Bet you're young and haven't been around much.If a trained monkey or a robot can do your job, a trained monkey or a robot will be doing your job. You get paid what you’re worth
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Bet you're young and haven't been around much.If a trained monkey or a robot can do your job, a trained monkey or a robot will be doing your job. You get paid what you’re worth
They will phase it in i.e. up by a couple of bucks every year or two till it gets to 15.2nd, a “minimum wage” was never supposed to a “living wage”. You start out on the low rung and work your way up.
Unlike Jeff, I agree with you on this one.
Raising it by the littles to keep up with inflation might be okay but to double it all at once will be a total DISASTER!
This is a fact I have heard many of my construction clients saying the same thing. We are having problems hiring experienced people as well in the professions.The higher paying jobs were available, everyone was hiring and the only way to poach employees was to pay more. The problem is most Americans are soft and dont want to work hard. I couldn't find enough employees starting out at $12 hr to work construction. I had guys making nearly $50 hr that were really good too, so plenty of upward mobility.
Waitresses don't make min wage...
I was thinking the same thing......When I was in business it was a devil to find decent help.......this was before cell phones got prevalent.......I would go crazy on a job with a bunch of people standing around looking at phones and expecting $15 an hour to do it........and don't expect them to work hard, show up on time or to care........The higher paying jobs were available, everyone was hiring and the only way to poach employees was to pay more. The problem is most Americans are soft and dont want to work hard. I couldn't find enough employees starting out at $12 hr to work construction. I had guys making nearly $50 hr that were really good too, so plenty of upward mobility.
When did this start?That’s a myth. Servers are guaranteed the standard federal minimum wage. If their tips don’t bring them to that wage, the employer has to make up the difference.
When did this start?
Boy did you get screwed... I was getting $1.25 and hour ‘73’ for same job/hay/set tobacco.... Hell, I even got a bologna sandwich and a Pepsi for lunch.... Living largeThe Dems are crazy........this started out on the west coast.....it has proven out there to hurt the minimum wage workers.....and the consumer........the value of ANY JOB is what ever you can get it done for........I put up straw/hay for 10-12 hrs a day as a 13yr old kid.......for 50 cents an hour........so that I guess was the minimum wage for me......I was willing to bust my butt for 50 cents an hour.......I could have held out for a dollar.........I wouldn't have made any money.........I was taught that if you didn't make enough at your job that maybe you needed to work a 2nd job........I've done that......I didn't cry that I wasn't making enough money........I just worked more hours.....Years ago I started working as a carpenter.....I had been around construction my whole life......I asked my first boss about a raise........he told me that when I learned a new skill I would get a raise......I didn't cry about he wasn't paying me enough.......I learned new skills......I ended up as general superintendant....but.......They didn't give it to me......I worked for it.....
If minimum wage doubles, you are going to pay more than a few extra cents to get that burger. Also, your point reinforces why regional/state mandates work better than a national mandate. What works best for NYC likely won't be the best thing for Pikeville.That being said, I don't mind paying an extra 10 or 20 cents for a hamburger if that will get more people working. And I take exception to those that say that $15 an hour is a living wage. Maybe in small town Kentucky, but definitely not on the coasts or any larger city in America
Thank you. Saved me the effort.This has already been dissected and a minimum wage is idiotic.
YEARS ago we knew this. It hurts people and the economy but because it initially sounds good and makes the idiot trotting the nonsense feel like a better person, it will always remain.
Total and complete idiocy.
If minimum wage doubles, you are going to pay more than a few extra cents to get that burger. Also, your point reinforces why regional/state mandates work better than a national mandate. What works best for NYC likely won't be the best thing for Pikeville.
I believe at the end of the day this has as much to do with forcing inflation as anything else.
This has already been dissected and a minimum wage is idiotic.
YEARS ago we knew this. It hurts people and the economy but because it initially sounds good and makes the idiot trotting the nonsense feel like a better person, it will always remain.
Total and complete idiocy.
Raise those wages to $15 and she definitely wouldn’t have the opportunity at the 12hr a week job....and what we’ve seen in other parts of the country is the 40 hour job quite possibly drops the hours to 30 or below (sometimes to cut the mandatory benefits).Understand, but what I am really more concerned about are not the lazy asses that won't work, even if you paid them $20 hour. I really would like to see the working poor get a hand. Take the single mother working two jobs, both at $12 hour. Full time in one at 40 hours a week, plus 12 hours a week in another.
That is 52 hours per week, $624 gross pay, working two jobs, $31,200 a year. You can't expect anyone to work more than that, especially with kids. That is not a great living anywhere, especially with kids to raise.
Disagree.Minimum wage should be indexed to inflation yearly. There's been no increase nationally since 2007 and it's not like inflation disappeared over the last 13 years. It probably doesn't need to be $15 but it should probably be in the $10-12 ballpark to this point.
The issue will be with small businesses that struggle to get by as it is. If you have 10 employees you have to give a 2 to 3% raise to each year, that further burdens your ability to survive.
I was slinging the hay/straw in the early sixties......a fun day was delivering feed to the horse barns at Louisville Downs Trotter track........It gave me impetus to figure out something better........Boy did you get screwed... I was getting $1.25 and hour ‘73’ for same job/hay/set tobacco.... Hell, I even got a bologna sandwich and a Pepsi for lunch.... Living large
But it's an added expense to the company that is either absorbed or passed on.It shouldn't. That 2 or 3% isn't a "raise" it's simply an adjustment to bring their current wage up to the real value as the previous year.
You’re correct. In capitalism, there will always be haves and have nots and about 85% of your success is based on the person looking in the mirror. The only alternative is socialism which has 1% haves, and about 99% have nots.Honestly it’s a very simple and basic concept: if everyone is making more money, no one is. If everyone is special, no one is. I can waste energy typing out why, but it’s a very easy concept to understand and completely invalidates raising minimum wage, but for some reason people can’t get it and I can’t comprehend why.
Disagree.
This isn't about the Walmarts of the world going to automation or not...of course they are. Cutting costs is a fiduciary responsibility to shareholders.
The issue will be with small businesses that struggle to get by as it is. If you have 10 employees you have to give a 2 to 3% raise to each year, that further burdens your ability to survive. It definitely hurts ability for potential expansion that would create additional jobs.
Guess what else happens? Businesses increase prices which eliminats the additional pay they received. Their new dollars go no further than the year before.
What then? Another minimum wage increase? I'm sure that will fix things.
Imo, of course.
But it's an added expense to the company that is either absorbed or passed on.
Honestly it’s a very simple and basic concept: if everyone is making more money, no one is. If everyone is special, no one is. I can waste energy typing out why, but it’s a very easy concept to understand and completely invalidates raising minimum wage, but for some reason people can’t get it and I can’t comprehend why.
You’re correct. In capitalism, there will always be haves and have nots and about 85% of your success is based on the person looking in the mirror. The only alternative is socialism which has 1% haves, and about 99% have nots.
min wage doesn't apply to everybody, it only applies about 2% of all workers.
Honestly it’s a very simple and basic concept: if everyone is making more money, no one is. If everyone is special, no one is. I can waste energy typing out why, but it’s a very easy concept to understand and completely invalidates raising minimum wage, but for some reason people can’t get it and I can’t comprehend why.
This has already been dissected and a minimum wage is idiotic.
YEARS ago we knew this. It hurts people and the economy but because it initially sounds good and makes the idiot trotting the nonsense feel like a better person, it will always remain.
Total and complete idiocy.
So I've heard for the last 60 years. "This will be a catastrophe, businesses will be shut down and these poor people will lose their jobs." And nothing ever happens after the increase.
$15 is a bit much though. Won't happen. But there will be an increase. Maybe $10-12.
That’s pretty interesting, thanks for that stat. What kind of jobs command minimum wage and who are the people that work them?