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Any thoughts on slowing down Vol offense

Keys to winning:

1 - long TD drvies, we can't get in to a kicking contest. We have to get in the end zone

2 - make UT settle for FGs. Bend but don't break.

3 - need 2+ turnovers. Hopefully #2 will lend towards this

4 - BB gets a special teams TD

As much as I hate to say it, UT is good. This gimmick offense has been a joke since Chip Kelley, but they are making it work. Gonna need a near perfect game to get out of there with a win.

And you know that the SEC and ESPN want that #1 vs #2 game against UGA next week, so the good ol' boys will not be any help to us.
 
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StubbornPenny said:
i mean what other strategy would you employ? You can’t go man. Only other option is blitz like crazy and hope for the best, would you rather do that?
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You are forced to play man. The pre snap motion identifies your zone coverage. Whatever it is, the route option changes to the open area. Often what happens is your zone look gets changed to zone with the splits.

7:45 mark explains it
 
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UK has to control the TOP and limit UT to 4 possessions or less per half. If the Def can get 1-2 stops per half UK can win a 31-28 type game. If UK can’t get those stops, going to be a loss along the lines of 42-24.
 
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wildcatglenn said:
You have to limit their possessions.
1. If Stoops wins the toss he has to take the ball. Letting g them have the ball first is just pain stupid.
2. CRod, Crod, Crod! Give the man the rock. He needs 25 carries. UT does not have a good defense. Run the ball and eat the clock. Hopefully, UT will get impatient on offense.
3. Gotta handle the crowd. We can't have presnap penalties.
4. Win the first qtr. UT likes to start fast and quick. Limiting them in the 1st qtr is huge
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So far this season Tennessee has scored to end the half 6/7 times and scored first in the 2nd half 5/7 times.

69 Points in the "middle 8". I dont think giving UT the ball to start the half is smart.
 
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BroncoVol13 said:
385 passing yards with 5 TDs. Yes, I would call that torching Bama.
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Well when it takes a game altering call the last few seconds it isn't exactly torching them. UT was lucky to have gotten the call. That 21 late hit/targeting call on young no call was a game changer too. Don't come back with that wasn't helmet to helmet, which it was, but can't hit him in neck or head area with any part of body when in throwing motion, or take 2 steps after he releases the ball. Was a cheap shot by a dirty team trying to hurt him.
 
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Grumpyolddawg said:
Well when it takes a game altering call the last few seconds it isn't exactly torching them. UT was lucky to have gotten the call. That 21 late hit/targeting call on young no call was a game changer too. Don't come back with that wasn't helmet to helmet, which it was, but can't hit him in neck or head area with any part of body when in throwing motion, or take 2 steps after he releases the ball. Was a cheap shot by a dirty team trying to hurt him.
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Just because calls don’t support your agenda doesn’t mean they weren’t valid calls. The PI you speak of literally featured the DB draped all over the WR.
 
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Best bet is keeping them off the field. Long drives, first downs and having a solid ratio on 3rd down conversions.

stoops will want to keep this in a under 40 total point scenario.
 
BroncoVol13 said:
Just because calls don’t support your agenda doesn’t mean they weren’t valid calls. The PI you speak of literally featured the DB draped all over the WR.
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What agenda is that oh knowing one? A blow to the QBs head when he is following through with any part of the body is targeting by rule. Grabbing and tugging is part of playing DB today, if you going to call it on a play that ends the game, call it on all of them, or it was the WR running all over the DB on an underground pass, hadn't been called all game. Don't call it to determine the game. Now, care to comment on the late hit and targeting no call by #21?
 
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Grumpyolddawg said:
What agenda is that oh knowing one? A blow to the QBs head when he is following through with any part of the body is targeting by rule. Grabbing and tugging is part of playing DB today, if you going to call it on a play that ends the game, call it on all of them, or it was the WR running all over the DB on an underground pass, hadn't been called all game. Don't call it to determine the game. Now, care to comment on the late hit and targeting no call by #21?
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#21's play was so blatant ESPN highlighted it during the Bama-Miss St game.

Like I've said, I sure wish UK could find out whose ass they have to kiss to get those calls. As it stands now, Levis is a marked man by every headhunter in the SEC and it was SEC stripes who has put the target on him.
 
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mrschwump said:
And Bama put up 600 yards in O against your shitty D so your ass got "torched" too. Took a valiant effort from stripes to get you over the hump. Aren't you proud?
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20-Alabama had never been called for that many before.
 
I think we will see some dime packages from UK. The goal should be to make UT work for their points by running the ball and short passes, not give away explosive plays and other gifts. Obviously UT is an extremely talented offense and on fire right now. The goal for UK would be to keep them in the low 30s and to make most of our possessions count. Kentucky won't be able to live off of C-Rod they will have to be balanced. Need big contributions from the receivers and TEs. Could be another high scoring affair.
 
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BroncoVol13 said:
Just because calls don’t support your agenda doesn’t mean they weren’t valid calls. The PI you speak of literally featured the DB draped all over the WR.
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Number one- he’s a Georgia fan so it doesn’t fit this so called agenda. Number two- reading your posts and the other UT fans why don’t you just petition to have the game canceled, give UT the win, then cancel the rest of the season and just show reruns of Peyton Manning’s UT games. I swear you and your fans are blind, clueless, rude, and stupid. Why don’t you go back to wherever the hell you came from.
 
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Deeeefense said:
I think we will see some dime packages from UK. The goal should be to make UT work for their points by running the ball and short passes, not give away explosive plays and other gifts. Obviously UT is an extremely talented offense and on fire right now. The goal for UK would be to keep them in the low 30s and to make most of our possessions count. Kentucky won't be able to live off of C-Rod they will have to be balanced. Need big contributions from the receivers and TEs. Could be another high scoring affair.
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I personally hope UK throws 75% of the time because UT is 130th in pass defense yet tied for 8th in run defense.
Hopefully UK’s gameplan is to pass and pass often.
We have a great QB with a rifle arm and several talented WR and TEs. This could be the game where Levis and our pass catchers are showcased and I believe they will be.
 
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cleveland2854 said:
You are forced to play man. The pre snap motion identifies your zone coverage. Whatever it is, the route option changes to the open area. Often what happens is your zone look gets changed to zone with the splits.

7:45 mark explains it
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Not forced to play man. You are correct in it forces the defense into alignment that makes it much easier to identify the zone coverage you're dealing with. Combined with the pace, it's very difficult to disguise anything
 
I think we have a shot if we can play a 1st half that is not a penalty and mistake trainwreck where we allow ourselves to get in a hole. Unfortunately, I have not seen our offense do that all 4 quarters in SEC play. We seem to be in in a daze a lot of times until the 3rd quarter rolls around. A fast disciplined start is necessary. Ball control is fine, but you have to put something up on the board up every possession. I like our secondary against the vols this year more so than last year, but they are still going to score a lot. Their O-line has excellent pass protection. Ball control without scoring will not cut it.
 
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Listened to Tom Leach with Freddie Maggard this morning and I love Freddie's takes normally but was shocked that they spent the entire segment without a single mention (that I heard) of dealing with the tempo of UT.

They talked over and over about tackling and while that is always important this is not the air raid we're going against Saturday where the dink and dunk it and make your run and tackle. This is offense is built first and foremost on hurry up and tempo hoping to keep you off balane then attacking vertical off that. Getting lined up in time and the right way under pressure of tempo is BY FAR the number one factor in this game.

They got two scores on us last year in the first few minutes of the game and both due to confusion and misalignment and assignment, not mis tackling. And the get at least one of those a game now off busted coverage due to catching teams not lined up and off balance with tempo.

If you take away the score or two they get just from that alone this year they are 4/3 at best and not ranked, so its that big a factor.

White and Stoops and got to have a game plan for getting up from the last play and lined up quick or it will be hard to deal with. And once they get you off balance on the first play they pick it up and keep you on your heels the entire drive. Just like me walking up to you and pushing you in the chest rocking you back on your heels then before you regain your balance, stepping up and doing it again.

That and keeping Hooker from scrambling for big first downs are #1 and #2 IMO. The rest we can deal with enough to have a decent shot.
 
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Soupbean said:
Listened to Tom Leach with Freddie Maggard this morning and I love Freddie's takes normally but was shocked that they spent the entire segment without a single mention (that I heard) of dealing with the tempo of UT.

They talked over and over about tackling and while that is always important this is not the air raid we're going against Saturday where the dink and dunk it and make your run and tackle. This is offense is built first and foremost on hurry up and tempo hoping to keep you off balane then attacking vertical off that. Getting lined up in time and the right way under pressure of tempo is BY FAR the number one factor in this game.

They got two scores on us last year in the first few minutes of the game and both due to confusion and misalignment and assignment, not mis tackling. And the get at least one of those a game now off busted coverage due to catching teams not lined up and off balance with tempo.

If you take away the score or two they get just from that alone this year they are 4/3 at best and not ranked, so its that big a factor.

White and Stoops and got to have a game plan for getting up from the last play and lined up quick or it will be hard to deal with. And once they get you off balance on the first play they pick it up and keep you on your heels the entire drive. Just like me walking up to you and pushing you in the chest rocking you back on your heels then before you regain your balance, stepping up and doing it again.

That and keeping Hooker from scrambling for big first downs are #1 and #2 IMO. The rest we can deal with enough to have a decent shot.
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Facing a then top #15 Ole Miss on the road with their uptempo style could prove very beneficially during the UT game, plus having the bye to study film of the Ole Miss gm and the Alabama/UT game will be huge for UK, the coaching staff and our defensive players.
 
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dckala2 said:
Best bet is keeping them off the field. Long drives, first downs and having a solid ratio on 3rd down conversions.

stoops will want to keep this in a under 40 total point scenario.
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Thats not happening. Under 60 maybe. Say 31-28 UK, something of that nature.
 
satcheluk said:
We blitz about 7% of the time. I wouldn't expect that to change too much. Rushing with 3 down lineman and bringing a 4th rusher from the LB pos is not a blitz, but simulates one because the offense doesn't know where the 4th rusher is coming from. Expect to see that a lot, just as you did against MSU.
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Rushing 3 against 5 or 6 will not work. That does two things; it gives him all day to throw and it leaves the middle of the field wide open to the run. Somehow we have to disguise coverages where it looks like we are playing with 15 guys on defense. I don’t know, it’s just going to be a tall order on defense. We have to decide to either drop in coverage or pressure the quarterback. It will be interesting to see what Coach White figures out. He will earn his money this week. Something I’ve noticed watching Tennessee is he is seldom pressured. He’s elusive but his line does a nice job of protecting him. Wide receiver matchup is more even that people think. Tight end the same way. We have the edge at running back. And I think our overall defense is better than theirs. Special teams, we suck, if it comes down to a field goal, we are toast.
 
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Rushing 3 against 5 or 6 will not work. That does two things; it gives him all day to throw and it leaves the middle of the field wide open to the run. Somehow we have to disguise coverages where it looks like we are playing with 15 guys on defense. I don’t know, it’s just going to be a tall order on defense. We have to decide to either drop in coverage or pressure the quarterback. It will be interesting to see what Coach White figures out. He will earn his money this week. Something I’ve noticed watching Tennessee is he is seldom pressured. He’s elusive but his line does a nice job of protecting him. Wide receiver matchup is more even that people think. Tight end the same way. We have the edge at running back. And I think our overall defense is better than theirs. Special teams, we suck, if it comes down to a field goal, we are toast.
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We do not suck at ST. BB is a thunder bolt returning kickoffs.
I have a gut feeling Stoops/White are going to blitz Hooker and blitz him tons and hope Valentine and Smith can hold there on.
 
Tittys73 said:
I’m sure the Vols or quaking in their boots… we have beaten them four times out of 45… our all-time winning coach has beaten them two out of seven . Our fans are delusional. There is a reason the line is 14 points.
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Teams have lost many times with 2TD lines. Its a rivalry game and Kentucky is very good defensively and has generational talents at QB and RB. Keep disrespecting the 19th ranked team in America.
 
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bigblueinsanity said:
Not forced to play man. You are correct in it forces the defense into alignment that makes it much easier to identify the zone coverage you're dealing with. Combined with the pace, it's very difficult to disguise anything
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Not forced certainly. But the communication is easier when the snap is imminent and assignments change suddenly. Florida tried to stay zone a few times and had safeties guarding empty field.

To me, it seems like the best option is man up tight on all WRs on the LOS (Hyatt is always off the line) and keep your safeties within 15 yards of the LOS. You will give up some throws but will force some quicker passes than we want if you bring extra pressure or can get home with 4/5.
 
HerrosHeroes said:
I personally hope UK throws 75% of the time because UT is 130th in pass defense yet tied for 8th in run defense.
Hopefully UK’s gameplan is to pass and pass often.
We have a great QB with a rifle arm and several talented WR and TEs. This could be the game where Levis and our pass catchers are showcased and I believe they will be.
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You do understand why that is the case don't you HH?. UT gets off to such fast starts teams get behind early before they adjust to the speed of snaps. Getting behind 2-3 scores gets teams out of game plan and forces them to play catch up .
 
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You do understand why that is the case don't you HH?. UT gets off to such fast starts teams get behind early before they adjust to the speed of snaps. Getting behind 2-3 scores gets teams out of game plan and forces them to play catch up .
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Ok but they are still giving up 330 yd per game passing.
 
Grumpyolddawg said:
Well when it takes a game altering call the last few seconds it isn't exactly torching them. UT was lucky to have gotten the call. That 21 late hit/targeting call on young no call was a game changer too. Don't come back with that wasn't helmet to helmet, which it was, but can't hit him in neck or head area with any part of body when in throwing motion, or take 2 steps after he releases the ball. Was a cheap shot by a dirty team trying to hurt him.
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So was he in a throwing motion or had he thrown the ball already?
 
cleveland2854 said:
Not forced certainly. But the communication is easier when the snap is imminent and assignments change suddenly. Florida tried to stay zone a few times and had safeties guarding empty field.

To me, it seems like the best option is man up tight on all WRs on the LOS (Hyatt is always off the line) and keep your safeties within 15 yards of the LOS. You will give up some throws but will force some quicker passes than we want if you bring extra pressure or can get home with 4/5.
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They tried that last year because Tennessee had just went for 3 TDs and 10 yards an attempt on Bama the game before. They just passed behind the LOS and blocked the DBs with stacked wideouts.
 
NewWorldKat said:
So was he in a throwing motion or had he thrown the ball already?
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Ball was gone he was on follow threw, arm was still up

But point is hevcant hit him in yhevhead if he is holding the ball if he is still looking for axreceiver, or at knee level. The guy who hit him turned looking for a flag.
 
NewWorldKat said:
They tried that last year because Tennessee had just went for 3 TDs and 10 yards an attempt on Bama the game before. They just passed behind the LOS and blocked the DBs with stacked wideouts.
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Yea. It’s a really tough offense to be right on with your defense a ton. That’s why I think your best option (not just Uk) is to force negative plays by guessing right some. You have to take away something. If you are gonna give up yards and big plays anyway, force somethings your way.
 
cleveland2854 said:
Not forced certainly. But the communication is easier when the snap is imminent and assignments change suddenly. Florida tried to stay zone a few times and had safeties guarding empty field.

To me, it seems like the best option is man up tight on all WRs on the LOS (Hyatt is always off the line) and keep your safeties within 15 yards of the LOS. You will give up some throws but will force some quicker passes than we want if you bring extra pressure or can get home with 4/5.
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Only if you have 4 really good man cover guys. We don't. We have two pretty good man cover guys. To be fair we also don't really recruit that. We'll play it though if we get them, like we did with bossman and echols.

If you don't have 4 really good man cover guys, you're just asking to get shredded. Bama is a great example.
 
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