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Cal: ulis won't return next year

Go back and listen to it please...Cal seemed smug about telling people we weren't getting a 4 year player..i just didn't care for it....just my opinion
cal was not smug. He is trying to build Tyler Ulis. If Ulis was 6 feet he would be a top two draft pick. Just like some were pissed that we even recruited Ulis after Mudiay. Saying he was too short. Four year player Now that he isn't people are mad. Cal is proving the haters wrong. Newman is enjoying that losing season too.
 
I disagree with you. The year isn't over yet and you have no idea that he won't go in the top 20 this year. Next year the dynamics will be different and he may not stick out like he does this year.

There isn't any player coming in that can take away from Ulis. I mean, I get that he's able to shine this year vs. the chances of next year, but I don't see how anyone could keep Ulis quiet as a junior.

If he's guaranteed first round this year he should go. I'll definitely admit that, I have just thought for a while he's gonna return.
 
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Fox right now in most 2017 NBA Mock Draft Boards is a Top 10 pick for the 2017 NBA Draft. If he comes in and plays like everyone knows he will he will be a TOP 5 pick in the 2017 NBA Draft.
 
i have posted numerous times that someone very close to him said in October that he was going to the NBA this year

i think he goes first round
 
If the season ends on a bad note, I could see him coming back like the Harrison's did. I don't think he will want to leave with less than a Final Four with it being his team. If he does come back (along with some others), we will likely have to platoon again.
 
cal was not smug. He is trying to build Tyler Ulis. If Ulis was 6 feet he would be a top two draft pick. Just like some were pissed that we even recruited Ulis after Mudiay. Saying he was too short. Four year player Now that he isn't people are mad. Cal is proving the haters wrong. Newman is enjoying that losing season too.

I was one of the few 2 years ago that was really happy we missed on mudiay and got Ulis. I had been dreaming of a college oriented guard for a long time, and I got my wish. I will say, had cal gotten his way we wouldn't have got tyler, and we'd have had Mud for 1 year. That could have been disastrous for us.

I hope Cal takes note of it.
 
There isn't any player coming in that can take away from Ulis. I mean, I get that he's able to shine this year vs. the chances of next year, but I don't see how anyone could keep Ulis quiet as a junior.

If he's guaranteed first round this year he should go. I'll definitely admit that, I have just thought for a while he's gonna return.
Thing is Ulis will work better in established team. I know the lottery makes waaay more money. But Ulis needs to go after the lottery to a good team. Could you imagine him with some of the premier front courts !
 
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Thing is Ulis will work better in established team. I know the lottery makes waaay more money. But Ulis needs to go after the lottery to a good team. Could you imagine him with some of the premier front courts !

That's why I think people saying he can't be all too effective in the NBA are crazy. The NBA needs table setters like him.
 
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There isn't any player coming in that can take away from Ulis. I mean, I get that he's able to shine this year vs. the chances of next year, but I don't see how anyone could keep Ulis quiet as a junior.

If he's guaranteed first round this year he should go. I'll definitely admit that, I have just thought for a while he's gonna return.
Fox & Monk are insane but I do agree with that. I strongly doubted Ulis would come back, even before what Cal said, but it ain't because he'd lose playing time. We'd be running 3 guards a lot next year again.
 
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Fox & Monk are insane but I do agree with that. I strongly doubted Ulis would come back, even before what Cal said, but it ain't because he'd lose playing time. We'd be running 3 guards a lot next year again.

And it would absolutely be a championship unless BAM turns into Skal, which aint happening....
 
I was one of the few 2 years ago that was really happy we missed on mudiay and got Ulis. I had been dreaming of a college oriented guard for a long time, and I got my wish. I will say, had cal gotten his way we wouldn't have got tyler, and we'd have had Mud for 1 year. That could have been disastrous for us.

I hope Cal takes note of it.
Sad thing is we wouldn't have had him at all. Briscoe would be our point this year

Ulis is the best recruit blessing Cal ever had. Murray is a close second.
 
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And it would absolutely be a championship unless BAM turns into Skal, which aint happening....
Could you imagine Ulis, Fox & Monk in the backcourt with Gabriel & Bam in front. Bringing Willis, SKJ, & possibly Briscoe off the bench?
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Guys we get it. Nobody wants Ulis to go. He is going to be the hardest breakup of the Calipari era. He is a fan favorite and a favorite of almost all Fans college basketball. We don't want to let him go. He is putting up numbers better than Wall. Bledsoe Knight. Teague twins even rose and Evans.
 
Ulis is gone and I'm happy for him. I'll be shocked if one of the playoff teams don't draft him late in the 1st round.
 
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First, we have this year Ulis & Murray and then next year Fox & Monk in leading us to Back-to-Back Championships!
 
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Not sure why a second rounder would go but it's Cal's way.

It's a weak draft....next year's draft will be guard loaded. He moves down next year because of all the tall & athletic guards. It's his time to go regardless of what you think.
The kid will NEVER under any circumstances be a lottery pick. Go while you're as hot as you'll ever be.

Our fanbase needs to quit being so selfish & babyish about the NBA draft.
 
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If you are any other program you would be told to return for a 3rd year if you are in Ulis shoes. But here we got a coach that says in his words, draft night is what I live for' so you go.

We all thought he was a 3 or 4 year player.Can't keep having this much star power turn over year in year out.
So because you thought it means Ulis must conform to it? Shouldn't what really matters is what Ulis thinks? How do you know that Ulis doesn't feel that he is ready and thinks it's in his best interest to leave after this year?

You're sitting here trying to pretend that this is all on Cal. Like Cal is forcing him to leave and Ulis has no say so in the matter. You have absolutely no clue, so spare us the the faux outrage and stereotypical Cal bashing.
 
He's gone. I truly expect him to go in the high 30s this yr.

While improvements can be made next yr, he's not gonna have this high of a usage. He wont match this years raw numbers. Too many options next season.
 
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You should draft Tyler Ulis. That kid is going to make your team better.

But here's what's going to happen. They're all idiots and won't "waste" a first rounder on him. They'll draft a "freak"who can barely dribble and definitely can't shoot with the idea he'll develop a jump shot(but one not near good enough for a point guard). Or, they'll see some practice tape of an 18 year old Frenchman against YMCA competition. Draft him, have him exposed during the Olympics, and never hear from him again.

Meanwhile, Tyler will catch on. Probably like San Antonio or Indiana that has a smart front office and knows talent. He'll go in, wow everyone with his heart. Be a valuable backup. Win a ring. And a bunch of owners will be asking their GM why their paying Popylana Sucksabunch 3 million dollars to sit on the bench for a 10-70 team when they could have drafted the 1st team all American who played under John Calipari.

I would be an awesome NBA GM.
 
If you are any other program you would be told to return for a 3rd year if you are in Ulis shoes. But here we got a coach that says in his words, draft night is what I live for' so you go.

We all thought he was a 3 or 4 year player. Can't keep having this much star power turn over year in year out.
Ulis is 5'8 in a good day. What he has done this year is nothing short of amazing. Yes most coaches would talk him into staying. But that's just selfish. Isiah Thomas left after two years. That was not the norm then.

Cal actually got lucky with Ulis. He was a backup plan. But in the end it worked out. Be happy for the kid. Don't push him down for his he aught like everyone else. Because u guarantee if he was 6'2 he would be the number one pick. Because Simmons doesn't have 1/10th of his heart and drive and nba scouts see that
 
I didn't realize how exactly good this Fox kid is. The way some of you talk he's a guy that would be going in the lottery this year if he were allowed to go straight to the NBA.

People have compared him to John Wall. He will be really good. Maybe not as good as Ulis, but really good none the less.
 
I think it's garbage to encourage a 2 year 5'9" player to bolt to the league. He is a second round pick. If players are anointing to second td pick I say let them go straight to DL. This stuff is ruining college basketball. People ask what can we do to get people watching college basketball? It's easy have quality basketball. Clean up this one and done or the ability to leave until after jr.
 
You should draft Tyler Ulis. That kid is going to make your team better.

But here's what's going to happen. They're all idiots and won't "waste" a first rounder on him. They'll draft a "freak"who can barely dribble and definitely can't shoot with the idea he'll develop a jump shot(but one not near good enough for a point guard). Or, they'll see some practice tape of an 18 year old Frenchman against YMCA competition. Draft him, have him exposed during the Olympics, and never hear from him again.

Meanwhile, Tyler will catch on. Probably like San Antonio or Indiana that has a smart front office and knows talent. He'll go in, wow everyone with his heart. Be a valuable backup. Win a ring. And a bunch of owners will be asking their GM why their paying Popylana Sucksabunch 3 million dollars to sit on the bench for a 10-70 team when they could have drafted the 1st team all American who played under John Calipari.

I would be an awesome NBA GM.

If I were an NBA GM I would draft all Kentucky players.
 
I think it's garbage to encourage a 2 year 5'9" player to bolt to the league. He is a second round pick. If players are anointing to second td pick I say let them go straight to DL. This stuff is ruining college basketball. People ask what can we do to get people watching college basketball? It's easy have quality basketball. Clean up this one and done or the ability to leave until after jr.
Horrible take. We all don't want him to leave but it is what it is. Next year is loaded. He is the best pG in the draft. Sure he will fall because of his height but will go to a good team in need of his services. It's been almost a decade. The OAD is here to stay They will never go to two or more. Be happy we have witnessed the players we have. It will go back to the way it was before
It will go more. And for the record Ulis has stayed as long as Isaiah Thomas the original for the 80s
 
I think it's garbage to encourage a 2 year 5'9" player to bolt to the league. He is a second round pick. If players are anointing to second td pick I say let them go straight to DL. This stuff is ruining college basketball. People ask what can we do to get people watching college basketball? It's easy have quality basketball. Clean up this one and done or the ability to leave until after jr.

Just curious, what NBA team are you the GM of? Since you know for a fact he's a 2nd rounder.
 
Long story short. HE IS GONE WE NEED TO ACCEPT IT. BE HAPPY FOR HIM. who would have ever thought he be as Good as he is Now people trying to hold him back
 
I guess selfishly i wanted Ulis to stay all 4 cuz i thought he could lose the fewest games ever as UK point guard and get us right on top of UCLA
 
I guess selfishly i wanted Ulis to stay all 4 cuz i thought he could lose the fewest games ever as UK point guard and get us right on top of UCLA
We all would. And he probably would win a few. But as talented as he is he has limitations with his height. His skills and numbers are at an all time high. If your son was in smame situation what would You do Not saying he was at uk for selfish reasons
 
I disagree. I think Ulis could play his way toward a top 20 pick if he returned.
If he isn't this year...how? Stronger draft, better team where he won't have the same opportunity to put up big numbers consistently, and the things that are keeping him from being a sure thing in the first round aren't changing. He'll continue to get better, but you already know what he's going to be in the league. Why would you spend a more valuable first round pick on him next year when you weren't willing to this year?
 
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Go back and listen to it please...Cal seemed smug about telling people we weren't getting a 4 year player..i just didn't care for it....just my opinion
Maybe smug is the wrong word. Maybe he's just tired of listening to people like you that berate him about it each and every time he has to deal with people like you. His attitude is designed to shut you up, he just lacks the power. A man's got to know his limitations.
 
I'm not sure why so many get offended when people say Cal pushes players to the NBA. He absolutely does, so why do we try to deny it? He doesn't do it by saying "you have to leave." But he does it by creating a culture and and an expectation that you will get to the NBA faster at UK than any other place. That's the "Kentucky Effect," and it's great for some, but for others it creates a perception that if you stay more than one or two years you are a failure in some sense.

This is obviously a great thing because of the level of talent we get. As great as this program is, we've never seen this sustained run of talent, and that's 100 percent attributable to putting people in the pros. That, in turn, has brought a tremendous run of Final Fours and a championship.

The downside is we lose players to the pros that would probably have stayed in college at other programs. Guys like Lamb, Teague, Liggins, Goodwin, Young, Johnson, the Harrisons, even Booker (though it's hard to argue his decision in hindsight) are the type of players who stay in school at least another year at virtually every other program.

In the end, I think it's a trade off that most of us are more than willing to make. But I also understand the fans who look at upperclassmen like Buddy Hield, Kris Dunn, Denzel Valentine and Perry Ellis and wish we had really productive guys who stuck around like that.
 
Just curious, what NBA team are you the GM of? Since you know for a fact he's a 2nd rounder.
It's not about fast money. It's about preservation of the game. The NBA and college basketball are watered down. The NBDL is going to become a threat to college basketball. Who the hell is watching out for these unintended consequences? A team in the NBA is dominating that is average on the scale of NBA champs. Idk it seems time to change the rules. Keep the kids who want to be there from day 1 in there and send rest to NBA Europe etc
 
I'm not sure why so many get offended when people say Cal pushes players to the NBA. He absolutely does, so why do we try to deny it? He doesn't do it by saying "you have to leave."
Yeah, but some do act like Cal forces them to leave, and that he gives the player zero choice in the matter. I don't think that's the case. Regardless of Cal's opinion, the decision is ultimately left up to the young man and his family.

He may do something like that if the player is guaranteed the #1 pick, and rightfully so, but in the case of Ulis that's not what Cal is doing. If Ulis wanted to return for a third year, I seriously doubt Cal would deny him of that.

There's a big difference in giving a player sound advice, encouragement, and allowing them to decide for themselves between forcing them to leave without giving them any say so in the matter.
 
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