Cal: ulis won't return next year

[brianpoe]

its hard to say what I would do but this is not a one size fits all. Everybody is their own person, not every single player in college has gone for the NBA money the first chance they had for various reasons. He will probably go and that's OK, nothing wrong with that. Will be happy for the Kid but personally does nothing for me and my family and selfishly I don't get to watch him shine at the collegiate level like he is now. The assertion I take issue with on other posters is that "he has to go". He is a sophomore and 19 or 20 years old, he does not have to do anything. As I just stated in my previous post before this one, he could easily blow out a knee in summer league following the draft and never step foot on an NBA court. There are never any guarantees in life. Players long before the NBA started drafting kids played 3-4 years of college ball and did just fine.

Also laugh at the assertion that you lose money by not going sooner. I hardly doubt anyone who plays in the NBA for 10 plus years and makes anywhere from 50-100 million dollars is worried about the income they lost by not going as soon as they could and lost out that one or two years worth of salary. Your worth in the NBA will be what it will be regardless if you end up going at age 18 or 22. If your are a one contract player and do not last in the NBA will it matter what age you went?

I'm with you on a lot of this, but the 2nd contract is huge.

You are talking 10 to 20 million dollars per year. And your age has much to do with it.

AD started off at $5M as the #1 pick, his new contract pays him $27M on his last year alone.

Imagine players drafted much lower yet excelling to a max contract. Its huge.

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

its hard to say what I would do but this is not a one size fits all. Everybody is their own person, not every single player in college has gone for the NBA money the first chance they had for various reasons. He will probably go and that's OK, nothing wrong with that. Will be happy for the Kid but personally does nothing for me and my family and selfishly I don't get to watch him shine at the collegiate level like he is now. The assertion I take issue with on other posters is that "he has to go". He is a sophomore and 19 or 20 years old, he does not have to do anything. As I just stated in my previous post before this one, he could easily blow out a knee in summer league following the draft and never step foot on an NBA court. There are never any guarantees in life. Players long before the NBA started drafting kids played 3-4 years of college ball and did just fine.

Also laugh at the assertion that you lose money by not going sooner. I hardly doubt anyone who plays in the NBA for 10 plus years and makes anywhere from 50-100 million dollars is worried about the income they lost by not going as soon as they could and lost out that one or two years worth of salary. Your worth in the NBA will be what it will be regardless if you end up going at age 18 or 22. If your are a one contract player and do not last in the NBA will it matter what age you went?

Well it generally does matter when you go..from a business standpoint if you go in at 18 that's more use able years for an organization....pretty common sense. And if it's a one year contract, it's easier to deal a younger player for money than an older one because of the return on investment a buyer wants. Two if you go early...what makes you better .playing against pro competition, learning the organizations, the way the games played at that level...or playing college. Seems pretty obvious.

And the nba did fine in the past drafting 3/4 yr guys because guys weren't as good as they are bow at a younger age....the game has changed..kids play all year round now for one, and are already getting individual workout time that didn't exist before. Like any business, technology, service..things improve and become more efficient over time.

 

[mebeblue2]

So, sick of this model. It's produced 1 championship (who cares about final fours) and it's only championships that matter around here these days. Last year was an utter embarrassment and biggest choke jobs I can remember. Now, we will lose one of my favorite players in a long time because of Cal's arrogance from a recruiting pitch (Look! Come here and I will get you to the NBA in 1 to 2 years) standpoint and pushing him out the door. Whatever, I guess. I couldn't care less what they do in the NBA. Crap product for the past 20 years.

Who I hope does go to the NBA is Skal. Seven feet of nothing.

so you like the UL model better?

 

[_NewWorldOrder_]

I still say he's back. do y'all really. For one second think if he wants to come back Cal wont let him? If he wants to come back he'll be back. And I think he'll want to come back.

 

[cats2010]

I must awesome that you do not run a business or own your own...
Relying in insurance...you've got to be kidding me.
if he loses one year or pay...just the compounding interest on that...smh

Goodness gracious, I own my own freaking company, what difference does it make. Insurance is only the backup for the elusive injury that is out there preventing thousands of NBA hopefuls every single year from reaching their dreams of playing professionally because they twist an ankle...smh Everyone always states someone has to go because what if they get injured, hence the insurance policy most have that can get them.

Riddle me this Einstein. Say Tyler gets drafted 2nd round this year and then gets the elusive career ending injury playing in the summer league before he has finalized a contract. Where does that leave him? I'll give you a hint, $0 dollars generates $0 interest.

But lets just play devils advocate here for a second. Lets not all be selfish and lets think of Tylers career. His stock has never been higher with his level of play thus far so he has done all he can do to this point except win a title which lets be honest wont pay him a dime. Tyler should sit out the remainder of the year and just wait for the draft. Everytime he steps onto the court he is risking his future. He has already proved his worth to the NBA GM's and has nothing to gain here on out. Same thing could be said for Murray too. Guess we as fans are just being selfish wanting them to finish playing out the year.

 

[Blueaz]

Goodness gracious, I own my own freaking company, what difference does it make. Insurance is only the backup for the elusive injury that is out there preventing thousands of NBA hopefuls every single year from reaching their dreams of playing professionally because they twist an ankle...smh Everyone always states someone has to go because what if they get injured, hence the insurance policy most have that can get them.

Riddle me this Einstein. Say Tyler gets drafted 2nd round this year and then gets the elusive career ending injury playing in the summer league before he has finalized a contract. Where does that leave him? I'll give you a hint, $0 dollars generates $0 interest.

But lets just play devils advocate here for a second. Lets not all be selfish and lets think of Tylers career. His stock has never been higher with his level of play thus far so he has done all he can do to this point except win a title which lets be honest wont pay him a dime. Tyler should sit out the remainder of the year and just wait for the draft. Everytime he steps onto the court he is risking his future. He has already proved his worth to the NBA GM's and has nothing to gain here on out. Same thing could be said for Murray too. Guess we as fans are just being selfish wanting them to finish playing out the year.

blah, blah, blah...if "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts

Tyler will be his own company and needs to make the best long term financial decision for that company...staying, may or may not be. I am confident (hopeful) he will pick the correct decision for HIS future

 

[ccukuk]

If he gets word that he will be taken in the first round, I'd go. But if he doesn't, I'd return, and that's what I personally believe will happen. A junior Ulis would be insane. He would be a first rounder.

You keep arguing the same point. What you seem to miss is obvious. He has shown what he can do. He is considered one of the top two or three pg's in the nation. What more would he show next year as his scoring dips, playing time dips(Fox will absolutely play)? He's great now, the scouts see that.
Oh, next year's draft class will be 5-6 players deeper/better. No big deal-just enough to give him little to no 1st round chance.
To those whining about Cal and saying he wouldn't let him return and he lives for the draft, blah, blah, blah. There is a reason this string of unprecedented recruiting success exists. Leave and go be a Card fan.

 

[mj2k10]

Easy retort.

Yeah. Because the 100% unfiltered idiocy you posted really, really, really deserves a serious response.

 

[westerncat]

Guys Tyler is gone this year. Avery Johnson said he can play in the NBA and many others have said the same. If he came back and got hurt he could end up loosing a lot of money. I can see him going in the 1st round. He is already being talked about POY.

 

[BBUK]

What?

You haven't learned me yet. Shame on you.... (I thought you had.)

 

[CharlieT71059]

Enjoy Mrt Ulis, He wont be abck

 

[BBUK]

Nice try but I own my own business and have for years. I also went to college. I guess by your assertion unless it is 100% required. ie. Doctor, lawyer, etc. No one should go to college and head straight for the workforce. I mean think about it. Even if you only get a job making $9-$10/hour that's $75,000 you are sacrificing over a 4 year period not to mention the $30,000 average student loan debt that comes with it.

and I always love the blow a knee assertion as if that can only happen in college. He could blow his knee in summer league after getting drafted 2nd round and then what?

You totally lost me. Not much time to correct your post. if you want a response please respond to what i actually stated. No issue if you don't but I will respond to my actual statement. I hope you are successful. I hope TU does not follow your advice. be Good

 

[Wall2Boogie]

I just found it kind of weird for cal to say this especially in the regular season. A lot can happen between now and then. It kind of puts pressure on ulis to go out and have atleast a 20 point game every night not to mention 40mpg. I wouldn't say I'm completely sold that he's gone. He would be an excellent general and mentor for the incoming guards. Does this also mean, briscoe maybe back another year?

 

[DrH. Lecter]

I want Ty to be a millionaire. I hope he is a lottery pick. He deserves it.

 

[Blueaz]

I'm with you on a lot of this, but the 2nd contract is huge.

You are talking 10 to 20 million dollars per year. And your age has much to do with it.

AD started off at $5M as the #1 pick, his new contract pays him $27M on his last year alone.

Imagine players drafted much lower yet excelling to a max contract. Its huge.

I tried that argument already....right over his head

 

[Blueaz]

I just found it kind of weird for cal to say this especially in the regular season. A lot can happen between now and then. It kind of puts pressure on ulis to go out and have atleast a 20 point game every night not to mention 40mpg. I wouldn't say I'm completely sold that he's gone. He would be an excellent general and mentor for the incoming guards. Does this also mean, briscoe maybe back another year?

hmmm...maybe he IS trying to add a little pressure to him
maybe he thinks he can do even more...

 

[CaliforniaCatFan58]

I have been watching UK since 1968 and a Sophmore Tyler Ulis is the best college PG to play at UK since I have been a fan. I wish he was here for two more years but I hope he gets drafted 1st round and makes millions of dollars. We may not win it all or even make it to FF but if we fail it will not be because of TU.

You my friend are correct on all points! Go Cats and Tyler Ulis.

 

[etownblue25]

Not sure why a second rounder would go but it's Cal's way.

Because Cal tells them to leave when he thinks they can no longer improve their draft situation. Ulis is having a great year and its a down draft. If he were to come back there is nothing more he could do to improve his position. He is what he is, he has reached his ceiling in College and can't do anything more besides get hurt.

 

[BLEEDBLUE444]

His stock will never get higher than its going to be, especially after he tears through competiton at the NCAA tourney and wins us #9

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

So, sick of this model. It's produced 1 championship (who cares about final fours) and it's only championships that matter around here these days. Last year was an utter embarrassment and biggest choke jobs I can remember. Now, we will lose one of my favorite players in a long time because of Cal's arrogance from a recruiting pitch (Look! Come here and I will get you to the NBA in 1 to 2 years) standpoint and pushing him out the door. Whatever, I guess. I couldn't care less what they do in the NBA. Crap product for the past 20 years.

Who I hope does go to the NBA is Skal. Seven feet of nothing.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...Montrezl Harrel preseason all american ended a no all american. WCS chases butterflies and didn't even know if he liked basketball...was the 6th pick in the draft. Shaquan Aaron was a higher rated recruit than Booker..One couldn't get off the bench, one was in the 3 point contest last wknd

PPL GET BETTER HERE

That's your perogative if you don't like the nba..but generally people that say things like your don't understand the game at that level.

Oh btw, what did Duke win with last year....was it 1 and dones? Cal isn't promising anyone anything.

 

[cats2010]

I tried that argument already....right over his head

Not sure how you figure it went right over my head when I have not even responded to you yet nor Brian. The only thing I agree with is the 2nd contract part, you get to the Bigger money faster, age 22 instead of age 25, however I don't necessarily agree that a 22 year old will get paid more on the 2nd contract than a 25 year old would simply because he is 3 years younger. I get the consensus of the whole argument. if 30 is your shelf life for playing basketball better to go at 19 years old and play for 11 years than to go at 22 and play 8 years. Its simple economics, however with the amount of money professionals make how many years of playing professional basketball must one play making multiple millions a year before they are set for life. If they went pro at age 22 and after playing 8 years of professional ball are not set yet then I would think its pretty safe to assume the other 3 years they missed out on would hardly do the trick either. Give them a lot more spending money for certain so if that's your argument then i'll concede.

 

[Jkwo]

Yes he is but also the reason as a fan to feel cheated to see what a player like Ulis could be on the collegiate level for his remaining 2 years. In college he is a stud, in the NBA whenever he makes that jump he will just be another player.

Money will always be there, college life and the chance of being THE star can only last for 4 short years at most. I despise the NBA for robbing all the young talent they do now.

If your kid was a 5'9 first team AA playing in a horribly weak draft year, and he was trying to decide between declaring and locking down a contract versus staying behind and risking injury playing for no income, what would you tell him to do?

If you say you'd tell him to stay, you're not a great parent. If you say you'd tell your kid to leave, then by saying Ulis should stay, you're just turning him into a pawn for your own enjoyment instead of a great young man whose future should be looked out for.

 

[Jkwo]

Not sure how you figure it went right over my head when I have not even responded to you yet nor Brian. The only thing I agree with is the 2nd contract part, you get to the Bigger money faster, age 22 instead of age 25, however I don't necessarily agree that a 22 year old will get paid more on the 2nd contract than a 25 year old would simply because he is 3 years younger. I get the consensus of the whole argument. if 30 is your shelf life for playing basketball better to go at 19 years old and play for 11 years than to go at 22 and play 8 years. Its simple economics, however with the amount of money professionals make how many years of playing professional basketball must one play making multiple millions a year before they are set for life. If they went pro at age 22 and after playing 8 years of professional ball are not set yet then I would think its pretty safe to assume the other 3 years they missed out on would hardly do the trick either. Give them a lot more spending money for certain so if that's your argument then i'll concede.

I have a feeling that most of the "Tyler should stay 4 years" crowd are highly traditional guys - likely republicans who pride themselves on not telling other people what to do with their money....

...except for this one topic, where they are trying to explain that Tyler doesn't really *need* that extra contract because they selfishly want him to stay longer here even though it doesn't benefit him as a player whatsoever.



It's such a dumb argument. It's his life. It's his business. He's brought us unbelievable joy... he's gone 49-8 at this school so far - he hasn't let us lose at Rupp, he's already been part of a final four, he's gonna be one of the precious few First team AAs in history under 6 feet - he is the heart and soul, vocal leader and example leader of this team - he literally can not have given us more.

So if he sees his shot in a crappy draft after a historically good year (especially for a 5'9 guy) that some of you would begrudge him and tell him what his financial decision should be.


....GD it gets my blood boiling.

 

[oldfanofuk]

He has more time to decide this year which will help him. If he can go first round this year he should go, if that's what he wants.

Im just thankful he's a Cat.....

 

[shutzhund]

Ya I guess that accurate

Some one has to be so insanely envious that they allow themselves to be the foolish poster child. I guess you're the one.

 

[ulismyman]

Don't bash those who don't what Ulis to leave...did you want your kids to leave home??? Same thing...i love that kid

 

[cats2010]

I have a feeling that most of the "Tyler should stay 4 years" crowd are highly traditional guys - likely republicans who pride themselves on not telling other people what to do with their money....

...except for this one topic, where they are trying to explain that Tyler doesn't really *need* that extra contract because they selfishly want him to stay longer here even though it doesn't benefit him as a player whatsoever.



It's such a dumb argument. It's his life. It's his business. He's brought us unbelievable joy... he's gone 49-8 at this school so far - he hasn't let us lose at Rupp, he's already been part of a final four, he's gonna be one of the precious few First team AAs in history under 6 feet - he is the heart and soul, vocal leader and example leader of this team - he literally can not have given us more.

So if he sees his shot in a crappy draft after a historically good year (especially for a 5'9 guy) that some of you would begrudge him and tell him what his financial decision should be.


....GD it gets my blood boiling.

Aha, Yes it is. Please find one quote of mine where I stated that Tyler would be better served by staying four years as opposed to going pro early. (Spoiler Alert: you wont find it) My counter the entire time has been to the HE HAS TO GO CROWD. As you stated its his life, his decision. it is a joy to watch him play and selfishly yes I would love to watch him play two more years at UK but will certainly not begrudge him if he leaves early.

Hard to imagine how much money Tim Duncan would have at his disposal now if he would have left after his sophomore year instead of staying all four years. I bet he hardly sleeps at night wondering what could of been.

 

[Jkwo]

Aha, Yes it is. Please find one quote of mine where I stated that Tyler would be better served by staying four years as opposed to going pro early. (Spoiler Alert: you wont find it) My counter the entire time has been to the HE HAS TO GO CROWD. As you stated its his life, his decision. it is a joy to watch him play and selfishly yes I would love to watch him play two more years at UK but will certainly not begrudge him if he leaves early.

Hard to imagine how much money Tim Duncan would have at his disposal now if he would have left after his sophomore year instead of staying all four years. I bet he hardly sleeps at night wondering what could of been.

The first part of what you're saying is all fair. So I won't put you in that crowd - but that crowd does exist.

The second part is ridiculous.

Tim Duncan is a max contract player. He made money like an A list movie star most of his career.

Tyler, assuming he succeeds, will be a mid-level rotation guy, making a small fraction of what Duncan made, adjusting for inflation.

 

[DeerTurkHunter1]

Oh trust me I can definitely see that. I just don't believe he can't get even better as a junior. If Ulis came in and was close to leading the nation in several categories, like steals, he could absolutely climb. I think a junior in Ulis would be POY.

You know, I thought you were crazy when you posted Ulis needs to come back but then I started thinking about the talent he would have to set up next year. He could run the point with Fox and Monk on the wings and Bam and Wenyen in the lane. Maybe Willis, Humphries and Sascha from the bench, WOW. He would average 15 assists per game for sure with that talent. Maybe your thoughts are not so far fetched after all.

 

[WeWant9]

I would love to see him back with the class we have coming in, but if I were him I'd strongly consider entering the draft. His stock is insanely high, everyone is praising the kid from opposing coaches to the media. He basically put this team on his back from day 1, it's like having an extra coach out on the floor. He's been a blast watching play.

No reason to worry about this right now though folks, let's enjoy these last 3 games + tourney games. When this time comes it comes.

 

[cats2010]

The first part of what you're saying is all fair. So I won't put you in that crowd - but that crowd does exist.

The second part is ridiculous.

Tim Duncan is a max contract player. He made money like an A list movie star most of his career.

Tyler, assuming he succeeds, will be a mid-level rotation guy, making a small fraction of what Duncan made, adjusting for inflation.

Well I disagree that its ridiculous. The whole argument is go as early as you can and get paid while you can as it will not last long. If Tyler is a one or two contract player or any player for that matter it will not matter if they go at age 19, 20, or 21. Their worth will be what it is If a player gets two contracts or more and fail financially then nobody to blame but themselves. Heck only one contract at minimum salary, is a good jump start on things if your career fizzles out.

 

[wildcatglenn]

Cal is recruiting, calm down. If He Gets A 1st Round grade and it's a real possibility for him. He needs to go. Can't blame him one bit

 

[BBUK]

Well I disagree that its ridiculous. The whole argument is go as early as you can and get paid while you can as it will not last long. If Tyler is a one or two contract player or any player for that matter it will not matter if they go at age 19, 20, or 21. Their worth will be what it is If a player gets two contracts or more and fail financially then nobody to blame but themselves. Heck only one contract at minimum salary, is a good jump start on things if your career fizzles out.

Seems minimalistic to me. I'm not a gambler but geez... Wish the young man well with whatever he decides...

 

[Blueaz]

I've said it before and I'll say it again...Montrezl Harrel preseason all american ended a no all american. WCS chases butterflies and didn't even know if he liked basketball...was the 6th pick in the draft. Shaquan Aaron was a higher rated recruit than Booker..One couldn't get off the bench, one was in the 3 point contest last wknd

PPL GET BETTER HERE

That's your perogative if you don't like the nba..but generally people that say things like your don't understand the game at that level.

Oh btw, what did Duke win with last year....was it 1 and dones? Cal isn't promising anyone anything.

Great post

 

[Bluegrassking]

Well I disagree that its ridiculous. The whole argument is go as early as you can and get paid while you can as it will not last long. If Tyler is a one or two contract player or any player for that matter it will not matter if they go at age 19, 20, or 21. Their worth will be what it is If a player gets two contracts or more and fail financially then nobody to blame but themselves. Heck only one contract at minimum salary, is a good jump start on things if your career fizzles out.

Purely selfish rationalization. Two years of an eight year career is 25% of his potential earning ability, that is huge.
If you then account for the difference in both value of the first contract and the increased odds of getting to the second contract by taking advantage of a weaker draft and having improved odds of making the first round it becomes clear that the mental calculus and gymnastics aren't about the young man's best interests but your own entertainment value and if the kid's future suffers for it he isn't you or yours and you have already rationalized it to be their fault no matter what anyway.

Pitiful.

 

[BBUK]

Purely selfish rationalization. Two years of an eight year career is 25% of his potential earning ability, that is huge.
If you then account for the difference in both value of the first contract and the increased odds of getting to the second contract by taking advantage of a weaker draft and having improved odds of making the first round it becomes clear that the mental calculus and gymnastics aren't about the young man's best interests but your own entertainment value and if the kid's future suffers for it he isn't you or yours and you have already rationalized it to be their fault no matter what anyway.

Pitiful.

Uncle Jed, decent post...

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Those of you who had any notion of him returning where either ignorant, naive, or dreaming.

 

[Jkwo]

Purely selfish rationalization. Two years of an eight year career is 25% of his potential earning ability, that is huge.
If you then account for the difference in both value of the first contract and the increased odds of getting to the second contract by taking advantage of a weaker draft and having improved odds of making the first round it becomes clear that the mental calculus and gymnastics aren't about the young man's best interests but your own entertainment value and if the kid's future suffers for it he isn't you or yours and you have already rationalized it to be their fault no matter what anyway.

Pitiful.

Well, I was gonna respond, but this covers pretty much everything.

 

[KingOfBBN]

One of the things I hate about the modern age of college basketball is guys leaving and you not getting a chance to see them grow the three or four years and get that attachment to them.

Ullis is awesome and I was hoping we could get that guy for another two years so he could win a ring.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

I still say he's back. do y'all really. For one second think if he wants to come back Cal wont let him? If he wants to come back he'll be back. And I think he'll want to come back.

When you leave is all about draft position unless you are just hell bent on leaving. This is a very weak draft and Tyler is at his apex in value now. As much as I want him to, staying would be foolish.