrant 1 wins and Quadrant 3/4 losses will be incredibly important when it comes time for NCAA tournament selection and seeding.





7 QUADRANT 4 GAMES WOOOOOOOO FUXK YES BBN LETS GO WOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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But I have been too busy here keeping up with football news in the Lair to notice.
I tried to tune in Coach Stoops’ radio show, but it must have been bumped for a basketball game.

We were about to play Central Michigan.
 
To this day I’ve never seen a coach, at any level, rip apart a guy the way Cal ripped up Antonio Anderson. Brutal, to the point where I really felt bad for AA. But he ended up being one of Cals best defenders he’s ever had, and that includes UK. I had the fortune of being 1 of a few people that made it in to some closed practices between 2005-2007 during his UM days.

I don’t care what you personally believe. Anderson has even discussed it. He almost just had to quit. And yea it was physical.

Cal isn’t what some of you think but believe what you want.
Wouldn't it be great to have that Cal as our coach !!

Anyway count me in with the OP , I just discussed it in another thread .. I just placed a UK Blue FOOTBALL helmet sticker on my rather cool blacked out Dodge Ram , who would have thought a hoops fan of 50 years that NEVER paid our football team any attention until 5-6 years ago would be hyping the gridiron Cats and readily admit I dont any passion about our hoops team at all. I have no desire to go see them play -- and I've been to Atlanta , B'ham , Tuscaloosa , Knoxville, Starkville , Vegas twice , let alone the trips to Rupp ... but not anymore . Football is a better product as the NCAA has ruined basketball , add in Cal being an asshole to the fans and this is where. we are at .
 
A few here, myself included, have been saying this for awhile now. I don’t post much anymore, but when I do it’s on the Lair, not Rafters. Would be the same if I was able to attend games. I would go to Kroger, not Rupp. Cal can suck it. He lost me, and won’t get me back. Now I’m not naive enough to think he cares, but if enough do the same, he will. And it’s coming. Ok, now waiting for Edd and Bass to slam my post and this thread. Popcorn is waiting.
Jiffy Popp or the one with the college football coach sounding last name... Redenbacher.
 
Did you ever go to the UKIT? I did every year for a long time. We played shit in those games. We've always played cupcakes early. Sure, maybe a game in Freedom Hall in December against Digger Phelps or Kansas, before they actually became Kansas. This isn't new.
There were several reasons the quality of the UKIT fell off. When Rupp started it, it was designed and set up to draw the best four teams available. For many years only the best were invited to the UKIT. We saw Jerry West, Guy Temple just to name a few.

It was one of the first "Holiday Tournaments" and paid the best even without television. Then other cities started playing holiday tournaments including New York. As more and more came on the scene the quality started to fall off

But you can not compare the schedules of Joe B and Adolph Rupp with Pitino and Calipari. These two were the first to schedule the worst of the worst teams. Rupp and Joe B never ducked anyone other than the instate schools and there was a reason for that.
 
Ok, I see what you're saying now. But I just don't consider UK a powerhouse in basketball anymore. That's my take. We have a losing record in the Championship classic against Mich st, Kansas, and Duke. We haven't made a final four appearance since 2015 and recruiting hasn't been the same. Now with Antigua back, we have the number 1 class coming in and we'll see how that goes. Maybe once Cal starts making deep runs in the tournament and beating KU, Duke, and MSU fans will flock back and overlook the holier than thou personality. But till then, the seats will remain empty.
We are still a powerhouse basketball school. A few bad years does not erase that. Look at mid 80's and the latter years of Tubby and the Drunk (that would make a good comedy show title). We have always had a few years down the line where we had problems but always come back. Pitino years brought us back as did Cal's first 5 years riding the wave of the one and done's and now heavy into the transfer years it looks as if that will be the future for now. This year has the potential to be better than I think some believe but, it will take fight and the machine to get into sync. The fight will have to come down low with I think Ware and Toppin getting tougher. The Duke game this year was already decided when coach krapashevky announced he would retire at the end of the season (see foul shot discrepancies in the UK and Gonzaga games) so, our fans will have to wait now until we get into Jan and start playing better competition to see where we really are.

I agree however that he (Cal) has lost a lot of the fan base for now but winning will bring most back.
 
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Exactly. If you’re objective it’s easy to see. I r never missed UK games until Cal. Ever. My father is as die hard as it gets, never misses a game for 50 years. He hasn’t seen a game this season besides the first two.

The only way you can’t understand this is if your immediate reaction is to defend Calipari.

It’s okay to schedule some bad opponents, sht I want him to. But you’ve got to stop with the Owl State online games and at least schedule names people have heard.


this is literally all he has to do to improve this.

Form a new game.
Cincy - see if they want a new home and neutral (played in Ohio) game. They probably will.
Western Ky
Eastern Ky
Florida State - See if they have interests in a home and neutral (in Florida)
Get UNC back on the schedule home and home
Kansas - home and home
Cupcake
Cupcake
New yearly game between UK and UCLA home and home
Cupcake
SEC okay.

Just whatever. And yea he can do it, he knows he can improve this, the problem is (if we’re honest) he’d lose too much. He couldn’t win at a consistent clip playing those games. So instead of him changing his approach he wants to play scrubs because he knows the SEC slate with his young players on the road will result in lots of losses and his job gone.

These coaches are running scared and I wish the right people would have enough of it.
I"ve been saying this for awhile

UK fans just want to see games that interest them. They would love to see UK play Murray St, Western Ky, UC, WV, there is no shortage of teams we could schedule that would generate fan interest without putting the team thru the ringer.

it doesn't have to be major games like UNC and Kansas (although they would want them).

This scheduling is just straight up chicken sh** nonsense. Its beneath UK and it doesn't serve the program, it only serves Cal's agenda.

and if you don't think Cal has any control over the schedule, go read his contract. Nothing gets scheduled without his approval.

I don't understand anyone defending this schedule. or Cal's approach. Yes, there is Kansas , Duke and Notre Dame but Rupp isn't the the beneficiary of any of it.

Its a joke and Cal should be called out for it after every game.
 
UK is a basketball school that’s wanting so bad to be a football school and there is nothing wrong with that. Football has very little history of championships with only 20 bowl games since 1947.
so Basketball > Football by a long shot. Btw more than half of the bowl games played are just participation bowl games so the conference can get their money.
 
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UK is a basketball school that’s wanting so bad to be a football school and there is nothing wrong with that. Football has very little history of championships with only 20 bowl games since 1947.
so Basketball > Football by a long shot. Btw more than half of the bowl games played are just participation bowl games so the conference can get their money.

I wish football would be more like every other sport and have a real tournament (not just 4 teams/3 games) to determine the national champ. IAA has 24 teams...how cool would it have been to be UK this year and playing last weekend or this coming weekend in the playoff against 12 seed Pittsburgh. Yeah, it would mean a road trip to Pitt instead of a road trip to FL for fans but it would be a meaningful game. Then if we won it is on to ND for a date with the Irish. Bowl season is just so boring and the boringness could remain, but let's have more games that matter.

The thing with UK specifically though is there is no reason we cannot be both. We have the resources to do well in both most seasons.
 
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*****Breaking News**** In your lifetime you will never see Kentucky Football win a title...I'd be willing to bet they never win the SEC... Basketball >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Football

That is probably true for a vast number of reasons...number one being playing in the SEC and it is only going to get tougher once OU and Texas join...especially if that means Bama moves to East. It is hard to out recruit those at the top even though Stoops is recruiting very well (class 10-12 right now for 2022 class), and football is an extremely top heavy champion sport at the IA level. You know Bama or OSU or Clemson or someone like them is probably winning it all every season. When they don't it is another top team like a LSU or FSU and so on.

My point is, you really do not see non-historically great programs win the national title in college football. I have to go back 30 years to see someone strange (Washington and then GA Tech/Colorado, that shared a title) and out of the ordinary. One might argue UT winning was strange (LOL) but they had prior success. The way football handled out national titles like candy on Halloween diluted who has won them back in the day as well. We have really only had a legit/solid way of determining a champ since 1998.

You are not seeing a Baylor or UVA win in football anytime soon...or a up and comer like a 2002 Maryland or a 2003 Syracuse even. FL winning it in 2006 and 2007 was also surprising given their history.
 
I think all fans want is to know that come March the team has a CHANCE to do damage. That’s it. Plain and simple. We have NO chance as of now and that pisses people off BAD.
 
I was listening to KSR this morning and a caller said to Matt something along the lines of Cal continuing to preach and talk down to the fan base. Matt agreed and said he's tired of Cal doing this. Lemon then chimed in and said it probably has to do with Cal looking up to the seats and seeing all the empty seats.

Well here's my thoughts. As long as Cal is HC of basketball and Stoops is HC of football, this is going to be a football school. I know that's blasphemy to some, but let's think about this. Since 2015 football has being going up and basketball has been going down. Cal gets on these soap boxes and really does talk down to the fans like we're a bunch of idiots. Now with a fanbase this large, we're going to have some morons in the crowd, however we are the most dedicated, passionate fans in all of college athletics. No one compares. So yeah, we're going to have our opinions because we are just, if not more, invested in UK as he is.

Two: Football has given us something to enjoy that basketball has taken away from us. And that is watching players develop and becoming household names. We got to watch Benny break that record against PSU and when he did it was emotional for all of us because we watched him grow and earn that spot. Instead of having to learn a new player every 6 months we become eager to see players like Levis, Crod, McClain, Paschal, Jackson, Wright, come back and become better. I just don't feel that is a luxury we get in basketball anymore whether that's Cal's fault or not. Therefore we can be more invested in the product we are paying to watch.

Three: Football fans are not as entitled. Where basketball has always been great for the exception of a few bad coaches, we've always been a blue blood basketball program. Now with Stoops we are witnessing a basement dweller rise and compete. That is exciting! That is just so enjoyable to watch. Basketball expectations are weird. Cal just wants to put players in the NBA while the fanbase wants to beat Duke, Kansas, UNC, and make it far in the tournament (which has not happened since 2015).

I'm posting this here because I don't see this going over well in Rupps Rafters and find myself spending more time in this forum then the other. So yeah, what do you guys think? I'm curious where other fans are at mentally about this.

I'm posting this here because
If Cal had won the games he was suppose to win, this would not be an issue. It is all about the Ws and Ls and we have had far too many Ls in the past 6 years for the #1 college basketball program. Cal should have been focused on performance the past 6 years instead selling snake oil phrases such as the "Gold Standard" "Kentucky always eats First" etc etc. This is what the fan base is pissed about and yes even Cal should be able to recognize and even embrace this simple logic.
 
It’s almost Christmas and it seems like the season hasn’t even started, it’s just weird
Playing a bunch of nobody’s, games scheduled really far apart, games not televised, not in any holiday tournaments, play has been awful.
Wonder why people can’t get into it?
 
I was listening to KSR this morning and a caller said to Matt something along the lines of Cal continuing to preach and talk down to the fan base. Matt agreed and said he's tired of Cal doing this. Lemon then chimed in and said it probably has to do with Cal looking up to the seats and seeing all the empty seats.

Well here's my thoughts. As long as Cal is HC of basketball and Stoops is HC of football, this is going to be a football school. I know that's blasphemy to some, but let's think about this. Since 2015 football has being going up and basketball has been going down. Cal gets on these soap boxes and really does talk down to the fans like we're a bunch of idiots. Now with a fanbase this large, we're going to have some morons in the crowd, however we are the most dedicated, passionate fans in all of college athletics. No one compares. So yeah, we're going to have our opinions because we are just, if not more, invested in UK as he is.

Two: Football has given us something to enjoy that basketball has taken away from us. And that is watching players develop and becoming household names. We got to watch Benny break that record against PSU and when he did it was emotional for all of us because we watched him grow and earn that spot. Instead of having to learn a new player every 6 months we become eager to see players like Levis, Crod, McClain, Paschal, Jackson, Wright, come back and become better. I just don't feel that is a luxury we get in basketball anymore whether that's Cal's fault or not. Therefore we can be more invested in the product we are paying to watch.

Three: Football fans are not as entitled. Where basketball has always been great for the exception of a few bad coaches, we've always been a blue blood basketball program. Now with Stoops we are witnessing a basement dweller rise and compete. That is exciting! That is just so enjoyable to watch. Basketball expectations are weird. Cal just wants to put players in the NBA while the fanbase wants to beat Duke, Kansas, UNC, and make it far in the tournament (which has not happened since 2015).

I'm posting this here because I don't see this going over well in Rupps Rafters and find myself spending more time in this forum then the other. So yeah, what do you guys think? I'm curious where other fans are at mentally about this.

I'm posting this here because

You may like football more than basketball and that is totally fine, it is great.

That said, this is and forever will be a "basketball school"
 
Doesn’t matter where…. Maybe there’s more UK fan base that’s basketball first, or basketball only….and that’s OK. But football as a spectator sport beats basketball hands down …. And I started as a UK basketball fan
Why do you say football as a spectator sport beats basketball hands down. I say tailgating is the bigger draw than the actual football game. I will give credit to football for having one thing that I wish could happen in basketball. The refs are not near as noticeable in football. With 22 players going at it at once fans usually except the calls on the field a lot better and there is much less complaining about the calls. If you win you were the better team and if you loose you were beaten by the better team. Big upsets don't happen much in football.
 
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