No just can't stand his bull _ _ _ _ and arrogance like the one right up I-64. Now if you want to be a naive butt kisser that can't think for themselfs then I guess your the one
Cal: ulis won't return next year
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Sorry but that is nothing but crock. I don't care if he goes this year, next year or two years from now. His financial success will not be dependent on when he decides to go. If he is successful in the NBA, he will be a millionaire. Will it matter if he plays 8 years and only makes 25 million vs playing 10 years and making maybe 27-28 million. Nice rationalization!!!!!
Two years in an 8 year career does not equate to losing 25% of his income either or even remotely close as the first two years he is in the league he would make substantially less than he would the other 6 years.
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i am guessing you are very ignorant on the subject of NBA contracts
let us use you arbitrary 8 -10 years
his last contract which would include years 9 and 10 would be worth about 50% of the 25 million you stated for 8 years
so those two years are not going to be 1-3 million, they will be 10 - 12 million (maybe more)
look, i understand that everyone is not as fortunate as you and having an extra 10-12 million means nothing in your life, but to most of us that money would come in handy
Cals right. You're being selfish wanting what's best for you and not what's best for Ulis. He won't leave unless he's guaranteed a spot in the NBA. You can't blame a kid for that, nor can you blame Cal for wanting that for his player.
I guess I don't see it the same way as you exactly. I, like you, are happy for Ulis and don't blame him a bit either for jumping at the opportunity when it's there. But, I don't think Cal is shoving anything in our faces really. I truly believe the man looks at his players like they are his own kids and wants nothing but the very best for them. If that means leaving before we all think they should in order to live their dreams and grab the opportunity for success that's what Cal wants them to do. I think maybe he gets a little frustrated with us as fans who act a bit greedy and want to hold those players back because we love having them here. But, his frustration reminds me of a father reacting to others holding his own kids back. Not sure that makes much sense but that's how I kind of see it.
What everyone should want is what's best for the UK program including Cal
Cal's main philosophy since he walked through that door was that if we take care of the players, they in turn will take care of the program.
It's done pretty well these past 7 years
And I certainly see that side as well. It just seems that he knows that a certain segment of the fanbase, heck maybe a very small segment I realize, is a bit fatigued of the whole NBA thing, or at the very least would rather not hear about it. So why bring it up now as we are all getting excited about our upcoming NCAA run?
Then again, maybe I'm just being sensitive or petty.
And what's best for the program long-term is not necessarily what's best for short-sighted yahoos in the fan base.
No, the argument is go get paid while you can, because you can only make money doing it for so long. Naturally, that means you want to get as much as you can in that limited time, thus you leave as early as possible. Tyler won't make nearly as much as Tim Duncan did, so those extra years matter a lot more. You're trading millions of dollars for sentimentality.
The program should come first .not Cals fame or the players ,,,( the one that write the checks ) then program then the players and coaches
Yes I am ,, all the all Americans that he has brought in and only one title
titles are so easy to win
as a matter of fact they are so easy UK has averaged winning one every 13 years or so
Tyler Ulis is not ready for the NBA.
He could come back and go down as the best PG in UK history.
He is a great college player to this point, but that doesnt mean he needs to jump into the draft after his second year of college just because we have Fox coming in!
If he is a sure fire lock for 1st round is the only way I can envision this happening...these
analysts can coaches can go on and on about how great he is (and he is) and how "he's a pro"
but his height will most certainly come into play when it comes down to drafting him.
thats just the way it is.
He could come back and go down as the best PG in UK history.
He is a great college player to this point, but that doesnt mean he needs to jump into the draft after his second year of college just because we have Fox coming in!
If he is a sure fire lock for 1st round is the only way I can envision this happening...these
analysts can coaches can go on and on about how great he is (and he is) and how "he's a pro"
but his height will most certainly come into play when it comes down to drafting him.
thats just the way it is.
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Ulis is more likely to be a first rounder than he is next year because the draft will be deeper, if you go in the first round you are going to make more the first three years, you are more likely to get a chance make it to a second contract, that contract is more likely to be larger, and by a guy with his dimunitive stature leaving earlier he is at least probably adding at least one season to his run meaning he might even see a third contract.
I figure 25% is a conservative estimate but even if your number is closer to correct that is still 10% of his earning potential and longevity that you blow off as nothing that I don't see you and yours sacrificing for my entertainment value.
Even the precious few guys his size that make it don't play forever, rolling out freaking Tim Duncan as a basis of comparison is well beyond reaching. You are rationalizing.
i strongly disagree
he is as ready as he is ever going to be
every UK fan would love for him to return, but the reality is that he is as ready as he is going to be, and it is a very weak draft
sometimes as fans we need to lay our selfish nature down and look at what is best for him, his mother and the rest of his family
And how many times has Cal had the best team in the country and I mean the best by a large margin ? 4 or 5 times ,,,, one title
He isn't going to grow 3-5 inches and if he had those inches but everything else was the same he'd be so ready that he'd be a lock for a top 5 pick.
I grant he could increase his consistency from three and probably put on a little more muscle but neither is keeping him from being ready nor is either going to substantially change his draft position more than taking advantage of how this draft looks to stack up.
once 2012, actually preseason UNC was ranked higher
i am guessing you like the Pitino method better
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his height is why he is as ready as he is going to be
he has the skills of an allstar NBA player
he just lacks the height
if he were 6' 1" he would have been gone last year
Oh. And 22 NCAA Tournament wins in 6 years is somehow not putting the program first.
Go away, go root for a different school. You're an absolute embarrassment to the UK fan base, if you actually are a fan.
And how often does that best team actually go on to win a title in a one and done tournament? Not as often as you'd think.
Furthermore Cal has not had the best team in the country by a large margin. Even last year, you could make the argument that Duke and Wisconsin were just as good as we were. In 2010, that was not the best team by far either.
And what about the times we didn't have the best teams at all yet Cal's team overachieved and made the final four in both 11 and 14.
But you're making it out to be title or no title and no title = disappointing year.
351 NCAA teams.........350 won't win a national title. If all you care about is titles, you're gonna be disappointed more often than not and also with whoever is the coach at UK
It's no use.
You have a very small sub section of the fanbase that just sees titles/no titles.
To each it's own I guess.
usually what is best for the players, works out to be best for the program LONG term...
For the ones that don't like the way we do things now with players leaving ASAP, I'm not gonna bash you like some of the snobby posters we have. These guys will go with whatever direction the wind is blowing.
Having said that this is part of Cals recruiting success. Try not letting it get to you and I know it can suck, but remember the success, and look at all those UK guys we have put in the league making UK the most relevant school on earth.
One thing cal has done for us (besides saving the program from Barnhart) is take the one category UNC had over us and obliterated it. We are the "place of the pros" now, and don't let UNC fool you, they used that in recruiting for 3-4 decades over us.
Cal won't be here forever. His methods won't either. Try to enjoy what it is while it's here.
Having said that this is part of Cals recruiting success. Try not letting it get to you and I know it can suck, but remember the success, and look at all those UK guys we have put in the league making UK the most relevant school on earth.
One thing cal has done for us (besides saving the program from Barnhart) is take the one category UNC had over us and obliterated it. We are the "place of the pros" now, and don't let UNC fool you, they used that in recruiting for 3-4 decades over us.
Cal won't be here forever. His methods won't either. Try to enjoy what it is while it's here.
They're easier to win if you have the best players, which we have for much of these 7 years.
Do you really think that? I really think the only years you can make an argument that we were the best team would be 2010, 2012 and 2015. I'm not sure you could say we were anywhere near the best team in any of the other years.
We won in 2012. So 1 in 3.
Most years when tournament odds come up even the favorite team only gets odds like 25-35%. So 1 in 3 seems reasonable.
I actually believe Cal has overachieved in the tournament. Maybe 10, as a 1 seed we should have gone further but the other years, I believe we met or exceeded expectations, even last year I'd say met. I don't believe there was a vast difference between Wisconsin and UK to be honest.
If I may. Most of you are fussing over if Ulis is ready or not. That is not what this should be about at all. It is about the love of the game. If you find a job that you love the you never work a day in your life. Tyler Ulis has adapted and over came all of the short comings that people with no vision kept telling him most of his life that he would not and could not make all his dreams come true. This my friends is a true Cinderella story coming true before your very eyes. Open your eyes wide and watch it unfold..
so would you rather have the Pitino model where you don't have the best players and only have a legit shot at winning it every 4-6 years?
Myself ,, I think he is ready !! I hate to see him go but I'm proud of how he has handled this year
Plus when has it ever been about Player X being ready?
Skal most likely someone is gonna draft him? Does anyone think he's ready? He can't even excel in college basketball.
People get drafted based on potential.
But as far as being ready Avery Johnson who I believe knows a little something about the NBA said that not only is Ulis ready but he's probably better than some already in the NBA
Skal most likely someone is gonna draft him? Does anyone think he's ready? He can't even excel in college basketball.
People get drafted based on potential.
But as far as being ready Avery Johnson who I believe knows a little something about the NBA said that not only is Ulis ready but he's probably better than some already in the NBA
To me Ulis biggest weakness is obviously his size. But that's not something he can really improve upon. He is what it is. Another year of college isn't gonna change that.
I think he is ready. And I would bet the house not only does he go to the NBA, but he does well there.
I think he is ready. And I would bet the house not only does he go to the NBA, but he does well there.
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