WOW !!! SUMRALL and tulane drills navy
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Sumrall is a no Brainer call. Send Stoops out and bring Sumrall in. Pay Stoops out.
Won’t happen and the timing will be off. He will be the, “what could have been” guy and we we still be Kentucky football.
Mitch too busy congratulating Stoops on a BIG win over Murray State.
This!! Smurall will be at a P4 Conference School next year IMO and it won't be UK
I'd argue if you fire a guy who has made 8 straight bowl games after one 4 and 8 or maybe 5 and 7 season if we somehow beat UL, it would make the next guy wonder what happens if he gets off to a slow start n year 1.
This is Kentucky, not a top program.
Having said all that, I'd love to have a new coach. It's gotten stale and we aren't gonna win the SEC or a national title no matter what so maybe a new blood guy lucks out and makes the playoff once in 10 years. Stoops won't do it IMO.
This is Kentucky, not a top program.
Having said all that, I'd love to have a new coach. It's gotten stale and we aren't gonna win the SEC or a national title no matter what so maybe a new blood guy lucks out and makes the playoff once in 10 years. Stoops won't do it IMO.
Sounds like the same argument and excuse you were making for cal come on get off the Titanic
This is really gonna piss me off if we miss on this dude. Anyone with half a brain can see he is gonna do big things when given a chance at a P5 gig
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Never made that excuse for calipari. Basketball actually has high expectations and I was ready for cal to go years ago. Barnie was too big a wimp to do it and he hated cal. But you think he is gonna fire the guy he gets along with in the sport with low expectations?
Give me a break. I'm all for it if he does it but don't see it. It's more likely Stoops leaves on his own like cal did IMO.
My bad, they are totally the same. We have shown time and time we can compete for sec and national titles in football just like in basketball.
I’ll throw out an answer. First, some posters immediately talk about “fans settling for mediocrity” anytime football history is mentioned. This answer includes history, but it also includes logic.
UK does not have ANY history of football success in the last 75 years, except for Stoops’ success. Think about that for a second. In paper, Stoops guided us to our “golden period.”
College football has been dominated by the same 10-15 programs for the last 40 years. Someone will sneak into the list for a year, or maybe two, but they don’t last. (Ex - TCU)
Our conference (and thus our schedule) consists of 4-5 teams every year that have won a championship game in the last 25 years.
Our conference makes up about 70-75% of those programs that have dominated football in the last 25 years. Obviously, they haven’t all dominated at the same time. (Exs- Florida and Auburn).
Those are historical facts regardless of one’s fandom. Now, I do believe the NIL/transfer portal IS going to open up doors for more teams to break through glass ceilings. Teams that break through those ceilings may not be able to maintain a level of being a top program for the very reasons that helped them break through them in the first place.
I do believe UK can be one of those programs!!! But, doing it in the ACC will be much, much easier. Avoiding OSU and a couple top B10 teams will make it easier than UK.
Let’s face reality. Turing around the Florida, Aub, Tx, or UT should be much easier than UK.
I applaud Stoops for his accomplishments at UK. I honestly don’t know if he’s the man for the future. My question is not his ability but the energy needed to do everything that needs to be done to make UK better. He looks tired to me.
Come on. We can’t apply our basketball entitlement to the football program. Be realistic
This is a HORRIBLE take.
No, it's reality. You and Jeff can fantasize about it but in a pro league with no salary cap where your team ranks 15th out of 16th in salary spent for mercenary players, it's a tough hill to climb.
Missing out on not hiring Sumrall this year will be like our modern day Schnellenberger. The one that got away. We'll be a year late and a dollar short, as usual. Sumrall will go to an Arkansas or other similar P4 school and we'll be scraping for scraps next year when Stoops "retires."
I probably shouldn't worry as I'm sure Mitch has his eye on the Akron Special Teams Coordinator or the Murray State bus driver.
I probably shouldn't worry as I'm sure Mitch has his eye on the Akron Special Teams Coordinator or the Murray State bus driver.
So you don’t think we can get anybody better for 9 million? And by better I’m talking winning 8-9 games a year, a consistent top 25 team, and maybe running an offense that isn’t from 1970. I’m saying we most definitely can.
I never said we couldn't. My original post is what barney is thinking. I couldn't care less if Stoops is fired. I'd rather have anyone. We aren't gonna win 8 to 9 games a year though. Sec is too tough.
I agree with you about Barney. But with the right coach we sure can win that many.
Never say never. Nobody thought Cal was gonna be gone this past basketball season either. (Not comparing Pope with Sumrall...just saying Stoops could end up gone as nobody thought Cal was gonna be)
We don’t have to pay a new guy what we’re paying Stoops now. We could get Sumrall for half that or around 5-5.5 million. He’s making under 3 million at Tulane. Pope isn’t making what we paid Cal.
Oh for sure! I’m just using 9 million because obviously we have every bit of that to give. Pay Sumrall around what Pope is making and I’m sure he’d bust the door down to come here.
And too, the guy who we are paying 9 million for isn’t doing any of those things.
Sumrall may take a new job and lead them to glory. He’s a UK guy, so I’ll always wish him well. It may work out that he’s our coach one day.
But … we can make a very long list of coaches that once were considered “no-miss, guaranteed all stars.”
Some of these “guaranteed all stars” were handed some of the most prestigious programs and still failed!
Look at the long list of coaches that have gone through just Tx, Fla, Auburn, and Tn in the last 10 years. Those 4 programs are just the tip of the iceberg that have brought in guaranteed winners.
But … we can make a very long list of coaches that once were considered “no-miss, guaranteed all stars.”
Some of these “guaranteed all stars” were handed some of the most prestigious programs and still failed!
Look at the long list of coaches that have gone through just Tx, Fla, Auburn, and Tn in the last 10 years. Those 4 programs are just the tip of the iceberg that have brought in guaranteed winners.
I’ve said it here before and I will say it again….its WIDELY known from the best coaches in the SEC that Sumrall is the best big thing to hit the league if/when it happens.
He is 32-6 and has made the conference title game all three years as a head coach. Tulane has given up 9 points in last three games.
He is 32-6 and has made the conference title game all three years as a head coach. Tulane has given up 9 points in last three games.
None of them hired a G5 Coach who had won 85 percent of his games.
And Sumrall checks a lot of boxes beyond simply being a winner.
He is a UK Alum., who, should he catch fire at UK, would be less likely to be hired away.
Sumrall can't fail any worse than Stoops is failing right now.
What are you saying? Keep the status quo rather than TRYING to improve the program with an experienced D1 WINNING head coach?
Sumrall is a WINNER.
Stoops is a LOSING HC.
I hear you but that statement is vague. There are other details being left out. For example, Lane Kiffin at TN blew up because he got them in trouble, it wasn’t about wins and losses just yet. Auburn had a coach who won a title then just fell on his face but at least left them with a national championship.
There’s also another side to that. Two of those schools have been national contenders over the past three years or so and will continue to be for the foreseeable future. It took a while but they both got the right fits. And you can guarantee Florida and Auburn will keep the door swinging until they find their right guys too.
Moral of the story is never settle for less than you deserve.
This is the logic for losers so you except mediocrity and make excuses for it and you wonder why Kentucky for 75 years has been the celler dwellers in the sec you cal lovers have moved over from the basketball board to this board preaching the same crap
Your logic is for losers and conform to the norm and mediocrity now get back to your tailgate party and let the real fans who wants a winner on the field
I will take a clown over a person who prides himself with his finger up his nose digging for boogers " "captain boogers " calling me a clown
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No shade on Sumrall at all . . .
But I bet under 52 in that game and so watched almost all of it and frankly was not all that impressed with Tulane. Navy has no speed on either side of the ball and no pass rush (as usual) plus had to play their backup QB most of the game, who was not good, to say the least. Yet it was only 14-0 midway through the 3rd quarter. Tulane had a hard time getting their running game going although predictably they could pass at will since the QB had all day to find a receiver.
Anyway, that was my take on Tulane, first time I have seen them.
But I bet under 52 in that game and so watched almost all of it and frankly was not all that impressed with Tulane. Navy has no speed on either side of the ball and no pass rush (as usual) plus had to play their backup QB most of the game, who was not good, to say the least. Yet it was only 14-0 midway through the 3rd quarter. Tulane had a hard time getting their running game going although predictably they could pass at will since the QB had all day to find a receiver.
Anyway, that was my take on Tulane, first time I have seen them.
Herman came from Houston, Harslin came from Boise State, Jones came from Cinn. Napier came from another small school. Teams were getting into bidding wars to land some of these coaches.
I wish Sumrall the absolute best, and will be happy if he ends up at UK. My point is there is a long list of coaches that seem to be no-miss until they’re handed the reigns of a P5 program.
Let me see 32 -6 since coaching 7 and 0 conf aac at tulane his first year and 32 and 4 at Troy no not impressed at all man and we wonder why we are in the celler
You do realize Stoops has exceeded EVERY coach that preceded him? I’m okay with whatever Stoops decides to do. (It will 100% be his decision this year for multiple reasons.) He’s earned the right to stay another year and try to fix it. I also agree that he looks tired, and he’ll have to find a renewed energy and optimism if he stays.
My original point is that fans are illogical and sticking their head in the sand if they think that hiring a new coach is the only/best way to fix a program. Do 5 mins of research and look up the hit/success rate of hiring a new coach in the SEC. On avg, 1 out of every 3 hires is a success AT schools with rich football history. When you factor in MissSt, Vandy, Arkansas, OleMiss, SC, and some others, then it drops down below 1 out of 3.
Here’s where most everyone agrees. We cannot and should not stay where we are. 6-7 wins should be be FLOOR. However, Stoops is the only coach that has been able to raise that floor for any length of time. He’s also shown he can get us to 10 wins, and that puts us knocking on the 12 team CFP.
Big Question - Can he get us back to where he once had us? I don’t pretend to know that answer. What I do know is that a new coach is not as guaranteed as people want to make it out to be. History reveals this to be true.
At some point, changes do have to be made. Both of those statements can be true.
I said not impressed with Tulane based on the one time I saw them play. You can disagree if you like. I haven't seen them before yesterday.
I'd argue if you are paying a guy top 10 money and getting a (barely) top 30-40 result each year, it's a poor investment.
Stoops should either take a pay cut or move on to another program as he is underperforming his pay.
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