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I/we traveled by train a lot when we were at my daughter's in England.....we lived just a little over a mile and a half from Ely Train Station.....once you learn their systems........traveling by train and tube is the best.......I could see not owning a vehicle if I had those options............ironically........the financing for the original tube system in London came from American financiers.........also we are spread out compared to them.........
Yes. “we are spread out compared to them.........”.

When it comes to railroad economics I am an expert. 32 years as an official at CSX in Sales and Marketing.

By the time I retired in January 2000 the Washington to Boston run was on my railroad: CSX. The federal government subsidizes the hell out of Amtrak and it is electrified between just south of Baltimore to Boston. To my knowledge it is the only section of U.S. rail under Amtrak that is electrified. It is fast and actually makes money, or made money when I retired.

Let me educate you on Amtrak. Amtrak was a Federal government program crammed down the throats of the U.S. railroad companies. We at the railroad could not say no because the feds meant business. We had this thing called the Interstate Commerce Commission and they dictated terms to private businesses that they dictated terms to, the private railroads.

I started to work for the L&N in May 1968, straight out of college. The L&N was getting out of passenger rail business (we actually did not know that the federal government would force us to do something that would make us lose money – we were stupid at that point) as you could not make any money hauling around human beings via rail. From Cincinnati to New Orleans (an L&N run) you could fly in a little over two hours at one third the price of going via rail and rail would take you hours and hours and hours. So unable to compete with buses and planes the railroads were getting out of the passenger business, or at the least we thought we were.

Then Uncle Sam decided that those damned railroads could not do that to those poor folks who wanted to travel via rail; although they were incredible low in numbers. So, the U.S government forced the railroads to offer passenger service at a loss.

Everyone talks about the great rail service in Europe or Japan or England. They never talk about the massive subsidies that it takes to haul people around in a postage stamp sized country. The United States and Canada are anything but small.

What most folks don’t know is that the U.S. railroads are the only railroads that actually are private and make money. You can’t make money moving people via rail except in extremely dense population areas such as from Washington DC to Boston.

Also, I totally agree with the size of the UK. “we are spread out compared to them.........”. That is the point.

From London (South England) to Thurso, Scotland (extreme Northern Scotland) it is a whopping 678 miles. From Cincinnati to New Orleans it is 806 miles. That is middle to south. Let us not talk about the distance from San Diego, CA to Caribou, ME: 3,289 miles. That is farther than from London to Moscow (1,924 miles). Those distances are made for airplanes. The cost to fly from London to Moscow is a fraction of rail between those points. Plus, when it takes three days instead of a few hours we human beings must eat and sleep which add more cost.

End of rant.

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Yes. “we are spread out compared to them.........”.

When it comes to railroad economics I am an expert. 32 years as an official at CSX in Sales and Marketing.

By the time I retired in January 2000 the Washington to Boston run was on my railroad: CSX. The federal government subsidizes the hell out of Amtrak and it is electrified between just south of Baltimore to Boston. To my knowledge it is the only section of U.S. rail under Amtrak that is electrified. It is fast and actually makes money, or made money when I retired.

Let me educate you on Amtrak. Amtrak was a Federal government program crammed down the throats of the U.S. railroad companies. We at the railroad could not say no because the feds meant business. We had this thing called the Interstate Commerce Commission and they dictated terms to private businesses that they dictated terms to, the private railroads.

I started to work for the L&N in May 1968, straight out of college. The L&N was getting out of passenger rail business (we actually did not know that the federal government would force us to do something that would make us lose money – we were stupid at that point) as you could not make any money hauling around human beings via rail. From Cincinnati to New Orleans (an L&N run) you could fly in a little over two hours at one third the price of going via rail and rail would take you hours and hours and hours. So unable to compete with buses and planes the railroads were getting out of the passenger business, or at the least we thought we were.

Then Uncle Sam decided that those damned railroads could not do that to those poor folks who wanted to travel via rail; although they were incredible low in numbers. So, the U.S government forced the railroads to offer passenger service at a loss.

Everyone talks about the great rail service in Europe or Japan or England. They never talk about the massive subsidies that it takes to haul people around in a postage stamp sized country. The United States and Canada are anything but small.

What most folks don’t know is that the U.S. railroads are the only railroads that actually are private and make money. You can’t make money moving people via rail except in extremely dense population areas such as from Washington DC to Boston.

Also, I totally agree with the size of the UK. “we are spread out compared to them.........”. That is the point.

From London (South England) to Thurso, Scotland (extreme Northern Scotland) it is a whopping 678 miles. From Cincinnati to New Orleans it is 806 miles. That is middle to south. Let us not talk about the distance from San Diego, CA to Caribou, ME: 3,289 miles. That is farther than from London to Moscow (1,924 miles). Those distances are made for airplanes. The cost to fly from London to Moscow is a fraction of rail between those points. Plus, when it takes three days instead of a few hours we human beings must eat and sleep which add more cost.

End of rant.

I have never been on a train (except one of those tiny amusement park ones). I have only flown 4-5 times.
 
This was a mystery tune. Why did he jump

Interesting song considering recent news events with missing people and what not. Throw in her papa dying from the virus and it's a topical tune.
I have never been on a train (except one of those tiny amusement park ones). I have only flown 4-5 times.
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Max Baer (Jethro Bodeen) produced a movie about this song in 1976. The reason he jumped was due to grief from a homosexual encounter with an older man. Robbie Benson played Billie Joe. Leave it up to Hollywood to screw up a good song.

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Wow, all I can say is, if a man is more attracted to an old man than to Bobby Gentry he needs to jump off of something. Does the movie tell what they were throwing off of the bridge?

I need to watch it.
 
I have a scar on my left shoulder that is about 55 years old. I was not only vaccinated, I was branded to prove it later. I say that to say this, we've been getting vaccinated for years because researchers have been creating vaccines for years. Surely no one would argue that vaccines have been a net negative for civilization.

These corona viruses have been studied for many years and more than 300 vaccines have been created. 2 have been OK'd for use. The entire world was working on this vaccine and there were literally thousands of volunteers from all around the world to test its efficacy and safety. Add in public demand for expediency that greased the wheels of a normally dormant beaurocracy, and you end up seeing what we do when we work together.

SARS and MERS are also Corona viruses have been studied extensively. Medical technology is more advanced than when we first started dealing with those and DNA is much more easily mapped now than it was just a decade ago.

Add it all up and you are taking a bigger chance each time you get in your car of dying or being impaired than you do from a vaccine. It's science and I stand behind it.

TlDr: a collective "you" was utilized at all times. my pronoun is Mr.

Yeah but not with all the side bars and intangibles going on. Oh, I am sure there were scuzz that turned a profit off things like this back years ago but not blatantly against constitutionality.
 
Wow, all I can say is, if a man is more attracted to an old man than to Bobby Gentry he needs to jump off of something. Does the movie tell what they were throwing off of the bridge?

I need to watch it.
No, you really don't need to watch it. I watched when it came out on TV. All I can remember was suffering though until the end just to find out why he jumped. It was a real stinker and I think it bombed at the box office. Should have.
 
Speaking of movies, it is Friday Night Movie time at my house. The corn is a popping.

Sir, Sir, Sir,...... Ole Leon is getting larger for sure (This Leon...) My Darling has been on a rampage of late...She always cooks well and I eat well but now she is upping the quantities. I've been eating these today and for three days like popcorn... (Freshly made daily) (What you see below is still digesting)

(Inside chucked full of; hamburger meat along with cabbage, spices, and some egg noodles)

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Along with some of these... (Sweet potatoes...)

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Yeah....

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I/we traveled by train a lot when we were at my daughter's in England.....we lived just a little over a mile and a half from Ely Train Station.....once you learn their systems........traveling by train and tube is the best.......I could see not owning a vehicle if I had those options............ironically........the financing for the original tube system in London came from American financiers.........also we are spread out compared to them.........
What is the saying? In England, 200 miles is a long way. In the USA, 200 years is a long time.
 
Max Baer (Jethro Bodeen) produced a movie about this song in 1976. The reason he jumped was due to grief from a homosexual encounter with an older man. Robbie Benson played Billie Joe. Leave it up to Hollywood to screw up a good song.

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We old guys are not very appealing. I've had several women in recent years threaten to jump if I came any closer (one of them being my wife).
 
Good morning, D-League!

It's a balmy 56° and sunshinee this er night morning. Can see clearly enough out here in the sticks to walk around without any artifical light. It's just gorgeous.

Hope youre gettin rested up for the scrap with the tarbabies or some time with family. May God bless you and yours exceedingly!
 
Good morning from ATX. We've got 71°F and cloudy. Today's high projected at around 78°F. Cold front coming in Saturday night.

My laptop just upgraded to Windows 11. So far, so good.

Shopped a little for Christmas yesterday. Purchased a new Keurig K-cup coffee maker. Wife loves coffee. One cup per day is enough for me. Jury duty was an exception. Never doze off with a judge in the room. Drank 2-3 cups/day during that week.

Wishing happiness and health for all our fellow D-League members.

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The day america officially switched to coffee!! It's a party! It's a party!
 
I just heard they are going to mess with the Super Bowl out in LA. They've already said masks will be mandatory in the stadium and they will probably restrict attendance as well. Not going to mean much to me because that's the only game I watch and mostly to see the commercials.

Remember the "outrage" over banning same sex bathrooms? Where they "had to" move a big game to a D run city?

Wonder if the NFL will get some stones and move the SB to a non-communist city and state... When are they going to start worshipping the dollar and get a full stadium for such a grand event? Lol

What's even more sad about these last 2 years is the knowledge that 10-20 years from now there will be a new generation of kidiots that will have been taught in schools that the reason the stadiums were empty was because of the unvaccinated and the deadliness of the pandemic, that FrancisJaBlowme was the savior of the country before divoc took his mind, and that it all stopped the madness of the most (popular) "awful" (pedo/trafficking busting) president ever, who had reporters kicked out of his few press conferences where he didn't answer questions, forced people to be banned from social media, and tanked the economy.

All because "they wanted to catch the Ds stealing the election" and lock em all up.... All planned to sell our country down the river and put Gropey Joe into the office he could never sniff winning for decades.

Gonna let it go now
 
I have never been on a train (except one of those tiny amusement park ones). I have only flown 4-5 times.
I have never lived in a place where you would need to ride a train but I would like to do the cross Canadian trip. My mama said I rode my first train when I was 6 months old. She took me from Clearwater to Jacksonville on the Orange Blossom Special with the Seaboard Line. I don't remember much about it.

My next train ride was 50 years later when I took a train from Atlantic City, NJ to Grand Central in New York City. I was working up there on Storm Duty after a major storm hit the Jersey Shore and tore up a few resort hotels. UK was playing in Madison Square Garden. I remember the conductor came through punchng tickets and he had such a strong Yankee accent I could not understand what he was saying. I was on pins and needles.

I wish more freight was shipped by rail today. It would take some of the trucks off of the roads. I believe half of the vehicles down here on the Interstaes are trucks. Especially I 75 and I 95. I 10 has a bunch too headed out of Jacksonville. I love trains.



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Good morning folks. Heading out in a bit to catch an Amtrack train to Penn Station in Manhattan. My wife's family has their Christmas party tomorrow, and we go every few years when I'm feeling in the mood. Sometimes I feel in the mood when I say yes, then don't when it comes time to slog up the eastern seaboard to New York. But usually we manage to have a good time, and enjoy some of the Christmas trappings of that city.

I hope you all have a good weekend. Crazy to think this is the last one before Christmas.

Hope it's a safe and spectacular weekend for you and yours!
 
Good morning! I had some tentative plans for the day with a friend who was going to come over and play "workshop" with me. I don't know where those plans stand now because my wife has taken off from work today to use up some time she had left over.

I was sitting here thinking about December 17th. I knew there was supposed to be something about that day but I couldn't put my finger on it. Then it hit me. It's our wedding anniversary today. It didn't actually hit me, I did call out to my wife in another room and ask her if it was and she confirmed.

I have to, I HAVE TO, go with her to some to do at her Attorney's house on Saturday. She knows the rule but she didn't choose the day. Dude says I can watch the game in his basement mancave and the other attorney is a big Cat fan. Not optimum conditions but I can make it work.

Have a great day!

Happy anniversary!
 
No, you really don't need to watch it. I watched when it came out on TV. All I can remember was suffering though until the end just to find out why he jumped. It was a real stinker and I think it bombed at the box office. Should have.
Thanks for the tip. I think I will pass on the movie and save two wasted hours of my life. There is nothing worse than a bad movie. I ain't got time for that
 
The only train I've ridden is the L in Chicago. Back when I loved visiting there, we'd take a 1 hour flight into Midway and the L straight to our hotels in the Loop. Plenty to do and see. I'm simply not interested in encouraging their politics and blatant disregard for life, liberty, and personal safety. They will get as little of my money as possible from here forward
 
The only train I've ridden is the L in Chicago. Back when I loved visiting there, we'd take a 1 hour flight into Midway and the L straight to our hotels in the Loop. Plenty to do and see. I'm simply not interested in encouraging their politics and blatant disregard for life, liberty, and personal safety. They will get as little of my money as possible from here forward
We are getting flooded with people running out of Chicago and their story is interesting. A lot of the people coming down here are in the restaurant business or service related and hotels, etc.

So far the ones I have had the occasion to talked to seem to be decent, hard working people who just want to live a peaceful life and raise their family in their values, not mandated by the government. I haven't talked to a Democrat yet with the exception of a man from New Jersey and I couldn't understand him because he had on two masks and we were outside. I did request he not continue voting for liberals because the Democrats in our state are like Pelosi and AOC. They are far left, fortunately they only have political power in a few big cities and SE Florida. We try to contain them there.
 
and you did not even like my post that I worked on for twenty minutes!

dang.
I did not like it either but, I "liked" it anyway. ;) I jest of course. It was very informative and was something I never gave much thought to concerning passenger train usage in America. Rode in many across Germany and Europe and just wondered why we did not have a similar system. Your post made sense as to why we did not.
 
I did not like it either but, I "liked" it anyway. ;) I jest of course. It was very informative and was something I never gave much thought to concerning passenger train usage in America. Rode in many across Germany and Europe and just wondered why we did not have a similar system. Your post made sense as to why we did not.
Thanks Warrior cat.
 
Good morning from ATX. Currently 64°F with thunderstorms. Power flicked off a couple times already. Cold front moving in. We're already near today's high. Expect upper-30s later tonight.

Cats got a game today vs UNC in Vegas at 4:30 pm CST. Go Cats!

Six college FB bowl games playing today. May watch a few.

I'm heading out grocery shopping later on this morning for roast turkey breast and other holiday goodies. Planning on making Christmas meal at home this year.

Wishing happiness and health for all our fellow D-League members.

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