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Who Makes an All-Calipari Team? UMASS, Memphis, and UK.

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Thought it would be interesting to see the 10 players you would choose from Cal's tenures at UMASS, Memphis and Kentucky. 5 starters and 5 reserves on the bench. This is strictly based on college performance and not NBA success. Who ya got?

Starters
C - Marcus Camby (UMASS)
PF- Anthony Davis (Kentucky)
SF- Chris Douglas-Roberts (Memphis)
SG- Jim McCoy (UMASS)
PG- Derrick Rose (Memphis)

Bench
C - Demarcus Cousins (Kentucky)
PF- Lou Roe (UMASS) or Joey Dorsey (Memphis)
SF- Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (Kentucky)
SG- Doron Lamb (Kentucky)
PG- John Wall (Kentucky)
 
Wall was far better than Rose as a Freshman. Wall scored more, assisted more, rebounded more and had far more "sharing" to do on the roster. Wall is easily on Calipari's first team. Rose was good, but he gets WAY too much love as a Freshman because he got to the NCAA Title Game. I'd put Brandon Knight as a better Freshman than Derrick Rose as well, but will start him at SG here.

PG John Wall
SG Brandon Knight
SF Michael Gilchrist
PF Anthony Davis
C Marcus Camby

Sorry, nobody at Memphis would make Calipari's first team and I honestly believe he would agree with this.
 
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^ Camby's not keeping Cuz off the first team, either.

I'd go w/ camby from umass, rose and maybe douglas-roberts (since he's not recruited as many 3's as the other spots) from memphis, then the rest wildcats.

1st
5=Cousins
4=AD
3=MKG
2-Knight
1-JW

2nd
5=KAT
4=Camby
3=D-R
2=Bledsoe
1-Rose
 
nickhorvathsuxazz said:
^ Camby's not keeping Cuz off the first team, either.

I'd go w/ camby from umass, rose and maybe douglas-roberts (since he's not recruited as many 3's as the other spots) from memphis, then the rest wildcats.

1st
5=Cousins
4=AD
3=MKG
2-Knight
1-JW

2nd
5=KAT
4=Camby
3=D-R
2=Bledsoe
1-Rose
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I have to agree with you. Camby was awesome, but offensively, Cousins was worlds better. Davis will obviously be there so I'll take offense over Cambys defense.
 
Based off position

MKG and AD has to be on the first team.

Rose / Wall battle for PG spot.

Camby would be ahead of Cousins based off overall collegiate career. (I think) As great Cousins were, he also struggled to stay on the court.

Don't know about others to be honest. I didn't keep up with Calipari or his team's other than UK. but AD and MKG being the two critical piece on a championship teams says a lot about these two.
 
MWes11 said:
Thought it would be interesting to see the 10 players you would choose from Cal's tenures at UMASS, Memphis and Kentucky. 5 starters and 5 reserves on the bench. This is strictly based on college performance and not NBA success. Who ya got?

Starters
C - Marcus Camby (UMASS)
PF- Anthony Davis (Kentucky)
SF- Chris Douglas-Roberts (Memphis)
SG- Jim McCoy (UMASS)
PG- Derrick Rose (Memphis)

Bench
C - Demarcus Cousins (Kentucky)
PF- Lou Roe (UMASS) or Joey Dorsey (Memphis)
SF- Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (Kentucky)
SG- Doron Lamb (Kentucky)
PG- John Wall (Kentucky)
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My 5 best players would be.
Anthony Davis
Demarcus Cousins
Marcus Camby
John Wall
Derrick Rose
Obviously there would be no shooters in that 5 among other things.

Position I'd say
PG Rose
SG Knight
SF Gilchrist
PF Davis
C Camby
Bench, Cousins, Wall, Bledsoe, D. Roberts, Lamb
 
Wall
CDR
Rose
Camby
AD
MKG
Cousins
Roe
Knight
Lamb

His ten best collegiate players in his career, IMO. I don't think Cousins was worlds better on offense than Camby. Camby destroyed the '96 team in the second game of the season. Dude was consensus player of the year
 
STARTERS
Lou Roe
Edgar Padilla
Donta Bright
Marcus Camby
Derrick Rose

BENCH
Tyreke Evans
CDR
Rodney Carney
Shawn Williams
Terrence Jones
 
Wall
Rose
MKG
Davis
Cousins

Bench: Camby, Knight, Evans, Lamb, Randle
 
PG --- Wall ------- Kentucky
SG --- Rose ------ Memphis
SF --- Davis ------ Kentucky
PF --- Camby ---- Umass
C --- Cousins --- Kentucky
 
Wall
Rose
Evans
Davis
Camby

That team would need a pair of snipers coming off the bench, however - maybe Booker and Lamb.
 
MWes11 said:
Thought it would be interesting to see the 10 players you would choose from Cal's tenures at UMASS, Memphis and Kentucky. 5 starters and 5 reserves on the bench. This is strictly based on college performance and not NBA success. Who ya got?

Starters
C - Marcus Camby (UMASS)
PF- Anthony Davis (Kentucky)
SF- Chris Douglas-Roberts (Memphis)
SG- Jim McCoy (UMASS)
PG- Derrick Rose (Memphis)

Bench
C - Demarcus Cousins (Kentucky)
PF- Lou Roe (UMASS) or Joey Dorsey (Memphis)
SF- Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (Kentucky)
SG- Doron Lamb (Kentucky)
PG- John Wall (Kentucky)
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You put Camby in front of Cousins? Based on what?
 
nickhorvathsuxazz said:
^ Camby's not keeping Cuz off the first team, either.

I'd go w/ camby from umass, rose and maybe douglas-roberts (since he's not recruited as many 3's as the other spots) from memphis, then the rest wildcats.

1st
5=Cousins
4=AD
3=MKG
2-Knight
1-JW

2nd
5=KAT
4=Camby
3=D-R
2=Bledsoe
1-Rose
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Camby was an absolute stud. He was NPOY in a time when college basketball was deep. Marcus averaged 21ppg and 8rpg his junior year (final season). First Team AA that season was:

Ray Allen - junior
Marcus Camby - junior
Tony Delk - senior
Tim Duncan - junior
Allen Iverson - soph
Kerry Kittles - senior

I think there is zero debate that the front court is AD, Cousins and Camby. It's the back court that has some debate.
 
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Ok, I understand the popularity of Rose and Camby. From a basketball perspective, I can see Rose being on so many lists. He was an outstanding guard, though I agree that he was made of glass as one poster mentions. However, Camby, while a excellent baller, was NOT superior to Cousins, Davis or Towns. At best, he's Honorable mention.

This said, neither of them should be mentioned on anyone's list. Both of them were ineligible. They both dragged Cal through the mud. Both admitted it. In fact, from a statistics perspective, the years that made them special they never played. I actually hate to say this, as both so far as I know were good kids, Camby in particular. Some mistakes you simply aren't allowed to make and they made them.
 
BigBlueFanGA said:
You put Camby in front of Cousins? Based on what?
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Maybe the criteria set the OP.

Camby was the #2 overall pick in the 3rd most loaded draft class of all time - a class that featured Iverson (MVP), Kobe (MVP), Antoine Walker, Steve Nash (MVP), Jermaine O'Neal, Ray Allen, Abdur-Rahim, Peja Stojakovic, Marbury, Kittles, among others.

Camby was a 1st team-All American and a guy who took a team of d-league, undrafted talent to the Final Four, something Cousins failed to do with seven other NBA picks on his team (Harrelson, Orton, Miller, Liggins, Wall, Patterson, Bledsoe).
 
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kybassfan said:
Ok, I understand the popularity of Rose and Camby. From a basketball perspective, I can see Rose being on so many lists. He was an outstanding guard, though I agree that he was made of glass as one poster mentions. However, Camby, while a excellent baller, was NOT superior to Cousins, Davis or Towns. At best, he's Honorable mention.
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Except that OP stipulated the following criteria: "This is strictly based on college performance and not NBA success."

 
20.5 ppg @ 48.4%, 8.2 rpg, 1.8 apg, 3.9 bpg, 2.5 topg, 2.6 PFpg
15.1 ppg @ 56.5%, 9.8 rpg, 1.0 apg, 1.8 bpg, 2.1 topg, 3.2 PFpg

Not sure why people are so quick to say Cousins is ahead of Camby. To be honest, had Camby been surrounded by NBA players, his stat would have been mind blowing. I would pick Camby ahead of Cousins. Number above is the reason.

But if we start playing IF game, we can do the same with Cousins. Had Cousin stop fouling like an idiot, he could have been even more dominant than Davis. However, you can't argue by taking one's weakness out.

11.9 ppg @ 53.5%, 7.4 rpg, 1.9 apg, 1.9 s/b pg, 2.2 Topg, 2.4 PFpg while defending opponent's best player.

That's MKG. I like him better than Cousin, just because of what he brought that's not showing up in stats. It's the same thing with Hornets saying about MKG. "We play better when he's on the court". I believe the same thing for that championship team.
 
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Son_Of_Saul said:
Except that OP stipulated the following criteria: "This is strictly based on college performance and not NBA success."
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You aren't talking about Camby's performance in 1996, right? It didn't count. He was a professional playing in the NCAA. Disqualified, disgraced his school, his coach, his family. He was very contrite about it.
 
kybassfan said:
You aren't talking about Camby's performance in 1996, right? It didn't count. He was a professional playing in the NCAA. Disqualified, disgraced his school, his coach, his family. He was very contrite about it.
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Nah, I'll stick to the OPs criteria instead of trying to create a new argument. For the record, I'd take Camby's sophomore or junior year over Cousins' freshman campaign as well. His ability to limit the opposition's ability to score was historically great, even as a sophomore when he averaged 3.4 blocks/game while stick scoring around 14 points/game on an Elite Eight team.
 
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You aren't talking about Camby's performance in 1996, right? It didn't count. He was a professional playing in the NCAA. Disqualified, disgraced his school, his coach, his family. He was very contrite about it.
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Unless he cheated in basketball...your argument is lame...

He took money, therefore he was better player? He played in era with other NBA caliber player. It's not like he was playing in some pro league overseas and had better access to other basketball related performance enhancer and resources.

He was amazing collegiate player and great NBA player. Whoopieeee he took money...
 
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Son_Of_Saul said:
Maybe the criteria set the OP.

Camby was the #2 overall pick in the 3rd most loaded draft class of all time - a class that featured Iverson (MVP), Kobe (MVP), Antoine Walker, Steve Nash (MVP), Jermaine O'Neal, Ray Allen, Abdur-Rahim, Peja Stojakovic, Marbury, Kittles, among others.

Camby was a 1st team-All American and a guy who took a team of d-league, undrafted talent to the Final Four, something Cousins failed to do with seven other NBA picks on his team (Harrelson, Orton, Miller, Liggins, Wall, Patterson, Bledsoe).
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Camby was a junior, Cousins was a freshman. You can't compare the two and using OPs criteria, it is very difficult to assess freshmen against upper class players.
 
WildMoon said:
20.5 ppg @ 48.4%, 8.2 rpg, 1.8 apg, 3.9 bpg, 2.5 topg, 2.6 PFpg
15.1 ppg @ 56.5%, 9.8 rpg, 1.0 apg, 1.8 bpg, 2.1 topg, 3.2 PFpg

Not sure why people are so quick to say Cousins is ahead of Camby. To be honest, had Camby been surrounded by NBA players, his stat would have been mind blowing. I would pick Camby ahead of Cousins. Number above is the reason.

But if we start playing IF game, we can do the same with Cousins. Had Cousin stop fouling like an idiot, he could have been even more dominant than Davis. However, you can't argue by taking one's weakness out.

11.9 ppg @ 53.5%, 7.4 rpg, 1.9 apg, 1.9 s/b pg, 2.2 Topg, 2.4 PFpg while defending opponent's best player.

That's MKG. I like him better than Cousin, just because of what he brought that's not showing up in stats. It's the same thing with Hornets saying about MKG. "We play better when he's on the court". I believe the same thing for that championship team.
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Can't agree with you at all. For one thing, putting Camby on a star studded team may have reduced his stats instead of elevating them. Not to mention, you can only fairly compare their freshman seasons. Cousins beat him significantly in everything except blocks. I'll stick with Cousins. He put up great numbers when a bunch of other guys were too. Cousins as a junior would have been unfair to college basketball. I have no idea what you two are thinking.
 
BigBlueFanGA said:
Camby was a junior, Cousins was a freshman. You can't compare the two and using OPs criteria, it is very difficult to assess freshmen against upper class players.
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The OPs criteria was based on college performance, with no stipulation for freshman seasons only.

I'm just showing why there's a case for Camby, since you had asked what the pro-Camby crowd might have based the choice on. It's just an opinion question anyway, amigo.
 
BigBlueFanGA said:
Can't agree with you at all. For one thing, putting Camby on a star studded team may have reduced his stats instead of elevating them. Not to mention, you can only fairly compare their freshman seasons. Cousins beat him significantly in everything except blocks. I'll stick with Cousins. He put up great numbers when a bunch of other guys were too. Cousins as a junior would have been unfair to college basketball. I have no idea what you two are thinking.
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Did you watch Camby play in '95 and '96?

If you did, I'm sure you noticed how he was one of the best defensive big men in the last 20 years. Maybe that's part of what we're thinking.
 
WildMoon said:
Unless he cheated in basketball...your argument is lame...

He took money, therefore he was better player? He played in era with other NBA caliber player. It's not like he was playing in some pro league overseas and had better access to other basketball related performance enhancer and resources.

He was amazing collegiate player and great NBA player. Whoopieeee he took money...
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No, he had no stats. Didn't count. He wasn't eligible. He cost his team whatever they accomplished that year.

He cheated in basketball. Period.
 
bthaunert said:
Camby was an absolute stud. He was NPOY in a time when college basketball was deep. Marcus averaged 21ppg and 8rpg his junior year (final season). First Team AA that season was:

Ray Allen - junior
Marcus Camby - junior
Tony Delk - senior
Tim Duncan - junior
Allen Iverson - soph
Kerry Kittles - senior

I think there is zero debate that the front court is AD, Cousins and Camby. It's the back court that has some debate.
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I'm not belittling camby. He was good. But you quoted his jr. stat line against a player who only got a freshman year. That's penalizing cuz for coming along at a different time. If Demarcus played as a junior (after ostensibly learning how to do a better job of not fouling), on a team where he was getting 35 minutes a game I'm sure he's easily a 20/10 guy. Conservatively. I don't know camby's production per minute #'s but cuz's were off the charts. I'm sticking with DC as my starting 5 man on the all-cal team
 
Son_Of_Saul said:
Nah, I'll stick to the OPs criteria instead of trying to create a new argument. For the record, I'd take Camby's sophomore or junior year over Cousins' freshman campaign as well. His ability to limit the opposition's ability to score was historically great, even as a sophomore when he averaged 3.4 blocks/game while stick scoring around 14 points/game on an Elite Eight team.
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What junior year?
 
nickhorvathsuxazz said:
I'm not belittling camby. He was good. But you quoted his jr. stat line against a player who only got a freshman year. That's penalizing cuz for coming along at a different time. If Demarcus played as a junior (after ostensibly learning how to do a better job of not fouling), on a team where he was getting 35 minutes a game I'm sure he's easily a 20/10 guy. Conservatively. I don't know camby's production per minute #'s but cuz's were off the charts. I'm sticking with DC as my starting 5 man on the all-cal team
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Because the OP set the criteria that about half of the people in this thread have ignored. Cousins is the better big because he's had the better pro career, but Camby was a more successful college player, and yes, three years helped him be able to do that (and yes, I think Cousins would have dominated Camby's accolades had he stayed three years). That said, Marcus Camby was a better player at the height of his college career than Cousins was at the height of his college career.
 
Son_Of_Saul said:
Did you watch Camby play in '95 and '96?

If you did, I'm sure you noticed how he was one of the best defensive big men in the last 20 years. Maybe that's part of what we're thinking.
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Yep, I watched his sophomore and junior years. Still only got to watch Cousins as a freshman.
 
Can't believe he put Camby's JR year up against Cousins FR. That's not good form, guys.

Camby was an absolute beast in college, but can you imagine JR Cuz versus college?

It would be a massacre. He'd average 30 and 20.
 
Son_Of_Saul said:
The OPs criteria was based on college performance, with no stipulation for freshman seasons only.

I'm just showing why there's a case for Camby, since you had asked what the pro-Camby crowd might have based the choice on. It's just an opinion question anyway, amigo.
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I know and I'm not trying to be a butt, however you're comparing apples and oranges any way you look at it. Compare their freshman seasons, Cousins was better. Project Cousins to his junior year and he'd still be better.
 
Jkwo said:
Can't believe he put Camby's JR year up against Cousins FR. That's not good form, guys.

Camby was an absolute beast in college, but can you imagine JR Cuz versus college?

It would be a massacre. He'd average 30 and 20.
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Precisely.
 
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