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She's lovely with an amazing personality. It was a true honor to meet her.My little girl last night:
Wow, I’d love to see those mud glyphs some time. And thanks for the tip on that book, Bert, I’m going to see if that’s available on Amazon, or through some used book sites I check.
This morning's haul. Note the coin located upper-right with the Art Linkletter-looking dude. It's a 20 Belgian (Belgie) Franc piece dated 1980. Some stuff I find simply boggles the imagination.
She is lovely, Bert. Nothing like having a daughter - a son is nice too but girls have a special love for their dad. I’m blessed with two.My little girl last night:
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Here is a teaser:
Kentucky Archaeology by R. Barry Lewis The University Press of Kentucky, published 1996
18 KENTUCKY ARCHAEOLOGY
The Major Periods of Kentucky Archaeology
Paleoindian periods. The Paleoindian periods span the time from the first inhabitants of the Kentucky region around 10,000 B.C. until the end of the Pleistocene Epoch, or Ice Age, about 8,000 B.C. These people were nomadic, specialized big-game hunters and gatherers. Most of the big game they hunted was extinct by the end of the Pleistocene.
Archaic periods. There are three Archaic periods: the Early, Middle, and Late. The Early Archaic period spans the first two millennia after the Ice Age, or from roughly 8,000 to 6,000 B.C. The sites of these hunters and gatherers show many cultural effects of the shift toward a temperate environment. Nevertheless, Early Archaic tool assemblages still share many basic similarities with those of their Paleoindian ancestors.
The Middle Archaic period dates from 6,000 to 3,000 B.C. Communities were apparently more settled than in the past. There is evidence of such domesticated plants as squash and gourds in the states surrounding Kentucky, and it is reasonable to assume that these plants were also in use here. Technology became increasingly diversified.
The Late Archaic period, which extends from 3,000 to 1,000 B.C., is the best-known Archaic period in Kentucky, due largely to Webb's interest in the preceramic shell middens of the Green River region. The trend toward food production increased, but it remained only a supplement to hunting and
gathering for several more millennia. Regional stylistic traditions of tools and other artifacts can be delineated across Kentucky. Pottery began to be made and used in contemporaneous communities in the southeastern states that border Kentucky.
Woodland periods. There are three Woodland periods: the Early, Middle, and Late. Until recently, most archaeologists (e.g., Griffin 1967) viewed the Early Woodland period (1,000 to 200 B.C.) as a significant period of cultural innovations in which mound ceremonialism, agriculture, and pottery-making were introduced from other parts of North America. Archaeological investigations have now shown that mound building, domesticated plants, and pottery existed in parts of eastern North America before the Early Woodland period. In Kentucky, the Adena culture dominates much of Early and Middle Woodland archaeology. Adena is another of Webb's significant archaeological contributions. During his long career, Webb devoted much of his professional energy to the archaeology of Adena sites and published reports on the excavation of 16 Adena mounds and several syntheses of information about Adena (Schwartz 1967:89-96).
The Middle Woodland (200 B.C. to A.D. 400-500) in the midcontinental United States has become largely synonymous with the Hopewell culture, which archaeologists once viewed as the oldest of two so-called cultural climaxes in North American prehistory, the other being the Mississippi period, which is discussed below (Griffin 1967). Hopewell and other Middle Woodland cultures of the Midwest and Southeast hold interest for many people, if for no other reason than these are the archaeological remains upon which much of the Mound Builder myth was constructed.
The Late Woodland period (A.D. 400 to 900-1000) is the least known archaeological period in Kentucky prehistory. It was a period of great change in the lifeways of the inhabitants of Kentucky. The bow and arrow was probably introduced into the region during the Late Woodland. The drift toward
food production finally reached a critical point, and toward the end of the period, fully agricultural communities existed across much of the state.
Mississippi period. The late prehistory of western and southern Kentucky is largely that of Mississippian farmers. The chiefdoms of this period, which lasted from A.D. 900 to A.D. 1700, had a strong riverine focus, were fully agricultural, and built planned villages and towns that were often fortified. Archaeologists characterize these societies as being of the Mississippian cultural tradition.
Late Prehistoric period. Fort Ancient villages were still thriving communities when the first settlers appeared in the Ohio River Valley. Although similar in some respects to Mississippian farmers, archaeologists view Fort Ancient as a distinct entity in northern Kentucky and southern Ohio. To divorce this culture from Mississippian cultural connotations, Kentucky archaeologists often place Fort Ancient culture in a Late Prehistoric or Fort Ancient period.
Historic period. The archaeology of communities for which there is also documentary, or historical, evidence is a relatively specialized area. In Kentucky it finds application only in investigations of sites that were created after about A.D. 1700. Historic period archaeology in Kentucky is largely that of Euro-American settlers, and the temporal divisions of the period emphasize this non-Native American bias.
That expands on what the experts told me about points I found in a fairly narrow area in N Ky - they ranged from early archaic to mid-Woodland in age. The idea that people several thousand years apart had left their tools and weapons around that area amazed me.
Our 'little girls' always stay that way to us.My little girl last night:
Yep. My view, and no pro in the area would ever say it in today cancel culture, but the plains Indians brought the bow and arrow into the east around 1200 ad and wiped out the Adena culture entirely. Just my view.
Anyway, my old points got disposed of when my parents sold the house and farm and moved to a new house in 1968. I had some wonderful ones. I am now down to two boards that I don't even display anymore. I found these points mainly in Barren County after I got married. There are a couple good ones but they don't compare to the old ones that got sold in an estate sale.
Came from a family of 4 children...me, 2 brothers, and a sister. Growing up I never could understand why my sister (3 yrs older than me) always got my Dad's 'ear'. I've never been the jealous type, even when I was little, but I just could not understand it. I was always a good kid/teen...never in trouble...excellent grades...sports....etc.
Then I had a daughter, and .....
On indians and points: My father in law lived on "Indian Springs" farm. It was outside Cave City about 1 mile. The whole area around here is Karst Topography, i.e. cave country and all the streams are underground.
Behind my father in laws house was a caved in cave. It was 75 feet deep. At the bottom was a spring that came out of the South side of the caved in cave and flowed about 30 feet and went back into the side of the hill. The slab limestone near the south side of the cliff has a large "bowl" shape warn into the stone. This was supposed to be because the Indians wore it out getting the spring water.
In this area, without surface water sources, the Indians collected at the springs. The ground at this Indian springs was covered in flint chips and discarded points. Additionally, it was only a few miles away from "Flint Knob" a good source of flint.
More reading:
Flint Knob is true to its name as its rock formation is principally of flint. There is no other bump on the face of Kentucky like it. Flint Knob is at the head of Happy Valley, one of the finest bodies of farming land in the State, with a citizenship unexcelled. But Flint Knob is my theme; will talk of Happy
Valley later.
Here is where the Indians found material for their arrowheads. We might say here was located their factory for supplying arrowheads, not only for those who occupied the “Dark and Bloody Ground”, but for all the various Indian tribes South of the Ohio River.
About half way up the knob on the South side, there is a depression, about eight to one hundred and sixty feet wide, through which runs a ravine. Around this depression there were ledges of limestone, like steps, and within this enclosure there might be seen more than one hundred wagon loads of small flint rocks in various stages of development into arrowheads. Here was the factory.
As the Birmingham district in Alabama seems to have been designated by the “Giver of all gifts” as a manufacturing iron-center, by placing iron-ore and coal contiguous, so, He favored the aborigines of this country by providing them an ideal hunting ground and crude material for the manufacture of hunting and war implements, adjacent to each other and only about two miles South and East of the “Old Trace” that led from the Cumberland (Nashville) on the South to the “Old Fields” of the Indians, in what is now Clark County, Kentucky, and on to the Indian towns in Ohio on the North.
Thousands of arrowheads have been found on the farms of this neighborhood, and are, to the day being exposed by the plows quite frequently.
Flint Knob is not only noted for its being the base of supplies for shooting material for the Indians, but when civilization came along, it promised a site of one of the most popular distilleries in all this section of the country. “Uncle” Andy Chapman lived up near the summit of the knob, and near his house a bold spring of water burst through the flint rock, and it was just below this spring that he located his plant for the manufacture of “Mountain Dew.”
“Uncle” Andy’s best was the best that ever tickled the palate or tangled the feet of any man. Being located high on the knob was no bar to the access of the “Low Spirited,” and the return downhill, was much to their advantage. About the close of the Civil War “Uncle” Andy sold out and moved away, and with him went the art of making “Flint Knob Whiskey”. So the people lost interest, being used to the best and they would have no other, and all this country went “dry”.
Just on the opposite side of the knob from the Chapman Place, in the forepart of the last century, lived the most noted Baptist preacher of that day, Jacob Locke. “Father Locke”, as he was called was a power in his generation, and did more than any man of this day to shape the destinies of the people of the Green River and Barren River country for good. Peace be to his ashes.
Later on, on the Locke farm, it is said, Thomas Dickinson, one of the wealthiest and most esteemed citizens of the country, got his start in life. He was the progenitor of the Glasgow Dickinsons who are “making good” as “chips off the old block”.
Behind my father in laws house was a caved in cave. It was 75 feet deep. At the bottom was a spring that came out of the South side of the caved in cave and flowed about 30 feet and went back into the side of the hill. The slab limestone near the south side of the cliff has a large "bowl" shape warn into the stone. This was supposed to be because the Indians wore it out getting the spring water.
In this area, without surface water sources, the Indians collected at the springs. The ground at this Indian springs was covered in flint chips and discarded points. Additionally, it was only a few miles away from "Flint Knob" a good source of flint.
More reading:
1924
Glasgow Daily Times
“Flint Knob” – Famous Indian Rendezvous
MEMOIR No. 2 OF THE LATE H. Y. DAVIS, OF CAVE CITY
Used by permission; Daniel Pike, Editor Glasgow Daily Times (5-5-2014)
Glasgow Daily Times
“Flint Knob” – Famous Indian Rendezvous
MEMOIR No. 2 OF THE LATE H. Y. DAVIS, OF CAVE CITY
Used by permission; Daniel Pike, Editor Glasgow Daily Times (5-5-2014)
Flint Knob is true to its name as its rock formation is principally of flint. There is no other bump on the face of Kentucky like it. Flint Knob is at the head of Happy Valley, one of the finest bodies of farming land in the State, with a citizenship unexcelled. But Flint Knob is my theme; will talk of Happy
Valley later.
Here is where the Indians found material for their arrowheads. We might say here was located their factory for supplying arrowheads, not only for those who occupied the “Dark and Bloody Ground”, but for all the various Indian tribes South of the Ohio River.
About half way up the knob on the South side, there is a depression, about eight to one hundred and sixty feet wide, through which runs a ravine. Around this depression there were ledges of limestone, like steps, and within this enclosure there might be seen more than one hundred wagon loads of small flint rocks in various stages of development into arrowheads. Here was the factory.
As the Birmingham district in Alabama seems to have been designated by the “Giver of all gifts” as a manufacturing iron-center, by placing iron-ore and coal contiguous, so, He favored the aborigines of this country by providing them an ideal hunting ground and crude material for the manufacture of hunting and war implements, adjacent to each other and only about two miles South and East of the “Old Trace” that led from the Cumberland (Nashville) on the South to the “Old Fields” of the Indians, in what is now Clark County, Kentucky, and on to the Indian towns in Ohio on the North.
Thousands of arrowheads have been found on the farms of this neighborhood, and are, to the day being exposed by the plows quite frequently.
Flint Knob is not only noted for its being the base of supplies for shooting material for the Indians, but when civilization came along, it promised a site of one of the most popular distilleries in all this section of the country. “Uncle” Andy Chapman lived up near the summit of the knob, and near his house a bold spring of water burst through the flint rock, and it was just below this spring that he located his plant for the manufacture of “Mountain Dew.”
“Uncle” Andy’s best was the best that ever tickled the palate or tangled the feet of any man. Being located high on the knob was no bar to the access of the “Low Spirited,” and the return downhill, was much to their advantage. About the close of the Civil War “Uncle” Andy sold out and moved away, and with him went the art of making “Flint Knob Whiskey”. So the people lost interest, being used to the best and they would have no other, and all this country went “dry”.
Just on the opposite side of the knob from the Chapman Place, in the forepart of the last century, lived the most noted Baptist preacher of that day, Jacob Locke. “Father Locke”, as he was called was a power in his generation, and did more than any man of this day to shape the destinies of the people of the Green River and Barren River country for good. Peace be to his ashes.
Later on, on the Locke farm, it is said, Thomas Dickinson, one of the wealthiest and most esteemed citizens of the country, got his start in life. He was the progenitor of the Glasgow Dickinsons who are “making good” as “chips off the old block”.
My wife and I have three girls. Decided to stop trying for a boy, or we may have had a girls softball team. Blessed with grandsons though. I am fairly depressed, with no NCAA for us this year. Last year, we had a really good team, winning the SEC by two full games, and trending upward. I fully expected us to make a run at the Final Four, and then, no tournament. Now, we have a stinker of a year, and they have the tournament. Not sure that I have much interest this year. Oh well, I still have golf, and lots of limb clearing/yard work, once my back rehabs a little.
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You made me bring out my international coin collection that I haven't looked at in over 20 years. These coins represent every continent with the exception of Africa and Antarctica (obviously). They really need to be cleaned. The far left column are coins from the 1800s with the oldest being an 1840 German Kreuzer. The next column is from the 1910s and then each decade through the 80s. I'm no numismatist but I'm guessing these probably aren't worth much. More of a conversation piece. Please forgive the poor photography.This morning's haul. Note the coin located upper-right with the Art Linkletter-looking dude. It's a 20 Belgian (Belgie) Franc piece dated 1980. Some stuff I find simply boggles the imagination.
<== LinkyThis storm has brought over an inch of rain and blizzard conditions across the Southern Rockies.
They do this on our beaches
And go home looking like this. Sometimes it is difficult to hold your tongue and stay silent.
And go home looking like this. Sometimes it is difficult to hold your tongue and stay silent.
Looks like the circus is in town.They do this on our beaches
And go home looking like this. Sometimes it is difficult to hold your tongue and stay silent.
Very True. This just for you. The parsimonious tree based on molecular data, indicates a sister relationship of the Annelids (Earthworms) and Bivalvia (Scallops). Testing the hypotheses on the phylogenetic relationships suggest that the molluscs and annelids form a monophyletic lineage and unites the molluscan taxa to a monophyletic group supporting the Eutrochozoa hypothesis and the monophyly of annelids and molluscs.
Another place noted for deaths. Some real, some manufactured.
I just love the Kentucky River and the danger was real. I nearly drown in a fishing mishap when I was 12. Then later rescued a young man from New Jersey who slipped on some ice about to slide over those limestone cliffs at high bridge while at UK.
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As you said, I'm also blessed to have 2 wonderful daughters. When my wife was pregnant with our first child, I wanted a son and got a daughter. When she was pregnant with our second child, I wanted another daughter and this time I got my wish. My wife says they take so much after me. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not.
Very True. This just for you. The parsimonious tree based on molecular data, indicates a sister relationship of the Annelids (Earthworms) and Bivalvia (Scallops). Testing the hypotheses on the phylogenetic relationships suggest that the molluscs and annelids form a monophyletic lineage and unites the molluscan taxa to a monophyletic group supporting the Eutrochozoa hypothesis and the monophyly of annelids and molluscs.
All of that is way, way above my pay grade.
But Rooster if you call me a molluscs again you are in deep dodo.
All of that is way, way above my pay grade.
But Rooster if you call me a molluscs again you are in deep dodo.
Incredible. I had no idea Illinois had something like this. About all I know about Illinois is flying in and out of Chicago on business and almost getting shot in East St Louis.
That is some beautiful scenery
Who would have thunk it? Not me. Had no idea something like that would be in Illinois.
But Rooster if you call me a molluscs again you are in deep dodo.
Them are some fightin' words. Call me anything but a dang molluscs. I am going to have some molluscs for supper tonight in the form of scallops alfredo.
The far southern part of Illinois is also called Little Egypt. The first settlers thought it reminded them of Egypt. If you look at a map, that portion of the state has lots of cities with Egyptian names, such as Joppa, Karnak, and of course Cairo. I drive through Cairo 2 or 3 times a week delivering to a customer. You would not believe Cairo. It's where the Ohio and Mississippi Rivers meet. You'd think it would be a large city because of location, but it's a total disaster. The bankers in Cairo loaned the money to the people who built Chicago. When riverboats were king, Cairo per capita was the richest town in the USA. There's a street called Millionaire's Row where the owners of the riverboat companies lived. President Grant spent a lot of time there visiting his rich friends. When DC was named our capital, Cairo made the final 5 or 6 cities they chose from. It went down hill over the years, but was still a decent city till the race riots of the sixties. There's probably only 1000 or so people there now. I'll see if I can find some pictures of Cairo.
I think we all saw this coming. From what I've heard, this is addition by subtraction.
I had to know what BB was hinting at so while investigating I laughed out loud then read my condensed summery of a couple of published investigations, laughed again and posted the simplified the answer. Not my words but my interpretation. The zoologist in me loves this stuff. BB's nightcrawlers & Sawnee's scallops are apparently biological sisters in the tree of life. The biological terms have Latin roots because the language is a dead one.Very True. This just for you. The parsimonious tree based on molecular data, indicates a sister relationship of the Annelids (Earthworms) and Bivalvia (Scallops). Testing the hypotheses on the phylogenetic relationships suggest that the molluscs and annelids form a monophyletic lineage and unites the molluscan taxa to a monophyletic group supporting the Eutrochozoa hypothesis and the monophyly of annelids and molluscs.
All of that is way, way above my pay grade.
But Rooster if you call me a molluscs again you are in deep dodo.
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I just finished a nice plate of my scallops Alfredo and I must say if night crawlers taste anything like their sister the scallop I might start eating worms. I think they do eat them in Africa.I had to know what BB was hinting at so while investigating I laughed out loud then read my condensed summery of a couple of published investigations, laughed again and posted the simplified the answer. Not my words but my interpretation. The zoologist in me loves this stuff. BB's nightcrawlers & Sawnee's scallops are apparently biological sisters in the tree of life. The biological terms have Latin roots because the language is a dead one.
Any worm eaters on here? I have a yard full of them.
I ate a robin once . . . worm eater extraordinaire and it tasted like dirt so I'd be careful. In grade school, we had a kid named Haskell and he'd eat one for a nickel. His pockets would bulge after a decent rain.
That’s some fascinating Kentucky history Bert. Thanks for sharing. I used to literally dream of finding one of those spots where points were plentiful, and you could come upon caches with several tools or blades. For me, it was usually hours of hunting through plowed fields or creek banks for a single arrowhead - or often nothing.
It’s amazing how many points are out there still. Or maybe not so surprising. There were hundreds of generations from the early archaic to the late woodland, with maybe a few million people per generation, and who knew how many relics each person owned in a lifetime? That’s many billions of relics spread around.
What a comeback by Bama. A win tomorrow could give them a #1 seed. Not that I'm all that excited about the NCAA right now. Just mildly curious.
p.s. If Duke makes it in tomorrow I'll be upset.
p.s. If Duke makes it in tomorrow I'll be upset.
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Rick Pitino's Iona team going to the big dance. Gaels won their conference tourney as a 9-seed.
I'll always be thankful to Pitino for his job bringing UK back from the abyss BUT I'll still never forgive him for taking on the UL job. Regardless, the man is a hell of a coach.
UTexas Longhorns won the Big XII Tournament Championship. First ever. Wife very happy. Couple seasons ago, many folks thought Shaka Smart might get the ax.
FSU vs GaTech coming up in the ACC championship game. I'm pulling for the 'Noles and Leonard Hamilton, who I'm quite sure y'all remember very well from his days on Joe B's staff.
FSU vs GaTech coming up in the ACC championship game. I'm pulling for the 'Noles and Leonard Hamilton, who I'm quite sure y'all remember very well from his days on Joe B's staff.
If WC is not, he ought to be. I knew of the faint connection but was not positive. If I had to eat a nightcrawler I'd definitely have to have some Alfredo sauce on them.
Oh, I hope all had a great day. I kept up reading but gave all a break today from obtuseville. God Bless you all and may your Daylight Savings time bring you.....more daylight. Have a great day tomorrow and a restful night tonight.
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