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Bad C-rod news ...potentially

I'm sorry Hack but a RB is no longer a difference maker in college football. CRod is a good back. But it was WR and WL making teams nervous against UK. WL is much more important for UK's success than CROD IS.
RBs are difference makers in college. There is no debating this. Grump is putting an opposing fan spin on this. This is good news for UGA (the favorite to win the East) and all of the other teams on UK’s schedule. And, not good for Levis, if true. Will is a huge beneficiary of CRod’s ability to move piles and the sticks.

As to those already pissed off without knowing any facts, I salute you as true fanatics. I appear to not be that, as I want to know what is going on before I react.
 
This has to have predated NIL, as “the market” establishes NIL value, and the NCAA is unlikely to ever find a way around the SCOTUS opinion.

Sounds like someone got real sloppy or talkative about some things that might have occurred in years, prior.
Yeah, summer jobs post NIL have not yet begun.
 
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RBs are difference makers in college. There is no debating this. Grump is putting an opposing fan spin on this. This is good news for UGA (the favorite to win the East) and all of the other teams on UK’s schedule. And, not good for Levis, if true. Will is a huge beneficiary of CRod’s ability to move piles and the sticks.

As to those already pissed off without knowing any facts, I salute you as true fanatics. I appear to not be that, as I want to know what is going on before I react.

When was the last time RB were responsible for a team winning a NC? Henry with Bama is the last time I remember. That was a long time ago. Clemson in their 2 wins had outstanding QBs, Bama had them in their 3, LSU had 1 when they won theirs. 10 years ago yeah, RB won championships, today, not so much. I hate the kid has somehow gotten himself in a position to may have to sit out the year. Why would I be glad no Crod, we have been fairly successful defensively against the run.
 
If somebody says anything about having sources, they’re already discredited in my book.

1. because they’re most likely full of shit
2. If they really do have one then they’re helping a rat who’s leaking info about the team.

either way, screw off with the sources
If crod has been charged with something it’ll be public record. Unless the DA or commonwealths attorney (if felony) summons a grand jury I won’t believe anything
No idea if meant for me but I never once claimed to have a single source. I merely stated I know people in the legal system who have heard rumors of what is going on. Knowing a lawyer is not the same as claiming to have sources. Also why I am not divulging exactly what I was told as I have no idea if it is true or not. Another poster eluded to JR divulging that it wasn’t good, what I heard wasn’t good and would be a federal issue which would certainly end his college career. Uk did cut ties with javon baker whom it was shared with me was also involved. I don’t know that baker was involved but UK did cut ties with him for certain.
 
When was the last time RB were responsible for a team winning a NC? Henry with Bama is the last time I remember. That was a long time ago. Clemson in their 2 wins had outstanding QBs, Bama had them in their 3, LSU had 1 when they won theirs. 10 years ago yeah, RB won championships, today, not so much. I hate the kid has somehow gotten himself in a position to may have to sit out the year. Why would I be glad no Crod, we have been fairly successful defensively against the run.
I think you're seeing things from a UGA perspective....UK ain't playing at that level. Schools like you have better WR, TE, QBs, etc...you have a more complete squad. And playing in the playoffs, etc...you have to have well rounded teams and in particular really good passing offenses.

I agree Levis can take us to a level that CRod can't do so. It sounds like we'll get a shot at watching what Levis can do w/o CRod. But our next 2 backs are way smaller/shiftier but can they keep UK at 2nd and 6....which I'd argue helps Levis a ton....we'll see how it pans out
 
I think you're seeing things from a UGA perspective....UK ain't playing at that level. Schools like you have better WR, TE, QBs, etc...you have a more complete squad. And playing in the playoffs, etc...you have to have well rounded teams and in particular really good passing offenses.

I agree Levis can take us to a level that CRod can't do so. It sounds like we'll get a shot at watching what Levis can do w/o CRod. But our next 2 backs are way smaller/shiftier but can they keep UK at 2nd and 6....which I'd argue helps Levis a ton....we'll see how it pans out

This. Uga always has a stable of NFL ready backs. UK does not. Losing what was sure to be the school's all time leading rusher is going to have a major impact. If nothing else, he always kept us ahead of the sticks. Super important for play action
 
If, in fact, Baker was also involved in whatever is creating an eligibility question for Chris, that would be one of the few clues as to what this could be about.

What could an "almost" xfer into the program and long-time UK player like CRod have gotten into together?
 
UK with an NFL OC and a top NFL prospect at QB won't miss a beat even without a top, maybe top SEC back.
I’ve never disagreed with you more . . . . . nor hoped as much that you are right.

Give our Citrus Bowl tape a spin: of those anemic 20 points we scored, two TD’s were by Crod, and one was by receiving.

However his situation works out, at least we have all Summer and Fall to adjust.
 
I’ve never disagreed with you more . . . . . nor hoped as much that you are right.

Give our Citrus Bowl tape a spin: of those anemic 20 points we scored, two TD’s were by Crod, and one was by receiving.

However his situation works out, at least we have all Summer and Fall to adjust.
We would definitely be a better team with CRod.

I don't see much difference in needing someone to step up in his spot vs. the other holes they have to fill this year. LT/RT are big question marks, secondary very inexperienced, DLine, about the same as the OT spots. I know I'm preaching to the choir but whether it be a dumb decision or injury, they built depth for times like this. I think we will be pleasantly surprised with the RB spot if CRod is ineligible, a couple of the other spots, fingers definitely crossed.
 
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Lol people claiming to “have sources”, but can’t reveal any hints about the situation.

a tale as old as time
Point to any of my posts that says I have sources. I’ll save you the trouble, I never claimed to have a source. I do know lawyers who have heard “rumors” about what the issue is and what was shared with me. Since they are “rumors” and not substantiated I’m not going to divulge what I heard. I did give you a hint, if true, it’s a federal issue. If you can’t respect someone for not divulging an unsubstantiated rumor that’s your problem not mine.

after hearing what I heard last night, I came to scan this thread to see if anything remotely close to what I heard was being tossed around. It wasn’t, only one poster eluding to JR saying it was bad and he would not be eligible. If what I heard is true then it is bad and he would not be eligible which is all I have stated. No more, no less…..
 
We would definitely be a better team with CRod.

I don't see much difference in needing someone to step up in his spot vs. the other holes they have to fill this year. LT/RT are big question marks, secondary very inexperienced, DLine, about the same as the OT spots. I know I'm preaching to the choir but whether it be a dumb decision or injury, they built depth for times like this. I think we will be pleasantly surprised with the RB spot if CRod is ineligible, a couple of the other spots, fingers definitely crossed.
I’d say you’ll see us throw to the backs more in 2nd and 6, 3rd and 4 situations. I’d imagine without CRod, the summer will be spent working on the outside zone which is a good fit for Smoke and even better for McClain and we’ll see more of Wright in the power game and change of pace. Someone mentioned the tackle situation which is a concern but I don’t think nearly as much as it would be if we were strictly an inside running team.

Lots of questions to be answered but we’re definitely not void of talent, actually the opposite though we’re young in some areas. The ace in the hole is Levis and his ability to move the sticks through the air.
 
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Point to any of my posts that says I have sources. I’ll save you the trouble, I never claimed to have a source. I do know lawyers who have heard “rumors” about what the issue is and what was shared with me. Since they are “rumors” and not substantiated I’m not going to divulge what I heard. I did give you a hint, if true, it’s a federal issue. If you can’t respect someone for not divulging an unsubstantiated rumor that’s your problem not mine.

after hearing what I heard last night, I came to scan this thread to see if anything remotely close to what I heard was being tossed around. It wasn’t, only one poster eluding to JR saying it was bad and he would not be eligible. If what I heard is true then it is bad and he would not be eligible which is all I have stated. No more, no less
I appreciate your info and how you’re handling it. Understandably lots of speculation going on but everyone seems to be in agreement that we’ll probably be without CRod so all we can do is to scheme around him with what we have. The thing that bothers me most about the situation is how these kids seem to feel invincible and untouchable anymore, not just athletes but in general. Just hate to see him or anyone throw a career away if it comes to that.
 
When was the last time RB were responsible for a team winning a NC? Henry with Bama is the last time I remember. That was a long time ago. Clemson in their 2 wins had outstanding QBs, Bama had them in their 3, LSU had 1 when they won theirs. 10 years ago yeah, RB won championships, today, not so much. I hate the kid has somehow gotten himself in a position to may have to sit out the year. Why would I be glad no Crod, we have been fairly successful defensively against the run.
At our level any skill player who puts up CROD numbers is vitally important. A RB like him may not win us a title, but it does get us to 10 win seasons. That's a REALLY big deal.
 
Point to any of my posts that says I have sources. I’ll save you the trouble, I never claimed to have a source. I do know lawyers who have heard “rumors” about what the issue is and what was shared with me. Since they are “rumors” and not substantiated I’m not going to divulge what I heard. I did give you a hint, if true, it’s a federal issue. If you can’t respect someone for not divulging an unsubstantiated rumor that’s your problem not mine.

after hearing what I heard last night, I came to scan this thread to see if anything remotely close to what I heard was being tossed around. It wasn’t, only one poster eluding to JR saying it was bad and he would not be eligible. If what I heard is true then it is bad and he would not be eligible which is all I have stated. No more, no less…..
It's not you man, its this vague speculation with a likely horrible ending about a player who is vitally important to us. It's driving us nuts. No one wants you to divulge too much, we just REALLY want to know what's going on so we can wrap our heads around it.
 
I’d say you’ll see us throw to the backs more in 2nd and 6, 3rd and 4 situations. I’d imagine without CRod, the summer will be spent working on the outside zone which is a good fit for Smoke and even better for McClain and we’ll see more of Wright in the power game and change of pace. Someone mentioned the tackle situation which is a concern but I don’t think nearly as much as it would be if we were strictly an inside running team.

Lots of questions to be answered but we’re definitely not void of talent, actually the opposite though we’re young in some areas. The ace in the hole is Levis and his ability to move the sticks through the air.
Hope you are right about the Tackle spots. Being inexpierenced at both Tackles is a concern for me. Don't need Levis getting slaughtered early in the year.
 
When was the last time RB were responsible for a team winning a NC? Henry with Bama is the last time I remember. That was a long time ago. Clemson in their 2 wins had outstanding QBs, Bama had them in their 3, LSU had 1 when they won theirs. 10 years ago yeah, RB won championships, today, not so much. I hate the kid has somehow gotten himself in a position to may have to sit out the year. Why would I be glad no Crod, we have been fairly successful defensively against the run.
It's funny a man that's a fan of a team who's offenses have been wholly carried by RB's for the entire tenure of his current head coach says RBs don't matter.

Do you watch Georgia play football?
Are you aware you're starting a 5'9" midget walk on at QB?

Why does Kirby waste his time recruiting the best of the best running back talent in the country and always make sure to have 3+ running backs that could start anywhere on the roster, seems like energy that could be better spent elsewhere if running backs didn't make a difference.
 
It's funny a man that's a fan of a team who's offenses have been wholly carried by RB's for the entire tenure of his current head coach says RBs don't matter.

Do you watch Georgia play football?
Are you aware you're starting a 5'9" midget walk on at QB?

Why does Kirby waste his time recruiting the best of the best running back talent in the country and always make sure to have 3+ running backs that could start anywhere on the roster, seems like energy that could be better spent elsewhere if running backs didn't make a difference.
@Grumpyolddawg is a highly respected poster here and I'm glad he's active on our board. I usually agree with him but he's off base on this one.
 
Point to any of my posts that says I have sources. I’ll save you the trouble, I never claimed to have a source. I do know lawyers who have heard “rumors” about what the issue is and what was shared with me. Since they are “rumors” and not substantiated I’m not going to divulge what I heard. I did give you a hint, if true, it’s a federal issue. If you can’t respect someone for not divulging an unsubstantiated rumor that’s your problem not mine.

after hearing what I heard last night, I came to scan this thread to see if anything remotely close to what I heard was being tossed around. It wasn’t, only one poster eluding to JR saying it was bad and he would not be eligible. If what I heard is true then it is bad and he would not be eligible which is all I have stated. No more, no less…..
Can you at least say if the rumor you heard is around an incident that would have a victim or an incident that’s like financial or drug offense? I know you’re not saying it’s gospel
 
Can you at least say if the rumor you heard is around an incident that would have a victim or an incident that’s like financial or drug offense? I know you’re not saying it’s gospel
Neither of those. If what I heard has any truth to it, it is just being caught up in something he had no business being in.
 
Neither of those. If what I heard has any truth to it, it is just being caught up in something he had no business being in.
Ok well glad to hear the rumor isn’t about actions that were intended to hurt someone. Will be interested when more details emerge. Thanks.
 
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Point to any of my posts that says I have sources. I’ll save you the trouble, I never claimed to have a source. I do know lawyers who have heard “rumors” about what the issue is and what was shared with me. Since they are “rumors” and not substantiated I’m not going to divulge what I heard. I did give you a hint, if true, it’s a federal issue. If you can’t respect someone for not divulging an unsubstantiated rumor that’s your problem not mine.

after hearing what I heard last night, I came to scan this thread to see if anything remotely close to what I heard was being tossed around. It wasn’t, only one poster eluding to JR saying it was bad and he would not be eligible. If what I heard is true then it is bad and he would not be eligible which is all I have stated. No more, no less…..
Any posts that says you heard something from someone that you are relaying as informationwould suffice as to you claiming to have a source. By definition, they are the person you got the information relayed from, which makes them your SOURCE of that information. Their occupation isn't relevant.
 
Any posts that says you heard something from someone that you are relaying as informationwould suffice as to you claiming to have a source. By definition, they are the person you got the information relayed from, which makes them your SOURCE of that information. Their occupation isn't relevant.
BS. Everyone on this board knows people so from that standpoint the whole global population are sources. A source is someone who you know has direct knowledge of a situation or people close enough to things to know the real story. I have never claimed to know the real story, rather shared I was told what someone had heard (a rumor). No idea if any truth to the rumor at all. Having a source with reliable information is far different than what I have shared here. Maybe we can just agree to disagree what a source is. It’s not relevant either way. Hoping no truth to it and CRod is good to go next year.
 
BS. Everyone on this board knows people so from that standpoint the whole global population are sources. A source is someone who you know has direct knowledge of a situation or people close enough to things to know the real story. I have never claimed to know the real story, rather shared I was told what someone had heard (a rumor). No idea if any truth to the rumor at all. Having a source with reliable information is far different than what I have shared here. Maybe we can just agree to disagree what a source is. It’s not relevant either way. Hoping no truth to it and CRod is good to go next year.
Not at all. A source is literally a source of information. In your case, the lawyer is your source of the information you're relaying.

 
I usually agree with him but he's off base on this one.
Yes.

I see Grumpy’s point to this extent: who on Kentucky’s team, if he maxed out his freakish ability, could lead to beating Georgia and winning the East?

Sure, that is Will Levis.

I actually started a thread as to “whether this could be the year” where everything fell UK’s way for a playoff run. Most of the focus of my answer was on Levis creating the magic, and either equaling or exceeding his lofty pre-season draft speculation.

But along with my hope of a freak season from Levis is my memory of UK’s last touchdown against Iowa: Crod breaking the tackle of Vonfaulkenburg at the ten yard line like he was running through a ten year old’s tackle attempt.

Crod rivals Snell and a handful of others from my 50 years of watching U.K. football for breaking tackles: he’s special.

Half of the SEC has gone 8 seasons or more without a ten win season . . . and we have had two the last 4 years. As another poster alluded to, our chances for a repeat of a ten win season take a hit without Crod. And another ten win season is likely the rosiest scenario we can hope for.
 
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I'm sorry Hack but a RB is no longer a difference maker in college football. CRod is a good back. But it was WR and WL making teams nervous against UK. WL is much more important for UK's success than CROD IS.
I don't disagree with you often, but I have to disagree here. Just watched our bowl game and spring game and he is a difference maker. MVP of the bowl game (although I thought Wandale deserved it) and looked great again in the spring game, receiving too. Of course Levis will have a much bigger part to play, QBs usually do. We would definitely miss him if he can't play, and I am not surprised at anything the clowns running our athletic department do.
 
I'm sorry Hack but a RB is no longer a difference maker in college football. CRod is a good back. But it was WR and WL making teams nervous against UK. WL is much more important for UK's success than CROD IS.
CRod isn't like most backs. He doesn't get a high average per carry because he breaks long runs and then takes a loss on the next carry. The reason he is so valuable is that he basically never loses yards. What makes him valuable is the high number of 2nd and short that UK gets because of him.
 
When was the last time RB were responsible for a team winning a NC? Henry with Bama is the last time I remember. That was a long time ago. Clemson in their 2 wins had outstanding QBs, Bama had them in their 3, LSU had 1 when they won theirs. 10 years ago yeah, RB won championships, today, not so much. I hate the kid has somehow gotten himself in a position to may have to sit out the year. Why would I be glad no Crod, we have been fairly successful defensively against the run.
When is the last time a balanced attack won a NC? Having both is a big advantage.
 
Yes.

I see Grumpy’s point to this extent: who on Kentucky’s team, if he maxed out his freakish ability, could lead to beating Georgia and winning the East?

Sure, that is Will Levis.

I actually started a thread as to “whether this could be the year” where everything fell UK’s way for a playoff run. Most of the focus of my answer was on Levis creating the magic, and either equaling or exceeding his lofty pre-season draft speculation.

But along with my hope of a freak season from Levis is my memory of UK’s last touchdown against Iowa: Crod breaking the tackle of Vonfaulkenburg at the ten yard line like he was running through a ten year old’s tackle attempt.

Crod rivals Snell and a handful of others from my 50 years of watching U.K. football for breaking tackles: he’s special.

Half of the SEC has gone 8 seasons or more without a ten win season . . . and we have had two the last 4 years. As another poster alluded to, our chances for a repeat of a ten win season take a hit without Crod. And another ten win season is likely the rosiest scenario we can hope for.
He also played great in the spring game including catching a TD pass.
 
Y'all stop ganging up on cats2010, they are just a poster on here sharing what they can,

JRowland and worst of all Jones & KSR have been just as vague but also issuing dire forecast on CRod while giving zero details or anything
What do you want them to do? Put something out that may be sensitive to someone or active investigation or something? Or worse not all information is available, and the kids reputation is trashed before guilt is know. There is some responsibility in holding onto info until the right time.
 
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CRod isn't like most backs. He doesn't get a high average per carry because he breaks long runs and then takes a loss on the next carry. The reason he is so valuable is that he basically never loses yards. What makes him valuable is the high number of 2nd and short that UK gets because of him.
Bingo....this guys gets it.

This is why Emmit Smith was way better RB and won a ton more than Barry Sanders in NFL. Eye opening plays are awesome to watch. But you can't count on this throughout a game and the great teams don't let you break a ton of those plays.

But constantly being in 2nd and 6, 3rd and 2, etc.. helps keep the chains moving, wears down the defense, keeps your defense off the field, etc... Thsi is why CRod is a huge blow to UK if we don't get him
 
I'm wondering (hoping) that more of a pure outside zone scheme will allow McClain, Smoke and Wright to collectively make up most of what CRod was expected to do (outside zone is not CRod's ideal scheme). Add in the additional blocker with FB/TE included in RS's scheme and perhaps we're better at running the ball than we would expect w/out CRod. RS has a reputation of being very creative with both the running and passing game so he may be able to effectively scheme around not having his stud back. I don't want Levis to have to run/pass 40 times a game to win, that's for sure. Certainly, the 49ers didn't have a stud RB and they ran the ball effectively.
 
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