Cam Johnson commits to UNC
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This wasn't how it was mapped out. The kid held out too long and missed the boat on a few of his top teams.... uk, uf and zona.
I don't know if him comitting to one of those would have changed decisions for other players, but his wait and see approach didn't work out great, IMO.
I don't know if him comitting to one of those would have changed decisions for other players, but his wait and see approach didn't work out great, IMO.
Cal has consistently won with 'freshman' centers, power forwards, and small forwards. As mentioned above he won the 2012 championship with freshmen and a sophomore as his starters
Wrong.
Buzz Williams and Virginia Tech granted Adam Smith a release to play anywhere he chose. Smith was a Grad Student who transferred to GT and averaged more points for VT than Johnson did for Pitt. Both players played one year under the new coaches. Smith was eligible immediately.
http://www.roanoke.com/sports/virgi...cle_b9aec5b9-0cab-5cfd-b51c-9edce9c9aeef.html
Just because I'm sick of the "doing more with less" narrative that UNC trolls want to push, here are the high school senior RSCIs for all the major players on UNC's title team:
Isaiah Hicks: 14
Kennedy Meeks: 56 (took a HUGE drop after senior year, but was ranked much higher)
Theo Pinson: 15
Joel Berry: 25
Justin Jackson: 9
Nate Britt: 93
Tony Bradley: 19
That is a blue-chip team. That is four 5-stars in the rotation supplemented by a number of high 4-stars, and almost all of them were upperclassmen. That's like if we kept Tyler Ulis, Dakari Johnson, KAT, and Devin Booker for three or four years.
UNC did not do more with less. They did more with more. And their pipeline is empty from years of bad recruiting. All those top-30 players they had staying four years are gone. After the Berry/Pinson group leaves, UNC is gonna be trash for a long time.
Isaiah Hicks: 14
Kennedy Meeks: 56 (took a HUGE drop after senior year, but was ranked much higher)
Theo Pinson: 15
Joel Berry: 25
Justin Jackson: 9
Nate Britt: 93
Tony Bradley: 19
That is a blue-chip team. That is four 5-stars in the rotation supplemented by a number of high 4-stars, and almost all of them were upperclassmen. That's like if we kept Tyler Ulis, Dakari Johnson, KAT, and Devin Booker for three or four years.
UNC did not do more with less. They did more with more. And their pipeline is empty from years of bad recruiting. All those top-30 players they had staying four years are gone. After the Berry/Pinson group leaves, UNC is gonna be trash for a long time.
Got blasted in that game by a team that UL beat by 40 in their conference tournament.
Look, I'm rooting for the Cats, and I'm rooting for Cal. I'm just not getting fired up over a team that will have zero upper classmen. An all freshmen team has never won the title and in my opinion never will. Will this year's team be successful? No doubt in my mind. Probably win the SEC, make a decent run in the tournament. Do they have a chance to win the title? No way. No shot. And that sucks but it's the trend.
Bingo. Last season's UNC team had the perfect mix of talented lower and upper classmen. Thus, a title.
You're fighting a losing battle. Those who believe you have to have experience to win a title will never budge. If we were to win this year, they would say it was because WG, SKJ, Wynyard and Brad returned, even if none of them see a minute in the title game. It started with you can't win with any freshmen, then it moved to you can't win with a freshmen PG, and now it is, well you can't win starting 5 freshmen. But once someone does that, and someone will, it will be you can't win with all freshmen.
People just aren't willing to admit that there is no grounds by which to tie tournament failures to experience. Are there freshmen laden teams that lose in the tournament? Yes, but there are also senior laden teams losing as well. How about this one, Cal's most experienced starting five, lost in the second round. Cal's most freshmen laden starting five, lost in the championship game.
And don't forget the help from the refs, not once, not twice, but at least 3 out of their 6 games.
Geesh that's pretty much every team other than UK or perhaps Duke. What a bold statement.
Blasted? Six points is getting blasted? As for never been dones and all that, every single record for any sport at any level had never been done before. I hate that argument.
Also that bit about UL beating them by 33 (not 40), Duke won it in 2015, the year they got beat at home by 16, by a team that didn't make the tournament.
Good thing he already has his degree!http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/06/06/north-carolina-adds-pitt-transfer-cam-johnson/
As of now Johnsons transfer to UNC is still being blocked, so he won't be eligible to play this upcoming season. Considering how good UK is gonna be this season he might as well sit this one out anyway.
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So should that be Cal and UK's goal. Try to do something that's never been done by winning a title with all freshmen? Why?
Why not just base your team off of what's been proven to work over and over again?
Just give it up and go play on UNCheats board already, you know the bastards that cheated for almost twenty years !! you seem like you would be happier over there !!
I guess the question is, based on history, what would you rather have? A team with a mix of talented lower and upper classmen? Or a team of talented freshmen?
Talent over experience is Cal's philosophy and he's been pretty successful with it. With the way the one and done system is at the moment I don't see him changing back to how everyone else is building teams.
And let's cut the bs with Carolina and how great they are. They had no business even being in the tournament last year. And how many games were they bailed out by shady officiating? It's unbelievable how one school can get away with so much corruption and have nothing done to them.
I'd rather win a title every year with players that have all stayed 4 yrs. I'd also rather be a millionaire and married to Salma Hayek.
Cal's system is what it is. He can't force people to stay, and contrary to some people's belief, he does sometimes tell them to stay. We are not going to get the kind of players that stick around like the cheaters do. If you need that to not be a stick in the mud, then you should look elsewhere.
Cal's system is what it is. He can't force people to stay, and contrary to some people's belief, he does sometimes tell them to stay. We are not going to get the kind of players that stick around like the cheaters do. If you need that to not be a stick in the mud, then you should look elsewhere.
You guys act like this guy is something special. Alright player but not huge. Unc and cam will burn
Johnson is not an NBA player. The only reason taht would make sense is if he is actually going to use his degree and UNC is the best place to obtain it.
None of us know the truth of what Cal tells these players in regard to going and staying so don't act like you do. That's the most over-used talking point on here "Cal doesn't make them leave, he gives them feedback and let's them make their own decisions" blah blah blah. None of us know. None.
All we have are results. We don't know what he tells them. All we know is that an astronomical amount of players are leaving. All we know is that many are leaving without first round guarantees. Hell, some are leaving early without any NBA possibility at all. Why? Why did Bam leave when he didn't even have (at the time) 1st round projections?
You can get behind the system all you want and get behind Cal's main agenda of "changing lives" and getting kids to the pros. Does it work for winning titles? I don't know. My opinion is that it can get you close but it won't win the big one. I think that opinion is being proven accurate over and over again. Unfortunate
Which is probably another good reason to not come to UK. If he's not an NBA player he should look elsewhere.
Wtf are you talking about? He's already won a title. Your opinion is dumb.
Think about the difference between his title team and the teams he's fielding lately. His title team had one VERY talented senior in Darius Miller. It had two very talented sophomores in Lamb and Jones. Oh and it just happened to have arguably the greatest freshmen to ever lace them up at the collegiate level in Anthony Davis. So again, talented freshmen to go along with talented veteran players. Again, last year's UNC national title team; talented lower classmen and talented upperclassmen.
This year's UK team? All freshmen. Yes a couple of returning sophomores, one that never played and another that was bi-polar.
Again, not a championship caliber team because so many players left.
Look at pre-season top rated teams for this coming season. What do they all have in common with the exception of UK? They all returned good players. Arizona, UNC, UL, Witchita St, Duke, Kansas. Obviously it's pretty important.
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That's for sure! No classes, no work, free rental cars, and God knows what else! Great school!
And if Higgins doesn't ref any of our NCAA games your opinion would be proven inaccurate again and again. This isn't a missed call here and there. This is an easily proven pattern of corruption and bias by one ref against Cal/UK.
So Sophomores are considered veteran players now? If you play two years instead of one that's the magic number lol. Last years team had Briscoe and Humphries, along with two seniors who played a ton of minutes. Should've guaranteed a title right? The truth is you don't like the system Cal runs and you make up silly arguments why he won't win ANOTHER title. This is inspite of the results that show almost every year UK is among the favorites to win it all and has tourney success to go along with it.
So is agenda posting coming into every thread with the same nonsense and derailing the thread over and over, or is there a different definition I'm unaware of?
Because if a discussion about Cam Johnson committing to UNC and whether he'll be eligible and the transfer rules and ALL of the potential discussion to be had somehow becomes ANOTHER "Cal won't ever win it all without my ever-changing criteria that can never be satisfied" from Cut Nets, then scrap the damn rule and let's just go wild.
Almost forgot to tag you guys. @jedwar, @JohnBlue_
Because if a discussion about Cam Johnson committing to UNC and whether he'll be eligible and the transfer rules and ALL of the potential discussion to be had somehow becomes ANOTHER "Cal won't ever win it all without my ever-changing criteria that can never be satisfied" from Cut Nets, then scrap the damn rule and let's just go wild.
Almost forgot to tag you guys. @jedwar, @JohnBlue_
Last season was a great mix, the perfect recipe. Last season's team had what it took to win it. I thought Higgins cost us the title? Isn't that what all of you were saying?
Hope he enjoys watch the post-season from his dorm room next season.
Are you implying that the NCAA is going to impose sanctions on the University of North Carolina basketball program for blatant academic fraud ? If so, you are wrong.
No my opinion would not be proven inaccurate. Had Higgins not interfered I think UK wins it. And this past season's team had that mix of talented freshmen and talented upper classmen.
Next season's team does not because everyone left.
Look I don't think I'm pointing out some outrageous belief. My belief is that it takes a combination of both talented underclassmen and talented upperclassmen. I don't think that can be argued or denied based on history. My fear is that, with Cal's penchant for sending kids to the pros by the masses, we will never, or very very rarely, field a team consisting of those components. I know it offends many on here, but I think there is merit to the point.
In regard to Cam Johnson, it's just another example of taking youth over experience. I'm thrilled to get Diallo back, but one has to wonder what a veteran, talented player like Johnson could bring to this UK team chalk full of talented freshmen.
Thats one thing we agree on. He did cost us the UNC game and we would've been favorites to win it all after that game. It wouldn't have been a guaranteed title though.
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Bird in the hand...
Or are you suggesting Cal should have advised Diallo remain in the draft? Cause that contradicts most of your other posts.
Both UCONN games and the Wisconsin game were tainted also. Higgins just didn't have the body of work to point to at the time. Now he's demonstrated a clear agenda.
