Has another University done less with more
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They remind me of UK under Tubby a bit. Great regular season success poo poo in tourney
The Chickenhawks are the most over-rated program with the most over-rated coaches that recruit the most over-rated players. A want a b blue blood program with the most annoying, egotistical, & ignorant fans. Luck & big 12 referees r the only reason they have been considered a top 10 team in the last 5 years. All hype & no substance is the KU calling card.
you are looking at success being determined by national titles and final fours.
you are leaving out regular season kenpom rankings.
you are leaving out regular season kenpom rankings.
I'm no Kansas activist by any means, but don't they only have 3 less Final Four appearances than us? I believe it's 17-14.
Carolina has also had a lot more talent in my opinion as well if you look at recruiting rankings.
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Rhode Island
Bucknell
Bradley
Northern Iowa
VCU
Stanford
Wichita St
We all agree.
Rhode Island
Bucknell
Bradley
Northern Iowa
VCU
Stanford
Wichita St
We all agree.
Plenty,
UNC won ONE championship with Jordan
Georgetown won one with Pat Ewing
Cincinnati didn't win a championship with Oscar Robertson (the greatest player in their history)
UNLV really should have won more than one in the 1990s, they were insanely talented
UNC won ONE championship with Jordan
Georgetown won one with Pat Ewing
Cincinnati didn't win a championship with Oscar Robertson (the greatest player in their history)
UNLV really should have won more than one in the 1990s, they were insanely talented
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then it's 0-0. wow it's not worth even talking about anymore. i guess ku wins having naismith. unc has strictly contributed cheating.
unc holds that record. Can imagine how bad it must suck to be cheating on the level they are and have no more than they do to show for it?
It's really hard to deny that we had the best team in the country in 2010, and 2015 and didn't even make the title game in either of those years. Definitely should have won it in at least one of those years! We definitely over achieved in 2011, and 2014 with our final 4, and title game runs though!!
Some of you kill me.
Kansas has NEVER won a championship without being on probation the year prior, the year of, or the year after. Let that sink in while you're slamming UNC over and over. Kansas is the single dirtiest program in the history of the NCAA. Not to mention, Kansas had clustering going on with, you guessed it, Roy Williams and world wide Wayne Waldo. They have their own academic deficiencies to deal with. In time it will come. So enough of the Jayhawks backing on here. They slam us and our legend routinely. Screw them and their overrated program.
To the op's question, you damn right they are the most underachieving program. Phog Allen, James Neismith, countless AA legends of the game like Wilt Chamberlin, the most games played and the earliest to play them. Enough bullshit about titles being a "crap shoot". They've had over 100 years to put together more than 3 with all of their Recources. Of course they've underachieved and greatly at that.
If you don't get that, tough. Deal with it.
Kansas has NEVER won a championship without being on probation the year prior, the year of, or the year after. Let that sink in while you're slamming UNC over and over. Kansas is the single dirtiest program in the history of the NCAA. Not to mention, Kansas had clustering going on with, you guessed it, Roy Williams and world wide Wayne Waldo. They have their own academic deficiencies to deal with. In time it will come. So enough of the Jayhawks backing on here. They slam us and our legend routinely. Screw them and their overrated program.
To the op's question, you damn right they are the most underachieving program. Phog Allen, James Neismith, countless AA legends of the game like Wilt Chamberlin, the most games played and the earliest to play them. Enough bullshit about titles being a "crap shoot". They've had over 100 years to put together more than 3 with all of their Recources. Of course they've underachieved and greatly at that.
If you don't get that, tough. Deal with it.
Hey moron, john Calipari will be at UK another 6-10 years. Get ready because if you think it's going to end at one, you're dumber than a box of condoms.
Brothal U always said you can't win with freshmen until we did. Now they have to say he needs to win more with all that talent. Then they completely ignore that he has done exactly that. How would ul fans know what talent looks like? If his post isn't ban worthy then I have no idea what is. For the shear ignorance alone.
Stingray is a jealous idiot. I can't wait until cal hangs his next banner so idiots like him have to endure it.
Joe Douschebag just listed the 1 & 2 seeds during the OU/LSU game & has Kansas as the 2nd 2 seed. R u kidding me. A horrible OSU team demolished the candy a$$ Hawks. They are 16 on Pomeroy which would make them the worst 4. Why r they over seeded by atleast 2 lines every year?
Kansas has choked many times but I still think UNC has done less with more throughout history.
I posted JCU because I wanted to include his other teams. He should have won one at Memphis as well. He could be sitting on 4 and set up great for #5 next season.
So much terrible with your posts. Let's take a look, shall we?
2008 was the only year where all #1 seeds made the Final Four (also top 4 in KenPom by a bit). Memphis was probably the least talented overall - Rose was the best individual talent (but not college player, more on that in a bit), and then Dorsey and CDR? And never forget Willie Kemp (of W/Y/K fame). Compare that to, say, UCLA with Love, Westbrook, Collison, Mbah a Moute, and even Josh Shipp got a cup of coffee in the NBA. And, besides Love, they had at least 2 years in college. North Carolina was loaded (Ellington, Danny Green, Hansbrough, Lawson, and even all their 4/5 star PFs in Deon Thompson and Alex Stepheson). Same with Kansas (Aldrich, Arthur, Chalmers, Collins, Rush). Probably the most stacked Final Four in the last 20 years - again, top 4 seeds advanced, and they were true #1 seeds by any measure (advanced stats, eye test, etc...). And Memphis 1) beat that stacked UCLA team, 2) had Kansas on the ropes, 3) FTs and Chalmers 3, and 4) lost in OT. Oh noes! Such a bad job coaching, Cal! GTFO if you think he "should have won" that year - you don't know what "should have" means if you really believe that. His other Memphis teams were not legit title contenders. Solid, Elite 8 maybe.
2010 - was not as good as the record. KenPom had UK third, yes, but huge, huge gap between Kansas and Duke and UK. Lol, another Kansas choke job here. Yeah, UK, probably should have beaten #2 seed WVU, but 1) it was a 2 seed, and 2) horrible shooting night. Should have won? No.
2011 - #4 seed to the Final Four. Should that team have won? Entering the tournament, they should have won?
2012 - title favorites (especially with UNC injuries) and won it despite relying so heavily on freshmen.
2013 - lol no.
2014 - can argue they under performed all year, but is getting to the title game with that bunch considered a failure? By whom? With the benefit of hindsight, the Harrison twins were, like, mid tier 4 stars maybe?
2015 - 6 really good teams, of which 4 passed the eye test - UK, Arizona, Duke, and Wisconsin. Wisconsin had the best offense in KenPom history. UK lost a close game. Oh noes! I will admit that the super conservative offense reared its ugly head late in that game, though. But all the top 4 last year were better than any teams in 2014, 2016, and 2011. Easy. Happens that some years are tougher than others. Titles count the same when you're just flashing fingers at the camera, but here on the internet we can argue context and the like. Like adults that understand basketball and probabilities and such.
Really, though, what posters like you cannot seem to understand is that "talent" is a nebulous word, and it is not necessarily directly correlated with ability to help a team win basketball games today. Age, experience, and skill matter. In a team environment, continuity and cohesiveness matter as well. But people like you think that athletic potential, or NBA draft potential (largely similar), directly equates to ability to win college games. In other words, the NBA ceiling for a player = current usefulness in the college game. That's dumb. That's short-sighted. That ignores everything we know, such as the aging curve where, damn near without exception, players peak in their late 20s as athletic ability meets skill meets experience in a glorious blaze of production. It ignores that, almost universally, freshmen struggle and get a lot better every year. It ignores that even the best college players are terrible in their first year in the NBA. Would you rather have senior Buddy Hield or freshman Andrew Wiggins? For college, Hield easy. For the NBA (lol "talent") Wiggins in a walk. Invoking "talent" when talking about winning college basketball games is generally a badge of ignorance.
But, sure, throw out the word "talent" and get a spray tan and you might win a Skip Bayless impression. But you're not going to fool anyone who knows anything about basketball, son.
His favorite coach gave whores to recruits and only has one title at UofL to show for it. I can see why he's pissed and passive aggressively takes it out on fans of the team that owns Ricks ass.
I love how you think I'm taking shots at Cal. The man could be sitting on 4 championships except for missed freethrows at Memphis, Not pounding WVU in the paint (yes UK was clearly the best team), and was clearly the best team last year. It always helps to have some luck in a championship run, some would deem it a necessity. Cal has also done more with less in those unexpected Final four runs. Hell of a coach.
Sorry you spent so much time on that. I really don't have time enough to read it all. This did catch my eye......
" But people like you think that athletic potential, or NBA draft potential (largely similar), directly equates to ability to win college games. In other words, the NBA ceiling for a player = current usefulness in the college game."
Have you heard of this new one and done thing?
BTW I'm the last person you'll ever see judge players on draft potential.
Thanks for your opinion.
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