Another heartwarming NIL saga . . . from Maryland coach Mike Locksley

[Tskware]

The condensed version of the story is that a 3rd string RB came to him after the season (where Maryland had won 7 games, then beat Auburn in the MCB) and demanded $100K or he was going to hit the transfer portal. He went on to say that it was constant after the season, which was a good one by MD standards, every kid on the team wanted this or that. He says it is ruining the best team game there is, and I 100% agree.

It is crazy. And it will only get worse, after the top kids see the Lamborghini that UGA QB bought, how long before every top QB expects the boosters to pony up for his ride?

Who is going to put a stop to this insanity?

NIL just as it was meant to be

 

[cat_in_the_hat]

I think there are a couple of ways of putting a stop to it. Under existing rules, the NCAA has to enforce existing NIL rules, and athletic departments have to be adamant about the separation between the athletic department and NIL. In other words, the answer to question of I want X amount of money or I'm going into the portal should be why are you asking me. I have nothing to do with NIL. If your NIL is worth that kind of money you should be able to find businesses who will pay that. Until schools separate NIL from athletics, that won't change.

The second option is for the NCAA to work with congress to either pass some national legislation that gets it under control or works with them to get exemptions from certain aspects of anti trust laws.

Personally, I have no faith in the first scenario because certain school with always try to take advantage of the situation.

 

[Mulder14]

The college game will never be the same. You’re going to see older coaches retire and the younger ones doing everything they can to get to the nfl. I know Liam said he would be hear a few years but I don’t see how any of these coaches put up with this

 

[CaptainBoogerBuns]

Can’t we just admit it was a bad idea?

 

[westerncat]

I said on some time back that when this NIL was coming it was opening a can of worms. Unless some rules are changed ( and I don't see that happening) CFB & CBB is MAY be unwatchable.

 

[Ky grandpa]

I never liked it from the start, I knew certain programs would ruin it for the rest of the sports world...
Money is always going to be at the heart of cheating or any kind of trouble in any athletic department...


GBB

 

[ohiocatfan826]

Thee issue is it has turned into promises before signing. They need to hammer every deal where the kid cashed in NIL associated with going to a particular school. The promises are being made to sway the signings prior to inking with a school. An easy way to end that, is make the deals stick regardless if the kid goes to the school or not. IE Tennessee offers their prized QB commit 7 million to play for them and he ends up going to USC for 8 million. Make Tennessee have to pay it regardless since it wasnt for NIL AT Tennessee its just name image likeness of the athlete right? If the deal is signed after they sign with the school then it applies while they attend that school only. Pipe dream I know, but man it would throw that crap into disarray with quickness when big booster is paying a kid to play for another school

 

[TucsonCat]

Who is going to put a stop to this insanity?

NIL just as it was meant to be

The free market.

Excuse me if i dont get outraged. That RB was was just participating in capitalism. Maybe you liberal gen z hippies hate America, but I'm no commie.

That coach needs to be a man. Learn to say no. He gets 5.5 million dollars a year, shouldn't need a rule put in place to help him do his job.

When millionaire coaches all agree to salary cap themselves, maybe then, probably not, I'll worry about the players destroying their bodies for leased cars and free dinners at Olive Garden.

 

[Soupbean]

Fellas so know everyone hates the NCAA and they are a cluster but they are still just a leadership board of trh Universities themselves and this is why they fought so hard to save what they could of amateur status for their sports all the years.

It’s not because they wanted to oppress college athletes (I’ve explained a thousand times how it’s it’s not the NCAA or Universities pocketing the money), and it’s not about control or power (again the NCAA is just the Universities themselves)….the reason the made rules to try an save amateur status is they knew if they didn’t they could never control the money and they couldn’t ever really have pure COLLEGE athletics any more.

The more it becomes about the money the less it has anything to do perhaps the colleges themselves. Their leagues were made for student athletes of their universities.

But they were always fighting a losing battle and probably should have compromised to save what they could a long time ago by giving guys stipends etc.
But even then it was a matter of time before todays culture of money ran right over the top of what they wanted their leagues to be. That ship has sailed and the poor leadership of the NCAA is partly to blame.

But I’m just telling you, what you are seeing now was easy to predict and why they fought to keep it from happening for so long

 

[dvillecatfan]

Players not doing anything higher ups ain't done...want more.

 

[BC_Wader]

I never liked it from the start, I knew certain programs would ruin it for the rest of the sports world...
Money is always going to be at the heart of cheating or any kind of trouble in any athletic department...


GBB

It's at the heart of everything in life, unfortunately. Not just sports.

 

[UKBlueBlood]

Frankly, the only check against this lunacy is fan interest, or the lack thereof. College football makes big money because there is a huge fan base of eyeballs to show commercials to during games. Similarly, NIL money is available to players because entities putting up this money (theoretically) believe it is financially beneficial for those entities to have players representing them.

If fans get turned off by players demanding outlandish compensation and stop buying tickets and watching games on TV, then this whole thing crashes and burns.

Yes, I know this is a rather unrealistic scenario, but the fans can essentially control this behavior.

 

[yoshukai]

Can’t we just admit it was a bad idea?

Well the courts decided it so there’s nothing we can do.

 

[Nightwish84]

Yeah, I just don't have an issue with NIL. If it's a mess, then it's not mine to clean up. The NCAA had years to act and utterly failed to. SCOTUS, who rarely agrees with each other, issued a 9-0 ruling against the NCAA. 9-0. That's pretty unheard of. The mess is behind the scenes and viewership has proven that fans aren't bothered that athletes are now able to make a profit. Naturally coaches don't like it because it gives them more work and there's more roster turnover. I'm not weeping for someone making millions who can also skip out of pressers, coaching shows, and can leave at the drop of a hat for a better opportunity. Again, yes, it's a mess but it's behind the scenes and if you think fans will stop watching college sports just because they're watching someone who pocketed $75,000 legally, you're delusional. It's a box that was opened and can never be closed. Why? Because our Supreme Court ruled it was legal to do so.

 

[FirewithFire]

It will end exactly the way that myself and many predicted. Those that have the money will eat from the table. Those who have some money will eat the crumbs that fall from the table. Those that have no money will starve.

This will continue until players are unionized and a cap put into place.

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

It will also create more parity in football. If his 3rd stringer is any good, someone elsewhere will pay...if not, welcome to life.

Notice Bama and UGA weren't as deep this past year?

 

[CaptainBoogerBuns]

Well the courts decided it so there’s nothing we can do.

Because the courts are always right…

 

[truebluewildcat]

Players need agents and like the NFL or NBA, there needs to be a "GM" and front office of sorts said agents can deal with.

Players do not negotiate with coaches in the professional leagues.

There's a PROFESSIONAL process.

There's a market for one, meaning it's public information who is getting what based of xyz criteria.

There's a time period for negotiations based on whether or not your contract is up.

When players contracts are up and they start demanding xyz, it is known whether or not other teams even want them.

You can't just barge in and say I want or I'm out.

Okay...where you going and how much they offering?

 

[Tubbyfan78]

Sounds like a lot of you guys need to move to Cuba. Socialism is still big there.

 

[K_TIME]

Sounds like a lot of you guys need to move to Cuba. Socialism is still big there.

Is it socialism when nfl has salary cap

 

[Tubbyfan78]

Is it socialism when nfl has salary cap

No, it was collectively bargained. Deals are part of capitalism Chief. Then, they’d have call them employees to do so. They’re trapped and it’s of their own making.

 

[K_TIME]

No, it was collectively bargained. Deals are part of capitalism Chief. Then, they’d have call them employees to do so. They’re trapped and it’s of their own making.

Well..the sport is going to die a slow death of fan interest if something doesn’t change…and the socialism crap gets old as an argument..chief

 

[CaptainBoogerBuns]

Sounds like a lot of you guys need to move to Cuba. Socialism is still big there.

Two things can be true at the same time. You can be pro-capitalism, but still be a proponent of keeping some things amateur. Of course that’s not going to happen.

 

[hmt5000]

The condensed version of the story is that a 3rd string RB came to him after the season (where Maryland had won 7 games, then beat Auburn in the MCB) and demanded $100K or he was going to hit the transfer portal. He went on to say that it was constant after the season, which was a good one by MD standards, every kid on the team wanted this or that. He says it is ruining the best team game there is, and I 100% agree.

It is crazy. And it will only get worse, after the top kids see the Lamborghini that UGA QB bought, how long before every top QB expects the boosters to pony up for his ride?

Who is going to put a stop to this insanity?

NIL just as it was meant to be

Yep. But its the ncaa's fault. They wanted to keep this farce of amateurism going while making millions.

They sell this and don't even expect to share money.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

I think there are a couple of ways of putting a stop to it. Under existing rules, the NCAA has to enforce existing NIL rules, and athletic departments have to be adamant about the separation between the athletic department and NIL. In other words, the answer to question of I want X amount of money or I'm going into the portal should be why are you asking me. I have nothing to do with NIL. If your NIL is worth that kind of money you should be able to find businesses who will pay that. Until schools separate NIL from athletics, that won't change.

The second option is for the NCAA to work with congress to either pass some national legislation that gets it under control or works with them to get exemptions from certain aspects of anti trust laws.

Personally, I have no faith in the first scenario because certain school with always try to take advantage of the situation.

I dont think option 2 would withstand judicial review.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Yep. But its the ncaa's fault. They wanted to keep this farce of amateurism going while making millions.

They sell this and don't even expect to share money.

I don’t think the NCAA could have done anything to stop this.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

No, it was collectively bargained. Deals are part of capitalism Chief. Then, they’d have call them employees to do so. They’re trapped and it’s of their own making.

Salary caps and NIL are totally different issues.

 

[hmt5000]

I don’t think the NCAA could have done anything to stop this.

They could have not put kids on the cover while not letting them even get a job mowing grass. EA didn't just do that on their own.

 

[cat_in_the_hat]

I dont think option 2 would withstand judicial review.

MLB has enjoyed certain exemptions from anti trust laws for decades. In fact courts have ruled that if congress doesn’t want those exemptions to apply to MLB it should legislate their removal. Clearly the court believes congress has that power. Congress could legislate exemptions for sports leagues or could legislate laws that govern how NIL must be regulated in college sports. I think either would hold up.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

They could have not put kids on the cover while not letting them even get a job mowing grass. EA didn't just do that on their own.

Thats a tiny issue. The real issue is the ridiculous amount of money coaches are paid and schools make. At some point, with all that money, the players want some.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

MLB has enjoyed certain exemptions from anti trust laws for decades. In fact courts have ruled that if congress doesn’t want those exemptions to apply to MLB it should legislate their removal. Clearly the court believes congress has that power. Congress could legislate exemptions for sports leagues or could legislate laws that govern how NIL must be regulated in college sports. I think either would hold up.

Yes but the exemptions aren't at the player endorsement level, not even close. Nevermind that the exemptions are probably going the way of dinosaurs before too long.

 

[CRZ4UK]

No, it was collectively bargained. Deals are part of capitalism Chief. Then, they’d have call them employees to do so. They’re trapped and it’s of their own making.

All this free market crap you guys spew is stupid. Most everyone believes that a college guy should be able to keep money that his name generates. That’s what the courts said. The courts did not say rich boosters can now pay to buy a championship. That’s what is happening. You should be able to easily separate the two. Tennessee QB that was given millions before he ever set foot on campus was not being paid for his names worth. He was paid to come to Tennessee and play. There is a difference and it’s really not hard to separate. Rules easily could have been set up and followed if it wasn’t for cheating buttfaces.

 

[cat_in_the_hat]

Yes but the exemptions aren't at the player endorsement level, not even close. Nevermind that the exemptions are probably going the way of dinosaurs before too long.

They don’t have to regulate player endorsements. All they have to do is regulate a schools evolvement and the use of it as an inducement to attend a school. In other words, regulate the schools involvment in NIL.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

They don’t have to regulate player endorsements. All they have to do is regulate a schools evolvement and the use of it as an inducement to attend a school. In other words, regulate the schools involvment in NIL.

What will that solve?

 

[3632]

Fellas so know everyone hates the NCAA and they are a cluster but they are still just a leadership board of trh Universities themselves and this is why they fought so hard to save what they could of amateur status for their sports all the years.

It’s not because they wanted to oppress college athletes (I’ve explained a thousand times how it’s it’s not the NCAA or Universities pocketing the money), and it’s not about control or power (again the NCAA is just the Universities themselves)….the reason the made rules to try an save amateur status is they knew if they didn’t they could never control the money and they couldn’t ever really have pure COLLEGE athletics any more.

The more it becomes about the money the less it has anything to do perhaps the colleges themselves. Their leagues were made for student athletes of their universities.

But they were always fighting a losing battle and probably should have compromised to save what they could a long time ago by giving guys stipends etc.
But even then it was a matter of time before todays culture of money ran right over the top of what they wanted their leagues to be. That ship has sailed and the poor leadership of the NCAA is partly to blame.

But I’m just telling you, what you are seeing now was easy to predict and why they fought to keep it from happening for so long

All that had to be done was to be proactive to come up with something that worked and was reasonable. Burying their head in the sand and hoping a court case would do it all was either stupidity or laziness. With Emmett it was probably both. Trying to come up with a system after the fact now is the problem.

 

[dallasg23]

Can’t we just admit it was a bad idea?

Had it worked the way it was intended, it would be fine. TV commercials, video games billboards etc. But it has turned into guys getting money for doing absolutely nothing all from these collectives.

 

[K_TIME]

Had it worked the way it was intended, it would be fine. TV commercials, video games billboards etc. But it has turned into guys getting money for doing absolutely nothing all from these collectives.

But what is to say tenneseee wanted to get 9M to Qb Nico to come there. They could just put up a billboard with him on a flying J gas station in Knoxville…..And then say “that was worth 9M….here you go”

How can you regulate that in any way? To me..it’s just pay to play just under rhe facade of NIL

This is why rhe Ncaa had the rules it did….schools/booster would do “no work jobs” etc from the get go…so what would prevent made up advertising and call it NIL?

 

[Tskware]

But what is to say tenneseee wanted to get 9M to Qb Nico to come there. They could just put up a billboard with him on a flying J gas station in Knoxville…..And then say “that was worth 9M….here you go”

How can you regulate that in any way? To me..it’s just pay to play just under rhe facade of NIL

This is why rhe Ncaa had the rules it did….schools/booster would do “no work jobs” etc from the get go…so what would prevent made up advertising and call it NIL?

I think one guide would be the IRS, is it ordinary and necessary and reasonable business expense to pay 9 million dollars to put a high school quarterback on a billboard in Knoxville?

I think the answer to that is obviously "no", so then it becomes illegal to do so. Sounds easy but the devil is in the details

 

[Boz]

The free market.

Excuse me if i dont get outraged. That RB was was just participating in capitalism. Maybe you liberal gen z hippies hate America, but I'm no commie.

That coach needs to be a man. Learn to say no. He gets 5.5 million dollars a year, shouldn't need a rule put in place to help him do his job.

When millionaire coaches all agree to salary cap themselves, maybe then, probably not, I'll worry about the players destroying their bodies for leased cars and free dinners at Olive Garden.

The US economy is not a true free market. It is regulated by the government with laws and rules.

 

[CaptainBoogerBuns]

The US economy is not a true free market. It is regulated by the government with laws and rules.

Exactly. Unless one is ok with price gouging, it isn’t pure capitalism—and I say that as a capitalist.