He gone … unvaccinated Vikings coach

[Lost In FL]

He also writes better quality fiction than this

Kid is a savant, or has a ghost writer.
for you lazy sob's, who clearly don't give a dam about what you put into your body.

The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) Request

wonder.cdc.gov

Welcome

www.openvaers.com

My point ... I'll wait several years and see how this "vaccine" plays out. It has been approved for emergency use only. If you want to jump off the cliff with the rest of the sheep, I'm okay with that. I hope you make the best choice for you.

 

[BARRYBLUE1]

According to the CDC, a few weeks ago, more people died from complications due to the vaccine than from complications due to the disease. The total number is now nearing 70K.

People either don't hear about this, because of $$$ or because they are too busy lighting candles at the alter of Fraudci.

False information

 

[Father Torque]

Are you too lazy to look or too stupid? If you want to be ignorant, then that is your choice. I want to be free, that is my choice.

And I don't do FB. Thx.

Yeh, you're right, you just looked at it, but can't be bothered to link the info. Maybe you get your info from the freedom first network as well.

 

[DCFseattle]

Assistant offensive line coach. No team is gonna risk one dollar over an assistant offensive line coach.

We'll see what happens when it's somebody that matters.

 

[JPFisher]

I looked it up on the CDC website. You have to look for VAERS then run a query. It's been well-documented, for those that want the truth about this non-FDA approved injection.

VAERS is notoriously flawed, and the caveat of this website is posted right on the data collection page. Anyone can submit the symptoms that they believe they're experiencing in the time period directly after the injection (or at any point, really). Like I said in a previous post, anecdotes don't stand up to rigorous scientific analysis. Coincidence and the placebo effect are both a hell of a drug. Furthermore, anyone could submit a report - even those attempting to validate their fears of a vaccine or perhaps bad players on the international stage trying to sow distrust on our soils. Even people who, themselves, haven't taken the vaccine.

I also will not take VAERS data at face value because we, as a country, have had serious issues with vaccine hesitancy in the past. We now have outbreaks of whooping cough and measles in American schools because some doctor looking for fame and glory lied about a link between vaccines and autism and then lost his medical license when everyone found out he was full of shit. ALL of that considered, the DTP (Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis) vaccine, which was one of the most widely given vaccines in the world, has just shy of 70,000 anecdotes. This vaccine was phased out in the 90s, but started its life in the 40s. Its successor (DTaP) has 180,000 reports. The COVID-19 vaccines, which have been out since late last year, have almost 2 million anecdotes. Curious. And the "symptoms" range from x-rays and spontaneous abortion to testicular torsion and tooth abscess. Really?

Injection site swelling, lethargy, soreness, nausea, headaches, and body chills are among the most common recognized symptoms.

I'm not sure what your med group is, but I am sorry if they really have misled you. There are far too many healthcare practitioners who are refusing the vaccine because of news outlets and politicians. As a general rule, anyone trying to sell you something doesn't really give a shit about you in the long run as long as they can get a click or a buck out of you.

Be well 🤙🏼

 

[Lost In FL]

False information

You're right, the CDC is FOS.

Okaayyy...

LOL. I don't completely trust them either, which is why I'm willing to be patient and see the results.

My OP in this thread was getting the vaccine doesn't stop anyone from spreading anything. I know it's anecdotal, but I have witnessed nearly a dozen ppl get it the past few weeks and 100% of them were vaxxed. So, terminating an assistant coach for not getting a vax, bc the org is concerned he would spread it to players, who are supposedly vax'd, seems like wrongful termination to me. Because one does not prevent the other. Even if he got vax'd he can still catch and spread. That's my point and is irrefutable.

 

[JPFisher]

You're right, the CDC is FOS.

Okaayyy...

LOL. I don't completely trust them either, which is why I'm willing to be patient and see the results.

My OP in this thread was getting the vaccine doesn't stop anyone from spreading anything. I know it's anecdotal, but I have witnessed nearly a dozen ppl get it the past few weeks and 100% of them were vaxxed. So, terminating an assistant coach for not getting a vax, bc the org is concerned he would spread it to players, who are supposedly vax'd, seems like wrongful termination to me. Because one does not prevent the other. Even if he got vax'd he can still catch and spread. That's my point and is irrefutable.

Yep, and totally a valid point. But, the 2-dosers still protect against ~70% of infections. Someone could still get infected and spread it, but the vaccine greatly reduces that chance and at the vet least, reduces viral load. So, that would be the argument against certain lines of reasoning.

Hope you have a great day! Cheers 🤙🏼

 

[Lost In FL]

VAERS is notoriously flawed, and the caveat of this website is posted right on the data collection page. Anyone can submit the symptoms that they believe they're experiencing in the time period directly after the injection (or at any point, really). Like I said in a previous post, anecdotes don't stand up to rigorous scientific analysis. Coincidence and the placebo effect are both a hell of a drug. Furthermore, anyone could submit a report - even those attempting to validate their fears of a vaccine or perhaps bad players on the international stage trying to sow distrust on our soils. Even people who, themselves, haven't taken the vaccine.

I also will not take VAERS data at face value because we, as a country, have had serious issues with vaccine hesitancy in the past. We now have outbreaks of whooping cough and measles in American schools because some doctor looking for fame and glory lied about a link between vaccines and autism and then lost his medical license when everyone found out he was full of shit. ALL of that considered, the DTP (Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis) vaccine, which was one of the most widely given vaccines in the world, has just shy of 70,000 anecdotes. This vaccine was phased out in the 90s, but started its life in the 40s. Its successor (DTaP) has 180,000 reports. The COVID-19 vaccines, which have been out since late last year, have almost 2 million anecdotes. Curious. And the "symptoms" range from x-rays and spontaneous abortion to testicular torsion and tooth abscess. Really?

Injection site swelling, lethargy, soreness, nausea, headaches, and body chills are among the most common recognized symptoms.

I'm not sure what your med group is, but I am sorry if they really have misled you. There are far too many healthcare practitioners who are refusing the vaccine because of news outlets and politicians. As a general rule, anyone trying to sell you something doesn't really give a shit about you in the long run as long as they can get a click or a buck out of you.

Be well 🤙🏼

I don't completely disagree, but the data is FROM the CDC. (Trust the science, hallelujah! [My point here is this has become a religion or cult for many.]) But the COVID death calcs were equally as flawed. The classic examples were decapitations with Covid ... clearly covid.

Not taking VAERS at face value is certainly your choice. I appreciate you at least looking and discussing rationally. Frankly, I trust very few, if any, news sources anymore. Which again, is why I'm willing to wait and see the long term effects. And that is a sad state, but is 100% because of agenda-driven media.

One thing I forgot (sorry) ... look at the spike in VAERS cases over the past decade. Something is happening. While it is possible, I don't believe the increase is due to simply agenda-driven ppl making random calls. That seems like a conspiracy theory. Something is different.

I can add this ... back in 1976, the USG rolled out a vaccine for swine flu (maybe it was bird flu, but pretty sure it was swine). Anyway, 3 people died from the vax and the program was quickly terminated. Covid on the other hand, has become too political, like i said, a religion or cult. 3 people's deaths terminated that program completely.

I have no problem with ppl taking it, esp if they are scared of covid. But don't force the rest of us to accept that religion, please.

I appreciate your rationale, mature discussion. Best wishes to you as well.

 

[Deeeefense]

I know several who got severely sick and a couple who died after taking the vaccine.
One of my best friends is in bad condition right now with heart problems after taking it. Said he is also having bad problems with his legs not working right.

This vaccine is much worse than the actual virus. A virus that is so deadly they had to include cancer deaths, car wrecks, drive by shootings etc etc etc all in to drive the numbers up.

Your much better off getting the virus and developing natural immunity to it

There is no documented case of anyone in the US dying from taking the vaccine - that's total nonsense. There is 610,000 documented cases of people dying that were not vaccinated. Getting sick after the vaccine - temperature, fatigue, muscle aches is normal for most people.

How many people have died from the vaccine in the U.S.? - COVID-101

Over 339 million vaccine doses were given to 187.2 million people in the US as of July 19, 2021. Only three deaths have been linked to vaccination.

covid-101.org

 

[bratboy]

Do y’all not realize it’s legal to make a vaccine a requirement of employment? If they required and he said no then guess what?

Has the vaccine been approved?
If not, employers shouldn’t be able to mandate it. If it has been approved, that’s a different story.

 

[Deeeefense]

My understanding is that a vaccinated person is far less likely to transmit the virus than an unvaccinated person is …

Can Vaccinated People Transmit COVID-19 to Others?

Are vaccinated people still at risk for becoming infected or spreading COVID-19? Find out from an infectious disease specialist.

health.clevelandclinic.org

This is true, case studies show you are anywhere from 64% - 90% less likely to contract COVID if you have been vaccinated.

 

[Lost In FL]

There is no documented case of anyone in the US dying from taking the vaccine - that's total nonsense. There is 610,000 documented cases of people dying that were not vaccinated. Getting sick after the vaccine - temperature, fatigue, muscle aches is normal for most people.

How many people have died from the vaccine in the U.S.? - COVID-101

Over 339 million vaccine doses were given to 187.2 million people in the US as of July 19, 2021. Only three deaths have been linked to vaccination.

covid-101.org

I'm sorry, one more comment and I'll try to step out of this thread completely.

covid. org is a paid-for website for the vaccine ... what could anyone expect them to say other than positive about it? The fact they are paid to push the vax removes them from any serious consideration in this particular discussion. Also, from your own link, the tagline says 3 deaths. Maybe your point was they were not in the US. Ok, fair enough. That specific article didn't say where (that I saw). I thought I had seen there were in Italy or somewhere else in Europe. Anyway ... in 1976, 3 deaths were enough to stop a different vax. Something is different this time.

Please note, I'm not disagreeing that this vax may help. I'm disagreeing to force this experiment upon anyone until we have much, much more data.

 

[megablue]

The VAERS link clearly indicates that information is UNVERIFIED. Respectfully, my takeaway is that there is no actual documented proof and that struck me as being similar to reports of alien abductions. It appears that some folks will grab hold of (or create) whatever talking points support their adopted position, regardless of whether scientifically or independently substantiated and/or verified.

 

[gobigblue812]

Kid is a savant, or has a ghost writer.
for you lazy sob's, who clearly don't give a dam about what you put into your body.

The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) Request

wonder.cdc.gov

Welcome

www.openvaers.com

My point ... I'll wait several years and see how this "vaccine" plays out. It has been approved for emergency use only. If you want to jump off the cliff with the rest of the sheep, I'm okay with that. I hope you make the best choice for you.

The old "sheep" comment. That's all I needed to know.

FYI I am a medical professional working in a large hospital. I have 1 Covid patient that was vaccinated. All of the others DIDN'T get the vaccine.

I chose to get the vaccine. Did you?

 

[sluggercatfan]

The cdp/ccp is chomping at the bit to shut down the country again because they were well on the way to total control of every aspect of our lives. They are getting too much backlash to turn it loose. Cdp/ccp's goal is total dominance over our lives.

 

[Blue832]

Are you too lazy to look or too stupid? If you want to be ignorant, then that is your choice. I want to be free, that is my choice.

And I don't do FB. Thx.

I don't think you are lost in Fl. at all in this. There are alot of people that do not buy in to all the lies and deceit. That's part of the problem. You can't hardly believe anything you read. I have a 69 year old friend that had NEVER taken a pill in all of his life. Perfect picture of health in every yearly physical. He is proud of the fact. Got talked into the vaccination and had an heart attack from blood clots. They can call BS all they want! I could care less about their opinions. Live free if you choose to do so.

 

[Father Torque]

I say this with all sincerity, I really hope none of you in this thread have this happen to you. Be safe.

https://news.yahoo.com/conservative-radio-talk-show-host-160604107.html

 

[USMC Cat]

There is no documented case of anyone in the US dying from taking the vaccine - that's total nonsense. There is 610,000 documented cases of people dying that were not vaccinated. Getting sick after the vaccine - temperature, fatigue, muscle aches is normal for most people.

How many people have died from the vaccine in the U.S.? - COVID-101

Over 339 million vaccine doses were given to 187.2 million people in the US as of July 19, 2021. Only three deaths have been linked to vaccination.

covid-101.org

I don't see how, at this point, anybody believes the number of deaths put out by the government. It's astonishing, really.

Not saying I disagree with your point, but it really is baffling to me.

 

[USMC Cat]

I say this with all sincerity, I really hope none of you in this thread have this happen to you. Be safe.

https://news.yahoo.com/conservative-radio-talk-show-host-160604107.html

Now do one with all the people who didn't get vaccinated and didn't die.

 

[JPFisher]

I don't see how, at this point, anybody believes the number of deaths put out by the government. It's astonishing, really.

Not saying I disagree with your point, but it really is baffling to me.

For better or worse, our numbers line up very well with other western countries. You might not believe the US Gov't (understandably, in some instances), but what reason do we have to think we're so different than Italy, Israel, the UK, Canada, etc? Hell, that's not even mentioning the bloodbath that is India and Brazil.

I trust any politician about as far as I could throw them, but the evidence is solid that the US is, in this instance, similar to other developed nations currently battling a surge in cases.

 

[Deeeefense]

I'm sorry, one more comment and I'll try to step out of this thread completely.

covid. org is a paid-for website for the vaccine ... what could anyone expect them to say other than positive about it? The fact they are paid to push the vax removes them from any serious consideration in this particular discussion. Also, from your own link, the tagline says 3 deaths. Maybe your point was they were not in the US. Ok, fair enough. That specific article didn't say where (that I saw). I thought I had seen there were in Italy or somewhere else in Europe. Anyway ... in 1976, 3 deaths were enough to stop a different vax. Something is different this time.

Please note, I'm not disagreeing that this vax may help. I'm disagreeing to force this experiment upon anyone until we have much, much more data.

First of all the website covid.org is not "paid-for website for the vaccine". It's a fact based volunteer organization composed of medical professionals described as follows:

Our volunteer consortium of public health experts, medical doctors, and experts-in-training rapidly review the scientific literature and tell you what you need to know. Each post is reviewed for accuracy by our doctors. Our contributors do not accept any payment for their work. We do not make any money from this website.

Secondly the information posted in this article contains links to the CDC Vaccine Adverse Effect Reporting System, which is the most authoritative source on this subject.

I think it's deceptive to describe these vaccines as "experimental" as they did receive emergency FDA approval, but more notably they have now been administered to hundreds of millions of people and the adverse effects represent a extremely tiny percentage, a percentage of adversity that is no more than or less than other vaccines such as the annual flu vaccine that don't bring this kind of public criticism. Statistically getting in your car and driving to work every day probably puts you at a higher risk of injury or death than taking the COVID vaccine.

 

[Deeeefense]

I don't see how, at this point, anybody believes the number of deaths put out by the government. It's astonishing, really.

Not saying I disagree with your point, but it really is baffling to me.

Someone gets sick, they get tested positive for Covid, they get sicker, put on a ventilator and die. What do you think the cause of death is? Even if they had a heart condition, cancer or were diabetic, it's pretty obvious that in all likelihood Covid is what pushed them over the cliff. If the statistics are wrong it's really hard to believe it could be more that +/- a few percentage points.

 

[JPFisher]

Now do one with all the people who didn't get vaccinated and didn't die.

Chance. We have five year olds dying of this thing. It's largely believed that a large number of people relying on natural immunity will get the Delta variant at some point during the upcoming colder months.

Some people die. Some people live. Hell, smallpox, undoubtedly the worst viral scourge in the history of mankind, typically killed ~30% of its victims. Usually left survivors with horrific pock mark scars for the rest of their lives.

You don't have to believe the government all the time, but John Prine, Herman Cain, Bill Montgomery, and others would've likely benefitted from the vaccine that folks are now refusing.

 

[USMC Cat]

Chance. We have five year olds dying of this thing. It's largely believed that a large number of people relying on natural immunity will get the Delta variant at some point during the upcoming colder months.

Some people die. Some people live. Hell, smallpox, undoubtedly the worst viral scourge in the history of mankind, typically killed ~30% of its victims. Usually left survivors with horrific pock mark scars for the rest of their lives.

You don't have to believe the government all the time, but John Prine, Herman Cain, Bill Montgomery, and others would've likely benefitted from the vaccine that folks are now refusing.

Three million people a year, every year, die from obesity. I'm sure they wished they didn't eat that last cupcake.

What is your point? Should we do an article on them?

 

[Deeeefense]

My point ... I'll wait several years and see how this "vaccine" plays out. It has been approved for emergency use only

Technically that's correct, but the vaccines were put through all the Phase 1, 2 and 3 trials that any prescription product goes through. I know the Moderna phase 3 had 30,000 participants, and the results based on efficacy and safety far exceeded expectations. The real world evidence is now stacked up pretty high with millions having taken the vaccine with only a tine fraction suffering any type of adversity.

Your decision, but in making it consider the options you have and the appropriate risks with each. If you are active in society you are at risk for getting the rapidly spreading Delta variant and if you do there is chance it will not turn out well. The chances of that event are exponentially greater than not taking the vaccine because of existing or some possibility of some sort of future issue that hasn't been discovered yet.

There is risks in everything. Every time you get in your car and drive it there is a risk some idiot might pile into you and cause you injury or worse, but we accept certain levels of risks as part of living. I think if you take a serious look at the risks involved in each option you have available, taking the vaccine is obviously the best choice.

Emergency Use Authorization for Vaccines Explained

FDA explains the Emergency Use Authorization for Vaccines

www.fda.gov

 

[megablue]

Three million people a year, every year, die from obesity. I'm sure they wished they didn't eat that last cupcake.

What is your point? Should we do an article on them?

Obesity is not transmissible.

 

[USMC Cat]

Obesity is not transmissible.

Ahh, so we're only disscussing regretting negative life behaviors caused by transmittable diseases?

Well, in that case...

 

[JPFisher]

Three million people a year, every year, die from obesity. I'm sure they wished they didn't eat that last cupcake.

What is your point? Should we do an article on them?

We have a bunch of articles about the obesity epidemic. It's one of the great healthcare problems of our time. Leads to cancers, heart disease, stroke, metabolism problems, depression, and autoimmune diseases, among others.

 

[megablue]

Ahh, so we're only disscussing regretting negative life behaviors caused by transmittable diseases?

Well, in that case...

Of course, I support all behavior that maximizes the well-being of the human race. My point was that, the way I see it, the big difference is that COVID-19 is transmissible and individuals' decisions (vaccines, masks, distancing, etc…) can (and DO) affect others.

As an indirectly-related side note, I’ve always been both amazed and saddened to see health care professionals standing outside hospitals smoking, while there are folks (their patients) dying of lung cancer less than 100 yards away.

 

[Lost In FL]

The old "sheep" comment. That's all I needed to know.

FYI I am a medical professional working in a large hospital. I have 1 Covid patient that was vaccinated. All of the others DIDN'T get the vaccine.

I chose to get the vaccine. Did you?

Fyi, just because you get paid to take out the trash in a hospital doesnt make you a medical professional. (Im only joking.)

You have opinion, perspective, and anectdotal evidence, as do i.

Just dont force everyone else to do what was best for you.

Edit: hope you dont get upset at the joke. Was just trying to add a little levity. Hope you took it that way, in jest.

 

[rwbloomjr]

Of course the CDC keeps lowering the numbers but here is the latest....

COVID-19 Vaccine Related Fatalities Updated

VAERS confirmed over 6000 additional COVID-19 vaccine death reports

www.precisionvaccinations.com

Like everything Covid related, there is non-stop misinformation but you can count on the US news media to exaggerate every death as a Covid death but underplay vaccine deaths as non existent.

 

[Dncmaxwell]

When I was in the Air Force (1990s), they required the Anthrax vaccine or you could get out.

This is not new.

This is not news.

it’s just more manufactured outrage….

 

[Dncmaxwell]

Fyi, just because you get paid to take out the trash in a hospital doesnt make you a medical professional. (Im only joking.)

You have opinion, perspective, and anectdotal evidence, as do i.

Just dont force everyone else to do what was best for you.

Who was forced?

 

[JPFisher]

Of course the CDC keeps lowering the numbers but here is the latest....

COVID-19 Vaccine Related Fatalities Updated

VAERS confirmed over 6000 additional COVID-19 vaccine death reports

www.precisionvaccinations.com

Like everything Covid related, there is non-stop misinformation but you can count on the US news media to exaggerate every death as a Covid death but underplay vaccine deaths as non existent.

From your own link: "As an early warning system, VAERS cannot prove that a vaccine caused a problem, says the CDC."

"Between December 14, 2020, through July 19, 2021, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) received 12,313 reports of death among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine."

Emphasis on received reports. Not confirmed.

"UPDATE #2: As of 6:30 PM CT on July 21, 2021, the CDC's website stated through July 19, 2021, VAERS had received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. The CDC's webpage's Last Update date reflects July 21, 2021.

Since more than 338 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the USA, this data reflects a vaccination-death ratio of 0.0018%."

Again, not confirmed. It's likely that they followed up on reports of mortality and are weeding through happenstance deaths.

 

[TBCat]

Correct. I predict more will be fired for refusing vaccinations in all kinds of employment situations.

They better be careful with that. It's illegal to force vaccines as a condition of employment. It's even worse with a non-approved vaccine. You certainly can not compel someone to take an experimental vaccine. The NFL can get sued to the financial breaking point if they get wild with this.

 

[Nightwish84]

The anti vax crowd is the same group who said masks don't work at all and downplayed covid to the point of calling it a cold and said the death numbers are a lie, but now they believe the negative numbers associated with the vaccines and seem to believe a random guy here who said he has vaccinated friends who have died and another friend who has limp legs now. I mean, c'mon. If you don't want to take the vaccine, okay, but those same people refusing to seem to be on social media bragging about it and urging others to refuse as well, while calling the ones that take it sheep. Why do people need to take strong stances on everygdthing and act like they know the answers to life when they really don't? It's dumb to complain about lockdowns and masks and distancing but then also complain when vaccines are readily available.

What's that joke about the guy in the ocean who refuses help and says he's waiting for God to save him? Yeah, that's basically 40% of the country.

 

[sieken]

Ok so if they are choosing profit over people, why would they be pushing a vaccine that was more deadly than the virus like a bunch of dumbasses like to say? That just means less people to profit off of for decades.

I was referring to the Opioid Epidemic that has cost society way more lives than the Corona virus ever will. The States had to take up the fight because the federal government chooses not to get involved. That makes me ask questions, why have they not stepped in at this point? There are safer options in a lot of instances then the addictive opioids but the Federal Government won't step in and provide guidance about using them. Society got along just fine without all of these Opioids not that long ago, so why do we still allow these things to go on? Money! To big Pharma, then passed on to your favorite Politician. I have been vaccinated, chose to for my own reasons and accepted there are risks involved but I also waited longer than most. Who's right to tell someone what the correct amount of time it should take them to get comfortable with being vaccinated? As I stated earlier, there are now a slew of anti-vaxers amongst us, we don't treat those people as second class citizens for their choices, why are we starting to do that now with this vaccine?

I put ZERO value in what politicians (either messed up group) or Pharmaceutical Companies put out there for public consumption.

 

[RocknRollCats]

According to the CDC, a few weeks ago, more people died from complications due to the vaccine than from complications due to the disease. The total number is now nearing 70K.

People either don't hear about this, because of $$$ or because they are too busy lighting candles at the alter of Fraudci.

Link to the CDC report that you cite?

 

[luv2hit63]

My 79 year old aunt took the 1st shot in May. Two days later became very sick. For three weeks she was in the hospital. She had very little use of her arms and legs and had several headaches. This continued all though June with her husband actually carrying her daily from the bed to the bathroom. At least 5 different doctors treated her during May and June and ALL of them noted that her condition was most likely due to the vaccine. She started to improve about 3 weeks ago where now she can move without assistance.
She is a very strong democrat and was a advocate for the vaccine. But now she says she wishes she had never took it. I understand this is a rare occurrence and not the norm. But it had changed my opinion about taking it especially since she is family.

 

[Global Havok]

Link to the CDC report that you cite?

Spoiler alert: No such report exists because his claim is total BS.