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cooper flag to duke :(

his record was just as good or better than ccc & went just as far in the tournament.
they won their conference tournament while uk was bounced 1st game.
dislike Duke as much as anyone, but uk today is not the uk of past & won't be as long as
ccc only cares about draft position instead of winning games
My comment had nothing to do with Cal or UK. The guy said Scheyer was eating first. They finished 3rd in a watered down ACC, losing 9 games and bowing out of the NCAA tournament to an 11 loss UT team who finished 5th in the SEC. That isn't eating first.
 
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If Scheyer had won the National Championship last year, we would still need way more than a one season sample size from a Russian roulette event to know what kind of long term Head Coach he was going to be. Kevin Ollie anyone?

A 27-9 rookie debut (that saw a healthy roster for maybe a quarter of it) and which saw him become only the third first year Coach in the 70 year history of the league to win the ACC Championship won’t have him eyeing the unemployment line for a while.
Yeah no ACC coach ever had a decent first year and then went on to suck and lose his job within 3 years. 😂

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No I am disproving your point that he won't possibly see the unemployment line for a while.
Well, while I don’t foresee a player mutiny of everybody threatening to leave because the coach is a psycho, never say never I suppose. DOH-NUT though was just, downright nutty. And rumblings about Doh-Nut were leaking out even before that first season in Chapel Hill concluded. Especially toward the end of it when they lost on like 4 or 5 consecutive Sundays to close the season. This included two double digit losses to Duke (playing without Boozer) a loss at Clemson and then that Penn State NCAA T loss to close it out.
 
In the age of the transfer portal, the importance of high school recruiting has diminished. It’s still important, of course. But I think finding those skilled and projectible lower ranked high school players who project to be solid to really good college players as upperclassmen has taken on as much or greater importance than landing 5-star OADs.

It seems to me that the model of building a college team on recruiting OADs is outdated – if it was ever a smart long-term strategy – especially for a program that should have all the tools to “eat first” in the transfer portal. I think that team-building approach is kind of on par with an offense that hasn’t realized the impact of the 3pt. shot.

In fact, I think it’s arguable that landing the “No. 1 class” might be counterproductive to winning. If your team is heavily reliant on OAD freshmen, and (1) those freshmen leave after one season before their talent has developed into higher level of play (and maybe their bodies and minds matured a little more); and (2) then you rinse-and-repeat every season with a new group of not-quite-ready-for-prime-time players and very little hold over players – it’s going to be really hard to beat the best teams or win a championship. That “talent” might be enough to routinely handle the 2nd or 3rd tier level of teams, but I think it’ll too often come up short against the teams with the best upperclassmen.

So, as far as I’m concerned, I hope Duke (or whoever) wins the recruiting title every year - as long as that title is based on how many OAD freshmen are brought in each year.
Transfer portal and the NIL has changed college athletics dramatically- I also don't think getting the top Fr each year is that important anymore
 
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I've wondered about that myself. With football being king and the possibility of Clemson, FSU, UNC and Virginia exiting the ACC, does Duke BB survive as a national power playing in a 2nd tier conference?
They will be the Gonzaga of the east coast in BB if that happens
 
UK and co will face Flagg next year.

The 2024 Champions Classic just got a bit more intriguing. With the Kentucky Wildcats and Duke Blue Devils set to battle in the high-profile event, there will be at least one superstar playing in that game, and his name is Cooper Flagg.

Flagg is expected to be the top recruit in the Class of 2024 and will likely end up being the No. 1 overall pick in the 2025 NBA Draft. Duke was the overwhelming favorite to land Flagg, so this doesn’t come as a surprise he committed to the Blue Devils on Monday.

Flagg is a 6-foot-8 power forward from Florida and reclassified in August from the 2025 class to 2024. He went with Duke over UConn, a program coming off a national championship.

The Cats have two commits for 2024. Those are four-star point guard Boogie Fland and four-star center Somto Cyril. They do not have a five-star prospect yet, but Fland does rank 33rd in the nation, per 247 Sports.
 
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I've wondered about that myself. With football being king and the possibility of Clemson, FSU, UNC and Virginia exiting the ACC, does Duke BB survive as a national power playing in a 2nd tier conference?
Notre Dame has had great success in FB by not belonging to a conference.....Gonzaga built it's rep in a second tier league......
 
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Well, while I don’t foresee a player mutiny of everybody threatening to leave because the coach is a psycho, never say never I suppose. DOH-NUT though was just, downright nutty. And rumblings about Doh-Nut were leaking out even before that first season in Chapel Hill concluded. Especially toward the end of it when they lost on like 4 or 5 consecutive Sundays to close the season. This included two double digit losses to Duke (playing without Boozer) a loss at Clemson and then that Penn State NCAA T loss to close it out.
If Hubert doesn't win at a high rate this year he will be casualty #2 at UNC IMO.
 
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I never changed my “crystal ball” pick, but I got fooled by the UConn Twitter trolls that there was a chance they stole him…and the funny, thing is I’m not even on Twitter or “X”.
 
I maintain that the biggest thing Duke had going for it under K was getting to play 8 on 5. The NCAA tournament Tennessee game last year is a great case study. That game never would have been allowed to happen if K was on the sideline. Scheyer had a solid first year and the ACC is dowwwwwwwwwwwwn in basketball making it a lot easier on him to succeed. But they weren’t a national title threat last year (no matter how much hype Bilas tried to give at the end of the year) and they won’t be annually like under K as long as they have to play 5 v 5.
 
I maintain that the biggest thing Duke had going for it under K was getting to play 8 on 5. The NCAA tournament Tennessee game last year is a great case study. That game never would have been allowed to happen if K was on the sideline. Scheyer had a solid first year and the ACC is dowwwwwwwwwwwwn in basketball making it a lot easier on him to succeed. But they weren’t a national title threat last year (no matter how much hype Bilas tried to give at the end of the year) and they won’t be annually like under K as long as they have to play 5 v 5.
Watch the Duke Kansas 2018 Elite 8 game and then say with a straight face that Duke plays 8 on 5. The refs cost Duke another title. Wendell Carter Jr's feet were set.
 
I think NIL is really going to help Duke, they have a very wealthy alumni base and I think we will see that be a factor for schools like Duke and Notre Dame. When I once thought this program would die without K, the NIL thing might be bigger for them than almost any other school.

However, the ACC just lost more teams, and if Duke doesn't figure something out, they will be in a mid-major conference before long. That's really the bigger question for them going forward.. where do they land in the conference shake-up? The good thing for them is that their football program continues to hover in that 40-20th range, so maybe there's a landing spot for them.

.. but if there's not, and they are playing in a conference with Tulsa, UAB, etc.. their recruiting will take a hit.
Who did the ACC lose???
 
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Watch the Duke Kansas 2018 Elite 8 game and then say with a straight face that Duke plays 8 on 5. The refs cost Duke another title. Wendell Carter Jr's feet were set.
You can’t seriously be cherry picking one iffy call you disagree with to argue against 25 years of getting the better whistle??? It was a right of passage every single year to hear Dicky V and Bilas brag about how Duke made more free throws on the year then the other team even attempted. My personal favorite was the half time a$$ chewing K gave the refs going into halftime in the 2015 title game and then Duke got all the calls in the 2nd half. They were all legit terrified of K every game.
 
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Who did the ACC lose???

It's spinning as we speak. FSU and Clemson looking to leave, and there are rumbling there may be more. This shouldn't be a shock, though. The ACC is bad at football and even basketball, it's pretty "meh" aside from Duke and UNC. It's only a matter of time before the ACC is turned into a mid-major program for football and basketball.. so Duke needs to figure out their next move, if there is one.
 
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You can’t seriously be cherry picking one iffy call you disagree with to argue against 25 years of getting the better whistle??? It was a right of passage every single year to hear Dicky V and Bilas brag about how Duke made more free throws on the year then the other team even attempted. My personal favorite was the half time a$$ chewing K gave the refs going into halftime in the 2015 title game and then Duke got all the calls in the 2nd half. They were all legit terrified of K every game.
Correct. Generally in basketball, the more talented team gets to the FT line more. FT's are easy, good percentage shots.
The 2012 Kentucky team shot 23.5 FT's a game compared to 15.4 from the opponents.
 
It's spinning as we speak. FSU and Clemson looking to leave, and there are rumbling there may be more. This shouldn't be a shock, though. The ACC is bad at football and even basketball, it's pretty "meh" aside from Duke and UNC. It's only a matter of time before the ACC is turned into a mid-major program for football and basketball.. so Duke needs to figure out their next move, if there is one.
It is pretty wild how the narrative around Duke has shifted from "they won't get the top recruits once K is gone" to "well, once the ACC breaks up, Duke won't get the top recruits." That might not be for another 15 years given the ACC's grant of rights. But I am so excited to hear what the next line of reasoning will be for why Duke won't eat first.
 
It's spinning as we speak. FSU and Clemson looking to leave, and there are rumbling there may be more. This shouldn't be a shock, though. The ACC is bad at football and even basketball, it's pretty "meh" aside from Duke and UNC. It's only a matter of time before the ACC is turned into a mid-major program for football and basketball.. so Duke needs to figure out their next move, if there is one.
Right but the key is they haven’t left yet. If they could, they would have done so already. No team is leaving the ACC before 2036 because of the grant of rights, which makes departure both a breach of contract and prohibitively expensive.
 
Right but the key is they haven’t left yet. If they could, they would have done so already. No team is leaving the ACC before 2036 because of the grant of rights, which makes departure both a breach of contract and prohibitively expensive.

Maybe, but the schools sure seem to be looking for the exits. And it's not in particular for Duke.. if they can find an out as well and land in a football conference, then this won't matter. It's really whoever is left in the ACC, when the time comes, that will find it hard to compete. Maybe it's Duke, maybe it's Wake Forest..
 
Reminder: Please report all the Duke fans who are simply here to troll. They want nothing to do with discussing Kentucky, and all they want to do is spout Duke non sesne and try and get one over on UK fans.
 
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When are these little dumb high school recruits going to realize that Mike Krzyzewski ain't walking through that door. They're going to Duke to play for a coach that if 95% of the people in America walked past Jon Scheyer on the sidewalk that they wouldn't know who he was. I would rather for Duke & Scheyer to get him because Scheyer won't know what to do with him compared to UCONN & Danny Hurley who's a proven great coach.
 
When are these little dumb high school recruits going to realize that Mike Krzyzewski ain't walking through that door. They're going to Duke to play for a coach that if 95% of the people in America walked past Jon Scheyer on the sidewalk that they wouldn't know who he was. I would rather for Duke & Scheyer to get him because Scheyer won't know what to do with him compared to UCONN & Danny Hurley who's a proven great coach.
255-160 career record and has been past the sweet 16 once or twice is a proven great coach?
 
Flagg is an exceptional talent, but he is definitely not any better or more dominatn than Zion. Zion had great talent with him and they still didn't win a title. Its hard o win a title even if you have the best team. These aren't best of 7 series.

I thought I read an article that the Boozer twins DID NOT want to play on same team with Flagg. That could be the only positive with him going to Duke, maybe the twins go elsewhere like UK :)
 
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Flagg is an exceptional talent, but he is definitely not any better or more dominatn than Zion. Zion had great talent with him and they still didn't win a title. Its hard o win a title even if you have the best team. These aren't best of 7 series.

I thought I read an article that the Boozer twins DID NOT want to play on same team with Flagg. That could be the only positive with him going to Duke, maybe the twins go elsewhere like UK :)
Different class. Flagg won’t be there when the Boozers are in school
 
Great. Duke getting straight ballers who look like a mix between Jordan and bird while we have nothing but question marks and guys just taking years off, coming up with mysterious injuries to protect their stock etc. etc.

Yay go Cal!! He’s the greatest because John wall and Anthony Davis!!! Whoo hoo!! Is that how I’m supposed to do it? Makes me sick.
 
I dont get this.. Flagg was a Duke lock over a year ago. Why the outrage? I'd be a little more worried if Duke came from out of nowhere to steal a recruit from someone. This kid was going to Duke before Scheyer even became a coach.

Sure, I'd rather he have gone to Uconn.. but this was pretty expected, and i'm not even sure Duke did a whole lot to get him.
 
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Flagg is an exceptional talent, but he is definitely not any better or more dominatn than Zion. Zion had great talent with him and they still didn't win a title. Its hard o win a title even if you have the best team. These aren't best of 7 series.

I thought I read an article that the Boozer twins DID NOT want to play on same team with Flagg. That could be the only positive with him going to Duke, maybe the twins go elsewhere like UK :)
I think you sure chose the right word when you said "dominating" in reference to Zion Williamson. Sometimes a freak of nature comes along that is so hard to try to deal with that he just negatively alters the game of the opposition. It doesn't even matter that a guy like that still has gapping flaws in his game. He is just so athletically dominating that it doesn't really matter.
 
I dont get this.. Flagg was a Duke lock over a year ago. Why the outrage? I'd be a little more worried if Duke came from out of nowhere to steal a recruit from someone. This kid was going to Duke before Scheyer even became a coach.

Sure, I'd rather he have gone to Uconn.. but this was pretty expected, and i'm not even sure Duke did a whole lot to get him.
Not necessarily outrage because Duke got him, at least for me. Only because he’s the best player I’ve seen in a long long time and you don’t even hear Kentucky mentioned with guys like that anymore.

Idk man, I was at the Georgetown game. I’ve been to a lot of games over the years. Something isn’t right. I can’t put a finger on it, but it seems to me other teams just want it more. I want guys who just want to win (I do think we have a few), but we’ve been lacking in that area in recent years imo. I’ll leave it at that.
 
I told you guys last week when the UConn stuff came out. It is standard MO for Duke to have guys to act like they are going somewhere else at the end but then announce Duke like they came in a stole them away, when everyone knew it would be Duke. I don't get their fascination with doing that. I imagine that Scheyer and Rat Face are sitting in Scheyers office giggling like a school girls right now.
Sword fighting the win!
 
Not necessarily outrage because Duke got him, at least for me. Only because he’s the best player I’ve seen in a long long time and you don’t even hear Kentucky mentioned with guys like that anymore.

Idk man, I was at the Georgetown game. I’ve been to a lot of games over the years. Something isn’t right. I can’t put a finger on it, but it seems to me other teams just want it more. I want guys who just want to win (I do think we have a few), but we’ve been lacking in that area in recent years imo. I’ll leave it at that.

But we DID just get like 4 guys in the top10 (despite what another poster said above, that somehow this doesn't count lol).

He's one player, who will play for them for just one season. I'm not going to pretend I didn't want him or anything, but he was theirs to lose and likely got a shit ton of legitimate (and illegitimate) money to do so.
 
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It's spinning as we speak. FSU and Clemson looking to leave, and there are rumbling there may be more. This shouldn't be a shock, though. The ACC is bad at football and even basketball, it's pretty "meh" aside from Duke and UNC. It's only a matter of time before the ACC is turned into a mid-major program for football and basketball.. so Duke needs to figure out their next move, if there is one.

Line,

Whenever Clemson and FSU finally decide to walk out the door, please remind them to kindly drop that $100 million exit fee check in the drop slot before they hit the parking lot.
 
Line,

Whenever Clemson and FSU finally decide to walk out the door please remind them to drop that $100 million exit fee check in the drop slot before they hit the parking lot.

I'm just going by what the articles are saying. Will they leave? Maybe not. But the ACC is a sitting duck right now.. and why do I get the sense these schools can/could find ways to skirt whatever these fees are?

If the SEC wants FSU, don't you think FSU will find a way to make it happen? Or will they say "sorry, we owe the ACC, can you save us a spot for 2036?"
 
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UK and co will face Flagg next year.

The 2024 Champions Classic just got a bit more intriguing. With the Kentucky Wildcats and Duke Blue Devils set to battle in the high-profile event, there will be at least one superstar playing in that game, and his name is Cooper Flagg.

Flagg is expected to be the top recruit in the Class of 2024 and will likely end up being the No. 1 overall pick in the 2025 NBA Draft. Duke was the overwhelming favorite to land Flagg, so this doesn’t come as a surprise he committed to the Blue Devils on Monday.

Flagg is a 6-foot-8 power forward from Florida and reclassified in August from the 2025 class to 2024. He went with Duke over UConn, a program coming off a national championship.

The Cats have two commits for 2024. Those are four-star point guard Boogie Fland and four-star center Somto Cyril. They do not have a five-star prospect yet, but Fland does rank 33rd in the nation, per 247 Sports.
Boogie is 10th overall (down 3 spots after announcing for UK, obviously) in Rivals' rankings. Best PG. Why so low in 247?
 
I'm just going by what the articles are saying. Will they leave? Maybe not. But the ACC is a sitting duck right now.. and why do I get the sense these schools can/could find ways to skirt whatever these fees?

If the SEC wants FSU, don't you think FSU will find a way to make it happen? Or will they say "sorry, we owe the ACC, can you save us a spot for 2036?"

There’s really no telling regarding the future when it comes to that kind of thing the way everything has changed. The ACC has adopted a new "success incentive initiative" that will begin in 2024-25, when the expanded College Football Playoff begins. FSU’s AD described the merit-based distribution model as "a step in the right direction.” This was back around June which was before they added these three schools.

Supposedly the ACC will bring in an estimated $72 million of additional revenue by pursuing that expansion, which will be distributed to members both on an equal footing and also to some through the incentive structure based on football success.
 
I'm just going by what the articles are saying. Will they leave? Maybe not. But the ACC is a sitting duck right now.. and why do I get the sense these schools can/could find ways to skirt whatever these fees are?

If the SEC wants FSU, don't you think FSU will find a way to make it happen? Or will they say "sorry, we owe the ACC, can you save us a spot for 2036?”
UNC has hired 3 New York law firms with lawyers at $2,000+ hour to get them out of it; and the opinion back was it can’t be done absent a $65 million per year exit fee for each year through 2035. The only way a school could afford it is if each school in the accepting conference kicks in to pay the exit fee of the departing school wishing to join the new conference. No schools in the accepting conference has publicly announced an interest in doing so (and is especially unlikely in SEC or Big10 where the optics and policy of state schools spending that kind of money on another institution is awful). Like it or not, the ACC’s GOR is iron clad.
 
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