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$8 Million NIL Deal

So if you're a 5th year player and you've already graduated you still have to enroll in full time classes even though you already have a degree and don't want to get a graduate degree? That is a dumb a** rule if that's the case
You either have to be working towards a second undergrad degree or a graduate degree. You can't just take four random electives.

So if a person is in the situation you stated, they would have to be taking classes that are part of a degree program. So, for example, if a person was getting a second undergrad degree in English, they would have to be taking the classes (or prerequisites for those classes) that are required for an English major. They couldn't be taking PE, for example, unless they were working towards a PE degree.
 
You won’t be missed.

Never thought I would be. If this could have been postponed 5-6 years,maybe less, I would have missed it . I do hope you can enjoy the NFL light as much as you have enjoyed college football because it is not the s as me sport that everyone posting here, including you, have enjoyed all these years. You just saw the beginnings of what the new college football is all about. Enjoy it without me, and on a side note it has never been my intention I n to slander UK in Stoops's early years I was behind him more than many UK fans. This isn't good for UK either.
 
I'm waiting for players to start selling stock in themselves. Get like 1,000 people to invest $1,000 and when the player goes pro you get a return on your investment. If they blow up big time then you might get two or three times the return on your money. If they end up not making it in the pros then you are just out the $1,000.
 
Never thought I would be. If this could have been postponed 5-6 years,maybe less, I would have missed it . I do hope you can enjoy the NFL light as much as you have enjoyed college football because it is not the s as me sport that everyone posting here, including you, have enjoyed all these years. You just saw the beginnings of what the new college football is all about. Enjoy it without me, and on a side note it has never been my intention I n to slander UK in Stoops's early years I was behind him more than many UK fans. This isn't good for UK either.

It won't be the same but will still be good. We don't have to like the change. Just have to live with it
 
All I can say is there must be a whole lot more rich people without any sense than I ever thought possible. I can't believe there are but a handful of businesses that could really benefit from association and promotion by a college football player or basketball player. And certainly not to the tune of $8M.

This NIL really is no different than horse racing, i.e., the sport of kings, only we are now in an era to determine which set of millionaires can fund the best football team, and the stakes will probably get higher as time goes by.
 
I can't believe CFB is becoming a sport where the best players are bought & told where to play by rich guys!!

(THAT WAS ALWAYS HAPPENING)

way I look at it, at least now everyone is being honest about what is going on. And we won't have a bunch of corrupt crooks from the NCAA dropping in arbitrarily to nuke schools for doing what everyone else is doing, as they did UK several times like 2000.
 
I can't believe CFB is becoming a sport where the best players are bought & told where to play by rich guys!!

(THAT WAS ALWAYS HAPPENING)

way I look at it, at least now everyone is being honest about what is going on. And we won't have a bunch of corrupt crooks from the NCAA dropping in arbitrarily to nuke schools for doing what everyone else is doing, as they did UK several times like 2000.
There have always been rule breakers no doubt but nothing like we are about to see the money being talked about is a 1000 times more than it was 20 or 30 years ago
 
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There have always been rule breakers no doubt but nothing like we are about to see the money being talked about is a 1000 times more than it was 20 or 30 years ago
Like a lot of things, "going on some" just has a different feel than "in your face normalized."
 
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Online speculation is the recruit is Arch Manning, the school is Texas. Wise investment if true.

The recruit has to be a quarterback, even crazy boosters are not gonna commit millions to a DT or OL or CB.

C'mon UK NIL, get in the game & buy us a stud QB recruit to replace Levis for 2023.
I don't think it's Manning. It's Nicco and UT. Manning hasn't signed anything and word is Nicco was won over on his visit to UT. Now you know how
 
Been looking for a reputable report on numbers. This gives some insight on the ceiling:



“On Friday, a five-star recruit in the Class of 2023 signed an agreement with a school’s NIL collective that could pay him more than $8 million by the end of his junior year of college, The Athletichas learned. He’ll be paid $350,000 almost immediately, followed by monthly payouts escalating to more than $2 million per year once he begins his college career, in exchange for making public appearances and taking part in social media promotions and other NIL activities “on behalf of (the collective) or a third party.”

The player is never named but I assume it’s a DE, DT, or QB
This early, no way this is the ceiling, but it does provide insight to the trajectory of the NIL pay for play compensation model.
 
This early, no way this is the ceiling, but it does provide insight to the trajectory of the NIL pay for play compensation model.
Of course the ceiling could change but this is the reported ceiling unless I missed a sourced story with a higher number. Now hope to get one on the median pay out.
 
So what will happen in the Alabama model?? The Collective provides a 2 million NIL deal to bring in transfer JT Daniels. He is beaten out in spring practice by former walk-on Will there be pressure by the collective for Saban to play Daniels?? Projecting which HS quarterbacks will be successful at the college level has always been a huge crapshoot. Will they still pay the guy on the bench while the starter goes unpaid??
 
These things could cause a problem in team dynamics
It never created a problem when I got paid more than my colleagues due to high commissions. On the contrary, I was promoted to leadership and asked to train those who needed it. People who think this is going to be a problem, I would suggest, are projecting.
 
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NIL is like investing in startups. You invest early and at a discount and some crash and others pan out. Those that pan out more than compensate you for the risk you took on the others.
 
Maybe the NCAA cannot, but it will be in the best interest of the NIL collectives to organize to try to do so.

OF course, first, I imagine they'll have to recategorize the student athletes as employees and then the NIL collectives could, perhaps,assume the same role as professional sports team owners with constructs like salary/NIL caps, "franchise player" tags, right of first refusal, rookie contract guidelines, etc.

I may be way off base about what changes can be made, but, I have no doubt, that absent more structure around the administration of NIL the overall CFB product will be diminished by the further, extreme tilting of the competitive landscape.

Just MHO
Since you are posting here, it is more likely than not that you are a Republican/conservative, yet you are proposing that those in power collude and conspire to take the free out of free market? Do you think about what you are typing before you press the keys? Please enlighten us with how this jibes with your personal ethos.
 
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NIL is like investing in startups. You invest early and at a discount and some crash and others pan out. Those that pan out more than compensate you for the risk you took on the others.
So you are saying a 8 million dollar deal for an unproven player is a discount?? The thing is in my opinion this player will never provide 8 million return on the investment. Levis got 100k. That is possible to recoup but I doubt he will. These guys are taking a loss so their chosen football team can win. These are not business decisions. They are buying the player for the player. The public appearances and signings are just a show.
 
What is a "loss" to you is quite different to what is a "loss" to big bucks NIL funding folks.

I'd say getting a P5 starting QB who plays at an all conference level to your favorite school for only $2M is a bargain- if i were a billionaire & had it to give.

What exactly is the "return on investment" Joe Craft getting for giving UK tens of millions for basketball & football practice facilities? His name on a big sign? Charitable deductions on tax return?
 
I think all of this free market talk is a bunch of garbage personally. I don't think the intent of this from the very beginning or any point in between was to set-up a legal avenue to buy players. The original lawsuit was to say you can't promote your program, make profits for your program, using any players NIL w/o sharing in those profits. The rest of what is going on now is just our greedy society figuring out a way to exploit every angle there is to be exploited.
 
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So you are saying a 8 million dollar deal for an unproven player is a discount?? The thing is in my opinion this player will never provide 8 million return on the investment. Levis got 100k. That is possible to recoup but I doubt he will. These guys are taking a loss so their chosen football team can win. These are not business decisions. They are buying the player for the player. The public appearances and signings are just a show.

That is it exactly. What does Joe Craft get? An ego stroke and a recruiting tool for his favorite team. It is his money and he can do what he wants with it, but it is all about winning basketball games, at least in that case.

I understand why the Whitaker family paid for naming rights to the Hamburg YMCA and I know why Central Bank paid for the naming rights to the Civic Center, but there just is no "business" justification for paying a HS player $8M, there just isn't.
 
Since you are posting here, it is more likely than not that you are a Republican/conservative, yet you are proposing that those in power collude and conspire to take the free out of free market? Do you think about what you are typing before you press the keys? Please enlighten us with how this jibes with your personal ethos.
Every pro sport has salary caps
 
What is a "loss" to you is quite different to what is a "loss" to big bucks NIL funding folks.

I'd say getting a P5 starting QB who plays at an all conference level to your favorite school for only $2M is a bargain- if i were a billionaire & had it to give.

What exactly is the "return on investment" Joe Craft getting for giving UK tens of millions for basketball & football practice facilities? His name on a big sign? Charitable deductions on tax return?
I believe we are saying the same thing. The NIL lawsuit said players can’t be denied the ability to make money off their brand. That is not what is happening. If players were setting up deals for appearances and signing and taking those profits that is what the law allows. Profit from their name. A booster losing 7.5 million on a contract is not business. No funds were generated by the players NIL. This is simply buying players. Our upper crust will always find a new way to cheat. That’s what I hate. Not capitalism.
 
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but there just is no "business" justification for paying a HS player $8M, there just isn't.
What's the business return on investment justification of paying Mark Stoops $7 million?

Oh wait sorry, that would be $28 million, over 4 yrs (as that is the time period the HS kid can earn the $8m)?
 
What's the business return on investment justification of paying Mark Stoops $7 million?

Oh wait sorry, that would be $28 million, over 4 yrs (as that is the time period the HS kid can earn the $8m)?

You are comparing apples and oranges. They are nothing alike. Stoops is being paid by the UKAA whose business it is to win football games, and coaches have always been paid professionals, and that is what the market bears for winning football coaches, like it or not. So there most definitely a positive ROI from hiring or retaining a top coach.

On the other hand, Central Bank and Whitaker Bank (since I brought them up) are in the business of making loans, and most especially, collecting those loans. Paying $8M to one football player (I know that the NIL money is not coming from them, but using an example here) is in no way shape or form helpful to their business, or if it is, the help is miniscule compared to the outlay of corporate funds.
 
So you are saying a 8 million dollar deal for an unproven player is a discount?? The thing is in my opinion this player will never provide 8 million return on the investment. Levis got 100k. That is possible to recoup but I doubt he will. These guys are taking a loss so their chosen football team can win. These are not business decisions. They are buying the player for the player. The public appearances and signings are just a show.
The article says up to 8 million. We haven’t seen the contract so who knows what the criteria is. If he flames out, doubt he gets it all. But even if he did, who cares.
 
There is zero salary caps in all sports for money earned outside your team employer. Jordan in his prime probably earned more off the court than every other NBA player combined.

Hey if we want a universe where NIL goes away & players go on salaries from schools and/or conferences, salaries based on starting & experience & grades, I'd be for it.
 
Since you are posting here, it is more likely than not that you are a Republican/conservative, yet you are proposing that those in power collude and conspire to take the free out of free market? Do you think about what you are typing before you press the keys? Please enlighten us with how this jibes with your personal ethos.

My observation is considerably broader than you suggest it to be.

I submit that, in its current manifestation, the NIL phenomenon is, rapidly, destroying CFB as we have known it and (here's the important part with regards to your response to my post), in the bargain, destroying the NIL Collective business model.

I have maintained since the advent of NIL that only a handful of teams will be able to sustain an elite level of NIL funding - and those teams won't necessarily be comprised of the traditionally elite programs of recent years. As a natural consequence, in short order, only a handful of programs will field teams that can, realistically, compete at this new super team level.

At that point, the old conference affiliations and the CFP that we have today will no longer make sense. Instead, those super teams might as well, and likely will, form their own nationwide league.

As to your free market allusions, ours is no where near a pure free market or pure market economy - and for good reason.

In pure free markets, in the absence of sensible regulation, the profit motive, inevitably, leads to diminished competition as, over time, monopolies and oligopolies are all that are left standing. Given the opportunity of no regulatory restraint, the more powerful players will choose to run their competition out of business through means that regulations would, otherwise, render illegal.
https://www.businessinsider.com/sherman-antitrust-act

NIL is a pure market right now. There are virtually no sensible regulations to prevent the outcome of CFB being "owned" by an oligopoly (just a handful of NIL collectives) - and headed toward the same end as any other Positive Feedback Loop system for which the output (i.e., product on the field and consumer interest therefore) becomes destablized.

Some structure/regulation/guidelines could result in a sustainable NIL model - a model that is better for more NIL beneficiaries and for whatever CFB is destined to become.

As an aside, enlighten us as to why you felt compelled to include in your post the provocative rhetorical question of "Do you think about what you are typing before you press the keys?" The comment added nothing of value to your post. So, why? In fact, I do.

By the way, I did chuckle at your impressive superman-like leap of logic: "Since you are posting here, it is more likely than not that you are a Republican/conservative..." You have an undeniable gift. Bless your heart.
 
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I kind of wish there was an NFL G League and just say go there if you want to make money instead of college. The same for basketball. At least baseball already has a good system for those ready to go pro after high school.

They opened Pandora's Box with the NIL and it's going to get worse and worse. Going to be almost impossible catching any illegal activities going forward (if there are any). Going to be even more about the haves vs the have nots.
 
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An enlightening discussion in the first 15-20 minutes. I liked the point that Spencer Rattler would have been the $8 million dollar man a few years ago and look how that would have panned out. Also really liked the discussion about how football front offices will have more General Manager type roles to deal with NIL.
 
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An enlightening discussion in the first 15-20 minutes. I liked the point that Spencer Rattler would have been the $8 million dollar man a few years ago and look how that would have panned out. Also really liked the discussion about how football front offices will have more General Manager type roles to deal with NIL.
The only part of NIL that schools can deal with is helping players with their taxes and making sure companies aren’t taking advantage of players. Also the article states that they can earn up to 8 mil by the end of their JR season. I’m sure there’s requirements.
 
Holding out?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Woody Hayes and Bear Bryant are rolling over in their graves.
I mean, they have given UT and Jimbo Fischer a license to ruin the game, I have no doubt they will. IMO, the best thing that can happen at this point, let all of the unintended consequences happen in rapid succession. Then, maybe any party that needs to be at the table will head on over to the table and come up with something that works.
 
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What's the business return on investment justification of paying Mark Stoops $7 million?

Oh wait sorry, that would be $28 million, over 4 yrs (as that is the time period the HS kid can earn the $8m)?
After another 10 win season you are still whining?
 
It never created a problem when I got paid more than my colleagues due to high commissions. On the contrary, I was promoted to leadership and asked to train those who needed it. People who think this is going to be a problem, I would suggest, are projecting.

Your promotion was based on demonstrated performance. This is pure speculation so it's two different subjects.

Also that isn't what projecting means.

What's the business return on investment justification of paying Mark Stoops $7 million?

Oh wait sorry, that would be $28 million, over 4 yrs (as that is the time period the HS kid can earn the $8m)?

UK only pays 400k of that salary for stoops and cal. The rest is from private money, including guaranteed endorsements, advertising, etc.

So I think the school gets quite a massive return on its 400k investment, when you look at ticket sales, sec network rights, and cuts of bowl games.
 
UK only pays 400k of that salary for stoops and cal. The rest is from private money, including guaranteed endorsements, advertising, etc.

So I think the school gets quite a massive return on its 400k investment, when you look at ticket sales, sec network rights, and cuts of bowl games.
ok. University of Tennessee is gonna be paying $0.00 of this 5* QB 2023 recruits alleged NIL deal. Just like Stoops & Cal, the money comes from private doners willing to give it.

And if someone is willing to give this high school kid the money, guess what? that's fair market pay, that is free markets & capitalism at work. NCAA sat on their butts & let college sports get to this place, and I doubt anybody can put the genie back in the bottle.
 
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