Really, the bowl games, when top players sat out? Good grief. I know his record and I've watched UK football for nearly 50 years. Stoops is doing about as good as you can here. Someone doing better would almost certainly move on to an elite program.
Word on the street florida st wants stoops
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FSU isn’t going to pay Norvell’s buyout over the next 5-10 plus CMS’ 9 million a year.
In all these threads talking about potential scenarios for CMS people seem to be forgetting the simple fact he is literally one of the most expensive coaches in CFB. Not a lot of teams can afford him, especially in addition to paying another coach multi tens of millions not to coach. The ones that can afford him are good with their guy.
In all these threads talking about potential scenarios for CMS people seem to be forgetting the simple fact he is literally one of the most expensive coaches in CFB. Not a lot of teams can afford him, especially in addition to paying another coach multi tens of millions not to coach. The ones that can afford him are good with their guy.
Elite programs usually don’t hire coaches very often. If a coach starts going very well here he can make a big name for himself and be playing in the SEC while doing it. Are u related to Stoops? Never have seen so many fans wanting to hang onto a less than mediocre coach who doesn’t want to be here.
We did it with basketball and what I saw the other night no doubt change is awesome
I’m a huge Stoops fan … but also acknowledge the program has platued, or even trending in the wrong direction. History reveals that Stoops has accomplished what many/most football experts thought was impossible, while also declining the last couple of seasons. Both facts can be correct.
The biggest question is what is best for UK football moving ahead. This topic probably deserves its own post, but I’ll throw out a couple thoughts. First, people are naturally against the incumbent in many arenas and coaches are no different. (Research anti incumbency bias) Claiborne, Curry, and Brooks were excellent football minds who could not consistently accomplish what Stoops has accomplished at UK. (Throw the multitude of excuses in the garbage. UK will always have several disadvantages. It ultimately comes down to wins/losses.) Fans who think top young coaches will line up for the UK job and automatically improve UK football are wearing blue tinted glasses and are ignoring both HISTORY and PRESENT DAY reality.
Second - Fla, UT, SC, Aub, etc … have much richer football history and several other recruiting advantages over UK. How has the coaching carousel worked for them??? Those jobs are more desirable than UK. Fla is getting ready to fire their 3rd coach in 10 years. UT went through Dooley, Jones and Pruitt in less than 10 years. Auburn was paying 3 head coaches and are close to adding a 4th one to the list while they still flounder around. Bottom line - hiring a new coach is a role of the dice with less than 25% of them lasting more than 3 years! And, this is at programs who have some history of winning!
I ignore the “fire Stoops” posts and realize most of them are emotional posts with no real logical thoughts about the program.
Stoops has proven he has a plan for recruiting that is working. Again, he has improved the program in ways that many experts did not think was possible. He’s definitely going to get another year unless he personally walks away. He’s earned the right for another year. However, the program is trending in the wrong direction. UK MUST improve and win more games. I don’t know the magic number of wins next year, but I know the losses can’t look as bad as the games against SC, Vandy, and Fla. It’s one thing to compete and lose against likely playoff teams. However, we can’t look as inept as we have in some of our bad losses.
I’m pro-Stoops, but he’s got to right the ship.
How many more years does the Titanic have to keep sinking before you throw a lifeline stoops does not want to be here should have been fired last year with the innuendo A&M fiasco
I think one year is max. (Must be improvement next year.)
Regarding TxAm, successful coaches get calls about new jobs. TxAM provides many more opportunities than UK offers. We’re not used to top programs approaching our coaches. He would have been foolish not to have conversations with them. I have no problem with how that went down.
Agreed. Don't forget Calipari spent the last 5 years of his tenure chasing/begging UCLA and Texas not to mention about every pro job on the planet.
You have to also take into account of the easy OOC that UK has now compared to what they had in the past... 3 easy wins a year is a good start for any coach to have... UK never played that many easy games in the past, yes they had one or two maybe... UK's OOC games used to be Indiana, Penn St, and so on...
That is with the coach's UK had back then... Most only played 6 or 7 SEC games... Easy to build up a record of wins like that don't you think...
I know you will come back with something, so let me tell you I have heard it all... I like Stoops and thank him for what he has done for UKFB, but I jnow he has hit his stride and reached a peak of what he is capable of doing here...
Time to move on and he knew it last year when he flirted with T A&M...I want to win at least 9-10 regular season games... 5-or 6 or 6-6 or 7-5 is not enough and never has been to me... I hope he changes or leaves which ever it may be I will support it...
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I think Cal could have had the UCLA job if he wanted it. Instead, he used it to leverage a new contract at UK.
A wise coach once said, “It’s better to leave before they want you to leave than when they do want you to leave.” Cal would be idolized here if he took the UCLA job. Likewise, imagine how many people complaining about Stoops would be singing his praises today if he would have taken another job before this year! We’ll have to see how his tenure ends. I hope (for him and for UK football) that he gets the program back on solid ground, then makes a transition. However, few coaches get to leave the way they want to leave.
I’ve got to respectfully disagree with you. Was playing Penn St the exception or the norm? (I think that was the 70’s.) We played 3 mid majors and Indiana for many, many years. Indiana eventually got replaced by UL.
Almost every SEC school has an easy OOC schedule. A few schools have recently started adding a better game in their OOC schedule.
Indiana is sitting at 7-0 in the Big 10. Argue about their strength of schedule all you want, but that’s pretty impressive for a program historically worse than even us. So yeah, with the right attitude and coaching, it can be done. Will IU win the Natty, likely not, but as of today they are in the playoff discussion. Something we could have been in despite the USC loss had we taken care of business against Vandy and Florida who on paper, we should have beaten. There are coaches out there who wouldn’t have lost those games with this roster.
Ha, nope, just a realist who doesn't care if anyone agrees with me. By elite I mean traditional top 20 teams and there are several every year replacing coaches.
Quite true. My question is whether or not they could build our roster on their own here.
Just prolonging the misery stoops can't coach and he can't motivate teams under achieve every year and the ocs run like hell to get out of here I guess you want to continue being the doormat of the sec I know we can do better and fans should demand it stoops has run his course
Nobody wants stoops that should tell you something why would you with his style of play I'd rather sit out on the front porch and watch my neighbor rake his yard than watch stoops grind style football stoops has got to go vandyvdid me in and florida was the icing on the cakec no going back for me and if auburn doesn't turn the ball over tomorrow no way we beat them we can't score and when the field gets shorter we hit a wall everytime
We usually agree on things but not on this. I simply don't think what you're expecting is possible unless we're allowed to play an IU type schedule every year. Great for IU, they keep beating the dead.
Our schedule this year was tough regardless of coach.
I'm still curious about this. With all the disagreement I haven't really seen anyone address my point.
A number of our fans - a rather big number - do not understand History. Or reading, riting or rithmatic for that matter.
Are you referencing Stoll field.? I think Commonwealth held around 58,000 when it opened in '73. I believe expansion under C.M. had it to 68,000. Capacity has actually dropped since Stoops has been here.
If it looks like poop and smells like poop then it's poop we all understand that narrative
“Fire the coach” is the easiest and laziest response to lob onto a sports blog.
I’d like to hear what you would do after firing him. Please include the history of how new coaches have fared in the SEC at other schools. Also, please include your plan for raising NIL, enlisting new donors, and replacing an entire recruiting class along with outbound transfers. I’ll await for your logical and realistic steps after you fire Stoops.
I’ve said repeatedly that Stoops must get the program back on solid ground next year or he’ll be pushed off in the sunset with a buyout.
But, I’d like to hear your logical and realistic next steps after you’d fire Stoops.
Seeing I did not directly, nor indirectly, mention you I guess you feel like you are one of the ones I spoke of. What's the old saying - throw a rock into a pack of dogs and the one that yelps is the one hit. I'm sorry my rock hit you. Apologies
Different era. I thought I made that clear. You are comparing apples to oranges. We didn't have the 12th cupcake game until like 2005 or 2006. So most of Stoops 7 and 5 seasons are the old 6 and 5. The 9 and 3 would be 8 and 3 (those seasons are done with NIL and expanded sec anyways IMO).
He is the 2nd best coach we have had other than bear so not trying to come off harsh. I just think he's ran his course. It's a credit to him the next guy is set up to make the bowl. Bowls aren't really relevant anymore anyways but I know some of you get excited for them. I'm all about competing for the playoff now.
Maybe not but comparing him to coaches that haven’t had adequate resources for decades is t really valid either.
This is always my perspective although I would argue Brooks is at least as good or better than stoops. I mean Brooks came in under probation when that actually was pretty punitive and had his first three classes of recruits of 16, 18, 22. So he went 8-5 in 07 with that first class as seniors with no depth, a bunch of 2 star guys and won 3 games out of 6 vs ranked opponents and played 8 bowl teams. With no resources to recruit and under probation. It wasn’t an elite recruiting staff but they could coach and they had very little school investment which is why he hung it up when he did. The East when Brooks coached also had almost 15 point higher win % than it did when stoops came in and the west was the strong division.
So you think no p5 programs would want him? You're right, that is hilarious.Deserve to lose him to another program what program
UK will never get a dog crap schedule n the sec to the level of IUs this season through 7 games.
At UK Mark Stoops is 14-28 against top 25 teams.
Joker was 1-12
Brooks was 2-25
Morris was 1-7
Mumme was 1-20
Curry was 1-20
Claiborne was 2-22
So the last 6 coaches at UK had a grand total of 10 wins against ranked teams.
Mark Stoops has 14 right now.
If we had gotten it, we might be 4-3 instead of 3-4. And we wouldn't be averaging a 35 point margin in wins, including a Nebraska game.
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Sometimes coaches grow stale and a change of scenery can benefit both parties. Witness Cal after 2015.
He was doing well for when when we had 2 star players. Now he's here over a decade with better talent and getting the same results and we're having 10 penalties before half and he plays to kick field goals.
If Rich Brooks had this talent and not scholarship limitations we wouldn't be praying for 6 wins
You are citing all of those coaches but I only commented about Brooks so let’s focus on him. If you told me to pick either he or stoops with both being in equal situations….facilities good or bad, resources more or less, scholarship restrictions/no restrictions, toughness of schedule in the East and such I’m taking Brooks. I can’t imagine stoops starting off building his teams with only 56 scholarships for his first 3 recruiting classes.
