Why Is UK Possibly Dead Last in Collective Money in SEC For Football Recruits?

[shadowman4]

Just saw where Auburn has 13 million dollars in collective money for football recruits and same article on KSR said UK’s collective money was far, far less than other SEC schools.
I for one am done with the Miss Goodie Two Shoes of our AD Barnhart. Yes, he has built up the non revenue sports but at what price. We are one of 4 SEC among the 14 who does not allow alcohol for all fans while allowing it in the suites. What a double standard.
UK’s(Barnhart). stance on providing critical NIL money is putting UK far behind other SEC football schools whose tradition already surpassed UK’s and put us at a recruiting disadvantage. Times change and UK has to change with the times or be left behind. Our current football recruiting class only ranks in the mid forties nationally while others such as UT, Georgia, Bama and others are top 10. I say it’s time to get rid of Mitch and bring in a visionary. Football revenues are the lifeline of all SEC schools and we cannot afford to have a terrible NIL program for our recruiting needs and a school that won’t sell alcohol to the general fans missing out on another 2 million dollars per year.

 

[HerrosHeroes]

B ball school

 

[3632]

Flat out there just isn’t the money available here. I know some people like to come on here and go ‘we got as much money as anybody…’ but we don’t. The school gets its sec share but our contributions just can’t ever be at the level of the upper tier sec schools.

 

[YardCat]

We need the Horse Industry to help out or Toyota or maybe a Bourbon Company.

 

[bigjonaoc]

We need the Horse Industry to help out or Toyota or maybe a Bourbon Company.

Maybe I am wrong, but I dont think a Japanese owned , auto, super company gives a rats ass about our college football team. Id agree on the plethora of bourbon companies ponying up some money though.

 

[AE82]

Flat out there just isn’t the money available here. I know some people like to come on here and go ‘we got as much money as anybody…’ but we don’t. The school gets its sec share but our contributions just can’t ever be at the level of the upper tier sec schools.

Do you have any freaking clue how much wealth is in this state? Just from old coal money? Bourbon Money? Thoroughbred industry? If we had a half competent AD, we could be doing quite well.

 

[cat_in_the_hat]

Maybe I am wrong, but I dont think a Japanese owned , auto, super company gives a rats ass about our college football team. Id agree on the plethora of bourbon companies ponying up some money though.

I think a lot of the bourbon companies are now owned by conglomerates.

 

[cat_in_the_hat]

Do you have any freaking clue how much wealth is in this state? Just from old coal money? Bourbon Money? Thoroughbred industry? If we had a half competent AD, we could be doing quite well.

This state is relatively poor by most any metric. That doesn't mean there aren't wealthy people in the state, it just means we don't have the resources many other states do. I have said from day one, NIL may end up being a problem for UK football. I hope it isn't but small market teams generally don't do well where money is the primary driver on how you get quality players.

 

[jacobbleedsblue]

I think a lot of the bourbon companies are now owned by conglomerates.

A good but of the money the conglomerates used to purchase the bourbon companies is likely still in the state, reinvested into horse farms or the like.

 

[UKWildcats1987]

I agree with the OP. Not enough NIL and a boring style of play isn't going to get us the best recuits.

 

[3632]

Do you have any freaking clue how much wealth is in this state? Just from old coal money? Bourbon Money? Thoroughbred industry? If we had a half competent AD, we could be doing quite well.

Yep. Other states have stuff as well. People act like coal money is the only thing that exists out there. But it has to overcome things like population deficits, etc that Ky faces vs. other places. Alabama is the closest population base to us and it's 500k more people. ky has old industry type stuff but very little new industry. actually an edit, arkansas is less populated but also has no other university institution to share in some of the contributions with. Louisiana is also low, more than ky, but there is no other p5 school and it has the full support of its metropolitan areas not split.

 

[AE82]

This state is relatively poor by most any metric. That doesn't mean there aren't wealthy people in the state, it just means we don't have the resources many other states do. I have said from day one, NIL may end up being a problem for UK football. I hope it isn't but small market teams generally don't do well where money is the primary driver on how you get quality players.

AL, MS, OK, AR, LA are in the top 10 poorest states in America. SC, TN, GA and TX are 11, 12, 13 and 14. Trust me, being in a poor state doesn't mean shit. All of those states generally have great FB programs and are all poised to be fine with NIL. KY and UK can be too, with the right AD.

 

[Ed323232]

Barnhart wants money to go to the school and athletic department, not the players. Overall he has been a good AD. But if he can’t function in the new NIL works he needs to retire.

 

[AE82]

Yep. Other states have stuff as well. People act like coal money is the only thing that exists out there. But it has to overcome things like population deficits, etc that Ky faces vs. other places. Alabama is the closest population base to us and it's 500k more people. ky has old industry type stuff but very little new industry. actually an edit, arkansas is less populated but also has no other university institution to share in some of the contributions with.

MS has a smaller population and appears fine. As does OK, AR, UT and OR. Hell, LA only has 100,000 more and they seem in good shape, too! So I don't buy that argument. If population was the concern, TX, CA, FL and NY would be killing it. Of them, only TX is doing much and they have always been a football powerhouse.

 

[Kattopper]

Our lack of initiative in NIL funding will be just like our recruiting room during the Brooks era. People will laugh at us and realize we don’t take it serious here.Recruits are going to look at $ first- “how much can I make if I come there?”will be the question they ask. I don’t like it but that the way it is now. Either get on board with it or the progress we have made will be wiped out in 2 seasons. You better believe our roster is gonna get poached soon as well.

 

[3632]

MS has a smaller population and appears fine. As does OK, AR, UT and OR. Hell, LA only has 100,000 more and they seem in good shape, too! So I don't buy that argument. If population was the concern, TX, CA, FL and NY would be killing it. Of them, only TX is doing much and they have always been a football powerhouse.

MS also has a much larger natural recruiting base. We are on the lower tier of financial end and in football might have 5 P5 players a year in state, much less sec players. The worst thing about ut getting better is that they will now actually have an impact in nashville recruiting, which they haven't had in the last decade. People that say kY hs football is getting better are lost. we have 4+m people and might have 12-15 D1 FB players a year. TN only has 2m people more but will have somewhere around 50 d1 players and nashville is becoming a recruiting destination for schools now because kids from there will travel. UT largely hasn't benefitted from the growth there but with their recent success and the plan to play one game a year in titan stadium to build the brand in that area, expect them to start pulling. Guys from that area have been going to nd, ohio st, michigan, oklahoma, etc....but expect UT to start getting some of those top tier guys.

 

[AE82]

MS also has a much larger natural recruiting base. We are on the lower tier of financial end and in football might have 5 P5 players a year in state, much less sec players.

You mean like we deal with in basketball as well? Poaching talent from other states isn't hard. How the hell do these other teams do it? Cal has no issue doing it. If you offer something better than they can get there, they will come here! We just don't have an AD who is willing to endorse that.

 

[Ed323232]

MS also has a much larger natural recruiting base. We are on the lower tier of financial end and in football might have 5 P5 players a year in state, much less sec players. The worst thing about ut getting better is that they will now actually have an impact in nashville recruiting, which they haven't had in the last decade. People that say kY hs football is getting better are lost. we have 4+m people and might have 12-15 D1 FB players a year. TN only has 2m people more but will have somewhere around 50 d1 players and nashville is becoming a recruiting destination for schools now because kids from there will travel. UT largely hasn't benefitted from the growth there but with their recent success and the plan to play one game a year in titan stadium to build the brand in that area, expect them to start pulling.

Mississippi has a lot of junior colleges too. Good place to recruit from.

 

[3632]

You mean like we deal with in basketball as well? Poaching talent from other states isn't hard. How the hell do these other teams do it? Cal has no issue doing it. If you offer something better than they can get there, they will come here! We just don't have an AD who is willing to endorse that.

Basketball a totally different animal when you only get 3-5 players a year. Not that i'm in any way making points for the benefit of mitch.

 

[AE82]

Basketball a totally different animal when you only get 3-5 players a year. Not that i'm in any way making points for the benefit of mitch.

So, of their 99 roster spots, OLE miss has 31 from MS. On the contrary Ms St has 55 and they suck. UK has 35 plus another 9 from Cincy. So not buying that argument either.

 

[3632]

So, of their 99 roster spots, OLE miss has 31 from MS. UK has 35 plus another 9 from Cincy. So not buying that argument either.

Stoops has been great about making ohio home turf but we don't get tier 1 players from there.

 

[3632]

MS has a smaller population and appears fine. As does OK, AR, UT and OR. Hell, LA only has 100,000 more and they seem in good shape, too! So I don't buy that argument. If population was the concern, TX, CA, FL and NY would be killing it. Of them, only TX is doing much and they have always been a football powerhouse.

Its not solely population. of those you mention only OK has 2 p5 schools that fight for some $. Even in the iteration it's in, UL pulls money from UK. If they were d2 or something we would be getting more money out of our lone metro area. UT has byu and utah but they don't compete in the sec either.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Do you have any freaking clue how much wealth is in this state? Just from old coal money? Bourbon Money? Thoroughbred industry? If we had a half competent AD, we could be doing quite well.

Actually, you don't know what you're babbling about.

 

[catben]

Mitch has allowed UofL to get the jump on UK by not pressuring UPS, Jim Beam, YUM and even Churchill Downs to sponsor the state’s FLAGSHIP university over its Little Brother.

This should make ALL UK coaches and fans INFURIATED!!!

 

[AE82]

Its not solely population. of those you mention only OK has 2 p5 schools that fight for some $. Even in the iteration it's in, UL pulls money from UK. If they were d2 or something we would be getting more money out of our lone metro area. UT has byu and utah but they don't compete in the sec either.

MS has Ole Miss and State. AL has Bama and Auburn. AR has Ark, Ark State, and central Arkansas. Oregon also has Oregon St and Portland that contend with OR. Utah has Utah St, Utah Valley and Weber st that compete with Utah for funding. We aren't any more hindered than these other states who are all able to compete. We just have fans who would rather blame anything else than the AD and HC.

The only issue you are correct about it strong HS talent in KY. But other schools also deal with the same and overcome it. We could too!

 

[AE82]

Actually, you don't know what you're babbling about.

Oh, okay. If you say so!

 

[cat_in_the_hat]

A good but of the money the conglomerates used to purchase the bourbon companies is likely still in the state, reinvested into horse farms or the like.

I'm not following you. I'm saying local people don't own many of those companies anymore. For example, Wild Turkey is owned by an Italian company. The same company just bought another distillery in the state. That company couldn't care less about UK sports.

 

[EliteBlue]

Barnhart wants money to go to the school and athletic department, not the players. Overall he has been a good AD. But if he can’t function in the new NIL works he needs to retire.

This is the real answer.

We don’t have the ability currently to donate directly to a nil fund for 1 program. It has to go to the entire athletic department so the rifle team and women’s debate team gets a piece

 

[Girthang]

Just saw where Auburn has 13 million dollars in collective money for football recruits and same article on KSR said UK’s collective money was far, far less than other SEC schools.
I for one am done with the Miss Goodie Two Shoes of our AD Barnhart. Yes, he has built up the non revenue sports but at what price. We are one of 4 SEC among the 14 who does not allow alcohol for all fans while allowing it in the suites. What a double standard.
UK’s(Barnhart). stance on providing critical NIL money is putting UK far behind other SEC football schools whose tradition already surpassed UK’s and put us at a recruiting disadvantage. Times change and UK has to change with the times or be left behind. Our current football recruiting class only ranks in the mid forties nationally while others such as UT, Georgia, Bama and others are top 10. I say it’s time to get rid of Mitch and bring in a visionary. Football revenues are the lifeline of all SEC schools and we cannot afford to have a terrible NIL program for our recruiting needs and a school that won’t sell alcohol to the general fans missing out on another 2 million dollars per year.

Small market, lower avg income, and lower football brand loyalty among fanbase than other SEC schools.

 

[AE82]

After reading this, I really hope none of you take offense the next time someone calls out UK for being a basketball school. Hell, that should be the next name of the football stadium. BASKETBALL SCHOOL FIELD has a nice ring to it.

 

[CaptainBoogerBuns]

B ball school

No. If NIL collectives aren’t there to pour into football, they won’t be pouring into basketball either.
The state is lacking in gajillionaires.

 

[CaptainBoogerBuns]

After reading this, I really hope none of you take offense the next time someone calls out UK for being a basketball school. Hell, that should be the next name of the football stadium. BASKETBALL SCHOOL FIELD has a nice ring to it.

It’s rife w basketball history, but $$ needs to pour into the football arms race.

 

[cat_in_the_hat]

AL, MS, OK, AR, LA are in the top 10 poorest states in America. SC, TN, GA and TX are 11, 12, 13 and 14. Trust me, being in a poor state doesn't mean shit. All of those states generally have great FB programs and are all poised to be fine with NIL. KY and UK can be too, with the right AD.

How do you know they are all poised to be fine with NIL? I think several programs in some of those states will have the same problems we will have. If you look at the bourbon industry. much of that is owned by large corporations now. Many of those are foreign corporations. I think several horse farms are also owned by people from other countries and states. None of those people have a vested interest in UK sports. There are people in this state with resources who do care about UK sports, but is it enough to be competitive in both basketball and football? Time will tell. You are making assumptions about things you don't really know anything about. You read something on KSR and jump to conclusions without knowing if what you read in the first place is accurate much less if what you are assuming is accurate.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

MS has a smaller population and appears fine. As does OK, AR, UT and OR. Hell, LA only has 100,000 more and they seem in good shape, too! So I don't buy that argument. If population was the concern, TX, CA, FL and NY would be killing it. Of them, only TX is doing much and they have always been a football powerhouse.

You have very simplistic views.

 

[Blueaz]

I'm not following you. I'm saying local people don't own many of those companies anymore. For example, Wild Turkey is owned by an Italian company. The same company just bought another distillery in the state. That company couldn't care less about UK sports.

they care if hiring Levis brings in more drinkers

 

[AE82]

You have very simplistic views.

Oh, okay!

How do you know they are all poised to be fine with NIL? I think several programs in some of those states will have the same problems we will have. If you look at the bourbon industry. much of that is owned by large corporations now. Many of those are foreign corporations. I think several horse farms are also owned by people from other countries and states. None of those people have a vested interest in UK sports. There are people in this state with resources who do care about UK sports, but is it enough to be competitive in both basketball and football? Time will tell. You are making assumptions about things you don't really know anything about. You read something on KSR and jump to conclusions without knowing if what you read in the first place is accurate much less if what you are assuming is accurate.

They seem to he doing well currently. Several of them have seen an uptick in recruiting since NIL. Kind of like us and basketball recruiting. Who do you think will have issues and what have you seen to far that suggest this?

They don't have to be from here nor have anything more than a financial interest in their business. Bourbon that is owned by corporations or international companies are still made and sold here, primarily in this area. Therefore, they advertise in this area. Same with horse farms, particularly the breeding/sales farms. Not sure why they wouldn't want to have some of the more popular local athletes that people recognize. Seems pretty logical.

What am I making assumptions about?

Your second sentence starts with "I think" but I am the one making assumptions?

Lol, what did I allegedly pick up from KSR?

 

[SkyPrince1]

Do you have any freaking clue how much wealth is in this state? Just from old coal money? Bourbon Money? Thoroughbred industry? If we had a half competent AD, we could be doing quite well.

The question is does any of that "old money" you speak of really give a f**k about UK football.
I think you underestimate fan apathy and the fact that UK is 100% a basketball school and booster money will always take care of them first.
Collectives are in the same boat as the average UK fan is not willing to give anything to NIL.
Theres already been a thread about how much would you give to NIL and over half said zilch and thats from fans who care enough to be on.message boards.
Love of the Big Blue originates from our basketball tradition and spills over to football.
Football is entertainment in the Bluegrass not a way of life.

 

[cat_in_the_hat]

they care if hiring Levis brings in more drinkers

I though we were talking about collectives. They are a different animal. If we are talking about advertising, isn't alcohol and tobacco restricted? I may have heard that wrong, but I thought it was.

 

[cat_in_the_hat]

Oh, okay!



They seem to he doing well currently. Several of them have seen an uptick in recruiting since NIL. Kind of like us and basketball recruiting. Who do you think will have issues and what have you seen to far that suggest this?

They don't have to be from here nor have anything more than a financial interest in their business. Bourbon that is owned by corporations or international companies are still made and sold here, primarily in this area. Therefore, they advertise in this area. Same with horse farms, particularly the breeding/sales farms. Not sure why they wouldn't want to have some of the more popular local athletes that people recognize. Seems pretty logical.

What am I making assumptions about?

Your second sentence starts with "I think" but I am the one making assumptions?

Lol, what did I allegedly pick up from KSR?

First, I thought the discussion was about collectives, not advertising for businesses. Collectives are a different animal. None of those foreign companies would be interested in donating to a collective.

As far as advertising goes, isn't there restrictions in Kentucky about advertising for alcohol, tobacco, and gambling products? Maybe I am remembering that wrong, but I thought I read that somewhere.

Your making assumptions about the relative health of collectives by school. Where are you getting that information from?

 

[UKWildcats1987]

You mean like we deal with in basketball as well? Poaching talent from other states isn't hard. How the hell do these other teams do it? Cal has no issue doing it. If you offer something better than they can get there, they will come here! We just don't have an AD who is willing to endorse that.

Basketball has the brand and history and culture to attract higher end prospects. Hell, even calipari took a dip in recruiting for like 5 years until he got better assistants again. And much to the chagrin of our fanbase, players want to come to UK to get to the NBA and calipari has the track record to do that.

As someone else pointed out, a lot easier with 3 to 5 players each year as well. We can pour more NIL into each player. There are also more great recruits to spread around as there are only a few mega basketball schools. In football and the SEC there are easily 7 to 9 programs that have a better offer than uk can make on overall perk package.