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Cal bragging about his NBA all star records

He is smart to keep bringing it up because all the recruits speak of how we get players to the NBA so it would be stupid to not bring it up as a selling point...
Selling point for what? Get to the NBA/ Pros without playing defense, winning SECT/ regular season titles, or FF’s and Championships?

That’s important to you, ole great UK basketball fan? 🤣 You woke jokes are hilarious and embarrassing at the same time!💯
 
The criticism of Calipari is that he's incompetent.

He isn't. He's doing something else. Would you be angry at Nick Saban for running a crap basketball program?

Calipari isn't running the same kind of program as Kansas and UConn and 99.9% of other programs. Fans were fine with that until the results were other than what they wanted. I assume they didn't know what a Players First program entailed. Or maybe they thought that Players First was just a slogan. A sales pitch. Now they know it is neither. Players First puts the players well being and development for playing professionally as the #1 priority. People don't want that. Fine. But it's silly to say that Calipari is incompetent. He's just doing something that (some) people don't want.
Kentucky is always here. Those players are a a revolving door. In and out in a handful of months. Does he have the same pride in his failures? The ones he let down? There have been more of them. They all have parents.
 
Well if that is truly the case, WHY do so many of these guys continue choose to play for him ? Also, SEVERAL of the guys actually credit Cal for coaching them hard, being a role model for them. They have actually stated Cal got them where they are. Maxey being the recent one. I get it that it's popular to hate on Cal (some fairly deserved), but do not alter the facts to fit your agenda. Players talk, if Cal wasn't helping these guys get better, prepare for the NBA, the kids would not keep signing up to play for him. I agree that he is too wrapped up in the NBA success, but he does get credit for SOME of what those guys have accomplished, even THEY say it.
Yeah, he got them to where they are, but he didn't do it in a way that was conducive to the team winning. He's always worried about his draft picks, and EVERY DODGAMNED SEASON other guys don't get developed.
 
Hes definitely moved the goal line and reset what success looks like. Convenient and self-serving. And light years away from that introductory press conference. When you don’t have the results and you’ve lost the ability to compete at a high level and UK standard, then you redirect attention and redefine success to disguise your limitations and failures. Much easier than being honest with yourself and your fan base.
 
Jeez - king of the straw man argument! No one is NOT celebrating what these kids "did for us" (and what we did for them). Does not have to be either or. We ARE NOT currently celebrating UK BASKETBALL because... there is not those same list of achievements and thus little to nothing to celebrate.

Lazy Cal resting on "HIS" NBA success and disregarding his actual lack of success with UK of recent years. Clearly 1. the criticism is under his skin so keep it up. 2. He values NBA success far more than UK success (or failure) 3. UK winning is NOT a priority unless it props up his resume and NBA legacy.

Washed up - Sorry for the intern/stat guy that had to write that out for him because clearly it was not off the top of his head.
 
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Cal is not who he was 6-8 years ago.
OADs are not what they were 6-8 years ago.
NIL and open transfers did not exist 6-8 years ago.
The age of CBB players going up an avg of 1.3 years or so did not exist 6-8 years ago before covid
Taking 5 freshman (esp raw ones) in the fall and telling guys like Knecht, Keshod Johnson, and David Jones in the spring that they likely won't start if they come is not going to work. What a guy is 3-4 years into the league should not be the focus of a cbb coach making 9-10m per year.

He needs to flip the ratio....at least two transfers per year (I would focus on wings and stretch 4s), a couple of high end recruits with great fundamentals, and 1-2 development guys.
 
How dare fans expect him to more than ONE TITLE in FOURTEEN YEARS. How dare the fans expect Cow to put team before the draft picks, or win the sec conference on occasion. The nerve of some fans.

Expect whatever you like. But also realize why Cal continues to talk about former UK players in the NBA. It keeps the recruiting pipeline open. UNCheat dominated recruiting for 20+ years because all the HS players idolized Michael Jordan, so they wanted to follow in his footsteps. Now they idolize Davis and Booker and SGA.
 
The criticism of Calipari is that he's incompetent.

He isn't. He's doing something else. Would you be angry at Nick Saban for running a crap basketball program?

Calipari isn't running the same kind of program as Kansas and UConn and 99.9% of other programs. Fans were fine with that until the results were other than what they wanted. I assume they didn't know what a Players First program entailed. Or maybe they thought that Players First was just a slogan. A sales pitch. Now they know it is neither. Players First puts the players well being and development for playing professionally as the #1 priority. People don't want that. Fine. But it's silly to say that Calipari is incompetent. He's just doing something that (some) people don't want.
You can't lump all of the criticism into that category, though.

My overwhelming criticism with him is that he isn't prioritizing the UK college basketball program to win college basketball. I'm not saying he's incompetent as a person in general. I'm saying he isn't doing his job.
 
You can't lump all of the criticism into that category, though.

My overwhelming criticism with him is that he isn't prioritizing the UK college basketball program to win college basketball. I'm not saying he's incompetent as a person in general. I'm saying he isn't doing his job.
Well, he signed on with the understanding that he was going to run a Players Fist program. He'd written a book about it. He screamed it during his first Midnight Madness. In case people weren't aware. He got his famous extension after Barnhart had time to absorb the implications. So, actually, he is exactly doing his job. A Players First program.

As I've said a few times before, his haters should just say they don't want a Players First program. That's fine. The hate is weird, though. Well, actually the hate is more than weird. It's bad.
 
Well, he signed on with the understanding that he was going to run a Players Fist program. He'd written a book about it. He screamed it during his first Midnight Madness. In case people weren't aware. He got his famous extension after Barnhart had time to absorb the implications. So, actually, he is exactly doing his job. A Players First program.

As I've said a few times before, his haters should just say they don't want a Players First program. That's fine. The hate is weird, though. Well, actually the hate is more than weird. It's bad.
What's weird is assuming people are "haters" if they aren't happy with something. And it's laughable that people should be happy having the coach of a college basketball program whose primary goal isn't college basketball success.

And I don't think that whole "players first" thing was what he was saying initially when hired. He might have had some shades of that, but it didn't really become his main focus until a few years in.
 
What's weird is assuming people are "haters" if they aren't happy with something. And it's laughable that people should be happy having the coach of a college basketball program whose primary goal isn't college basketball success.

And I don't think that whole "players first" thing was what he was saying initially when hired. He might have had some shades of that, but it didn't really become his main focus until a few years in.
Can't assume people are "hating"? You wouldn't kid a kid, would ya, kid?

As for the timing of Players First, he'd written a book and he screamed about it during the first Midnight Madness. As long as there was notorious success, people just ignored it.
 
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He definitely is reading social media or someone is telling him what’s posted. He doesn’t mention the last 4 years. Takes a jab at fans for mentioning it’s been 9 years. The ultimate narcissist underachiever!

I could care less about the NBA and no offense really don't care a whole lot when it is a one and done that I only saw one year at UK. I think Cal should have jumped to the NBA but I am not sure any GM wanted him as their coach, his time with the Nets kind of sucked.
 
He definitely is reading social media or someone is telling him what’s posted. He doesn’t mention the last 4 years. Takes a jab at fans for mentioning it’s been 9 years. The ultimate narcissist underachiever!

But he doesn't listen to the noise, yea right!? He's so full of bullSugarHoneyIce Tea it's not funny. HE is the one that coined the we don't play college bb, WE ARE CBB, we are going to catch ucla, we are the GOLD STANDARD retetortic! He let his mouth write a check his coaching ability couldn't cash. Remember CCC, earned not promised. He is a pathetic narcissist.
 
What is more disgusting, frankly, Isn’t the advocacy for his former players but the disingenuousness of his comments If he really wanted to give credit and praise he’d include the many non-NBA players who have contributed. The Millers and Liggins and Hawkins and Teagues and so on. It’s no longer a UK culture but a UK NBA culture that he’s prioritizing. Of course UK fans are appreciative of the all stars and NBA guys. But the success has been achieved with the help of a number of guys who barely sniffed the NBA or never did.
 
Calipari is obviously doing something. All college coaches draw from the same well. His methods help players more than theirs. The kinds of things he stresses: initiative and change from within. Those don't show up as stats of any kind. And may only bear fruit after years of effort. Almost like the best kind of college professor.

It's better for Calipari's critics to say simply that they want a traditional program. One that produces immediate gratification. Wins. Tournament success. Etc. It's idiotic to insist Calipari is not doing anything right when he obviously is doing the kinds of things he explicitly has said he wants to do.
The ole Bobby Knight defense. Making future leaders. What a crock is BS. There are PLENTY of coaches that instill leadership, maturity, and life skills into players. Some of those coaches even win meaningful basketball games. Anyone that's ever been around actual strong leaders can spot them. I don't know Cal personally, but how whiny, deflecting, dissmissve, arrogant etc as he comes off makes be believe he is far from an actual leader. Cal is phoney leadership. Never takes any accountability. All talk. As they say, he's all hat and no cattle.
 
Just to update…… we’ve won one title in the past 25 years
That's not Rick's fault lol. Had he stayed you can take it to the bank that he would have had more titles. Billy was too busy stuffing players into stalls and hiding whiskey flasks in his jacket. Tubby was too busy looking for ways to "play tuffer". 15 out of the past 25 years Cow has been here.
 
Expect whatever you like. But also realize why Cal continues to talk about former UK players in the NBA. It keeps the recruiting pipeline open. UNCheat dominated recruiting for 20+ years because all the HS players idolized Michael Jordan, so they wanted to follow in his footsteps. Now they idolize Davis and Booker and SGA.
Keeps the pipeline open? Why isn't the NBA paying him to be their trainer?

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I mean Cal should take some time from slobbering over his NBA all stars and build monuments for Doron Lamb. Darius Miller, Aaron Harrison or else he has no final fours or titles. They were just as instrumental.
Darius Miller is the most under-appreciated player in modern UK history. Stayed thru BCG, was Cal's whipping boy for two years, was a huge key to the turnaround in 2011, and was content being 6th man on the title team when he deserved to start.
 
Cal is not who he was 6-8 years ago.
OADs are not what they were 6-8 years ago.
NIL and open transfers did not exist 6-8 years ago.
The age of CBB players going up an avg of 1.3 years or so did not exist 6-8 years ago before covid
Taking 5 freshman (esp raw ones) in the fall and telling guys like Knecht, Keshod Johnson, and David Jones in the spring that they likely won't start if they come is not going to work. What a guy is 3-4 years into the league should not be the focus of a cbb coach making 9-10m per year.

He needs to flip the ratio....at least two transfers per year (I would focus on wings and stretch 4s), a couple of high end recruits with great fundamentals, and 1-2 development guys.
Recruit elite 5 star guards. Go get the best grown man 4-5s from the portal. No more stickmen getting blown over by the wind unless they are a generational talent HS big man
 
And this Cal rant is the exact stuff that has driven a wedge in this fanbase and why we need to move on asap to a college first coach that prioritizes and ties his identity to winning.

He has a high school girl petty beef w the very people who travel all over the country and have supported this university for decades.

If he’d stfu w his down talking and just win; then everyone would sing his praises the same way they did from 2010-2018

It’s just divisive for no reason. He’s creating internal turmoil and resentment that wouldn’t exist otherwise. You’d be naive to think he doesn’t “use it as motivation to the players” as well and that it hasn’t directly contributed to some of these 18-21 year olds over the last 4 years that have struggled. The early teams appreciated the chaotic passion. Many on the teams have acted like they and the team are victims and it leads to discontent as a whole.

It starts with Command Climate. If I as a leader constantly run down the organization I work for to my subordinates, then my subordinates will be more likely to do just enough to get through it and be discontent. Good command climates and good attitude directly correlates to higher production.
 
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The ole Bobby Knight defense. Making future leaders. What a crock is BS. There are PLENTY of coaches that instill leadership, maturity, and life skills into players. Some of those coaches even win meaningful basketball games. Anyone that's ever been around actual strong leaders can spot them. I don't know Cal personally, but how whiny, deflecting, dissmissve, arrogant etc as he comes off makes be believe he is far from an actual leader. Cal is phoney leadership. Never takes any accountability. All talk. As they say, he's all hat and no cattle.
No. Players First was the understanding of what Calipari intended to do. There very well may be excellent examples of coaches trying to make their players decent men. Calipari narrowed that: he was training players to make a living at playing basketball. That and their physical-well being were the focus of the program.

As it so happens, Calipari is demonstrably better at training his players to play professionally.

Some fans may want a traditional program. I have no beef with them. My disagreement is with the people trying to Astroturf some kind of movement to dislodge Calipari based on the notion that he has been incompetent.
 
He definitely is reading social media or someone is telling him what’s posted. He doesn’t mention the last 4 years. Takes a jab at fans for mentioning it’s been 9 years. The ultimate narcissist underachiever!

Cal trumpeting the 2020 team and saying "THEY COULD HAVE WON A NATIONAL TITLE" but he STILL, to THIS DAY, will not explain why he sat Hagans against FL in the final game of the season.
 
Some fans may want a traditional program. I have no beef with them. My disagreement is with the people trying to Astroturf some kind of movement to dislodge Calipari based on the notion that he has been incompetent.
His performance - you know in college basketball which is his job after all - hasn't been incompetent. But it's arguably not been up to UK's standards - or his salary - for awhile now.

But again, the biggest issue is that his top goal doesn't align with what the top goal of a college basketball program should be and that's why the results have lagged.

It's like hiring someone to deliver your mail, but instead he decides to collect your trash cans instead and just ignores the mail. While it's a nice service, how long are you going to keep him when he's not really doing his job and has no intention of doing it...especially when he's supposed to be one of the best and highest paid at it?
 
It's the only thing he has to recruit on so he should do it. He surely can't recruit on results at UK.
 
His performance - you know in college basketball which is his job after all - hasn't been incompetent. But it's arguably not been up to UK's standards - or his salary - for awhile now.

But again, the biggest issue is that his top goal doesn't align with what the top goal of a college basketball program should be and that's why the results have lagged.

It's like hiring someone to deliver your mail, but instead he decides to collect your trash cans instead and just ignores the mail. While it's a nice service, how long are you going to keep him when he's not really doing his job and has no intention of doing it...especially when he's supposed to be one of the best and highest paid at it?
You (and others) keep ignoring that he and Barnhart (Calipari's boss) agreed that his job is teaching young men at UK how to play professional basketball. You can insist it's something else.
As Mose said to Addy in Paper Moon, "But ___ that ___ don't ____ make __ it___ true."
 
Wow. JUST WOOOOOOW. You REALLY believe Cal singlehandedly took these players like urchins off the street and taught them how to play basketball and landed them in the NBA all by himself? LOL what a SMALL mind.

Not sure how you made that assumption about what I might think. You should have read what I wrote. He’s obviously proud of the success of his former players. I never once mentioned any of the things you wrote.
 
Cal trumpeting the 2020 team and saying "THEY COULD HAVE WON A NATIONAL TITLE" but he STILL, to THIS DAY, will not explain why he sat Hagans against FL in the final game of the season.
He couldn’t win it with the 2010 and 2015 teams. No way he was winning it with 2020. That’s before the Hagan’s meltdown. We let TN come back from 14 down after Hagan’s refusal to go back in the game, then beat a lowly Fla team on the road.
That team would’ve flamed out the first weekend of the NCAAT.
 
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