Your facts are correct regarding the highest paid state employees but that doesn’t mean it is deserved or that I have to agree with it because I definitely do not. There are so many people that risk life and limb that make life and death decisions daily but our priorities lean toward someone who coaches a GAME. IMO if you make the big bucks you should be held more accountable. A 3-5 record in the SEC and a shutout loss in the low end Music City Bowl does not deserve $9,000,000 per year. But I suppose you see it otherwise.
Where can you just be average and make millions?
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The argument you make about being an SEC team blah, blah, blah could also be made for the 13, soon to be 15 other teams in our league that make up 8, soon to be 9 games on our schedule. In the BCS/CFP era (last 25 years) 6 different teams have been the national champs. You don’t think everyone else is trying to win as well? What advantages do you think UK has over any other team in the league?
So did he deserve it when he went 10-3 last year? When he owns 2 of the only 4 10 win seasons in the 107 year history of UK football?
Stoops isn’t held accountable? Why do you think he fired his OC?
FYI, the MCB has the 10th highest payout excluding the CFP. It pays more than the Gator Bowl.
Again, people deserve what someone will pay them. They are paid well because they make the school a lot of money. Being a head football coach of a P5 school comes with the responsibility of running a multi million dollar business. In a capitalist society that’s how things work.
The advantage is being an SEC team as opposed to being a college football team in another conference. Recruits, on average, who have talent will want to play in the SEC, to prepare for the NFL, as opposed to other lesser conferences, and all other conferences are "lesser". JMO.
Yet 2/3s of our schedule is vs other SEC teams. I think we just lost our first OOC game in what…the last 5,6 years? So again remind me what advantage UK has over any of the other teams in our conference?
Stoops takes UK to a bowl every year. When he arrived at UK we were worse than that "perineal bottom feeder".
From 1999 to 2012 UK made it to 7 bowl games. From 2013 to 2022 (under Stoops) they have been to 7 bowl games.
All it takes to make it to a bowl is to win half of your games. We usually have that many cupcake games on the schedule yearly. There are 41 bowl games each year,( 82 teams). There are some years when teams with a 5-7 record get an invite.
You are STILL misunderstanding the intent of the post. There is an advantage for UK being in this conference, compared to schools OUTSIDE of the conference. This is WHY I say that this gives, or should give, UK a recruiting advantage over schools OUTSIDE of the conference, NOT relative to schools within the conference. What we need is to upgrade the coaching staff above what we have now. It's better to be within the conference than outside the conference. We just need the right coaches. Having the wrong coaches, in this conference, you get your ass thumped. Learn to compete and win within the conference and UK is a better program. If you can't win, then that's a different conversation.
If UK has an advantage over OTHER MEMBER SCHOOLS, it might be that players of ability come here and they play 3-4 years compared to going to Alabama and playing 1-2 years. But this wasn't the intent of the post. Either way, it's still about coaching.
No, he did not deserve 9 million!! We played only one ranked team ( Georgia) that year and I believe we lost to two unranked teams while we were ranked. Again several cupcake games on that schedule.
We did not make it to the SEC East playoff, We did not make it to the SEC finals, We did not make it to the FBS playoffs
I agree it was a step in the right direction and that led to this years high expectations. We know how that went.
I do like Stoops but in no way do I believe he deserves that amount of money. When we make the SEC playoffs or if we are lucky enough to make the FBS then maybe.
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So, what is you’re alternative?
-You can’t change the fact that coaches make too much money…so what good does it do to talk about every five seconds?
-We could pay millions for a coach that only wins 3-4 games a year. Seemed to work out well for us for ~60 yrs don’t you think?
-We dont have the history to get a big time coach here. If we did, we…and many other programs like us….would have done it already. And even if you did catch lightning in a bottle and bring someone in who was great, they likely wouldn’t stay…..where would you be then? I’ll tell you where we’d be…..back to winning 3-4 games/yr.
Unfortunately the easiest way to get a program to the point where it can get an elite coach is to have a good coach win for a long period of time. So, unfortunately you’re gonna have to “put up” with arguably the most successful coach UK has ever had and his $9 million contract for the foreseeable future.
Seriously? I would vehemently disagree. But, actually, the rest of your post that I didn't quote is actually well-said, especially for you.
How about we win the games like Vandy, Miss, SC? Is that asking too much? That would have given us 10 wins. That in itself wouldn’t have put us in the SEC East playoff but another loss by Tennessee would have. Apparently we can never expect to beat Alabama, Georgia and Tennessee, but we should hold our own every year with the others. Let’s see where we are compared to Auburn, LSU, Mississippi, SC, Texas and Oklahoma over the next few years.
Is it too much to expect to beat a 15th seed in the first round of the "March Madness"?
Absolutely not, I agree 100%. Believe me Cal and his lifetime contract deserve more criticism than Stoops, at least for now.
What good does it do to talk about the coaches money? Well I started the thread and different people comment to me about it and I reply. If you don’t like my comments or think I talk too much about it, although I am replying to others, you don’t have to read the thread comments.
Tennessee was down below us over the past few years and a new coach in 2021 brought them back in a matter of one year.
No worries, they'll be back of the pack soon. I find it hard to believe that some schlep who was only OK at Central Florida is likely to maintain in the SEC. They also lost their OC.
Exactly. I don’t have to read your posts. But on the other hand, if you post on a public forum I have every right to answer.
Tennessee is a historical top 25 program. It’s sooo much easier for programs like that to make coaching hires and get recruits. Kentucky is not…..we’re nowhere even close to the top 25 historical programs. Throughout the history of college football there are very few examples of programs rising from poor to good. In just about every case they did so by hiring a good coach who stays for a long period of time.
Exactly. There are many more.
-Frank Beamer - Virginia Tech
-Gary Patterson - TCU
-Bobby Bowden - FSU
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I don't know of a single program where a coach (or coaches) was very successful for a short period of time, left, and it changed the program. I think about the only one that comes to mind is Miami which was a .500 program before Schnelly/Johnson/Erickson/Davis's run. And even then, every one of these coaches stayed for 5 or more years each.
I forgot about Bowden!! I guess when he was at WVU, FSU struggled.
Question: if Gary Barnett stayed at Northwestern , do you think they’d still be challenging for the B1G?
FSU wasn't a terrible program before Bowden......but it was very much elevated because of him. Even now, people still view them significantly in the upper tier.
It's also worth noting that guys like Beamer and Snyder were at VT and KSU for a while before they really started to take off. Beamer took almost a decade before we had a double digit win season......and it was around year 20 when he started to win double digits year after year. Snyder took 7 yrs before he won double digits......and 10+ years before he won double digits every year.
I am not saying that Stoops "will" become someone who wins double digits every year.....(which, of course, we all want) But I am saying that we can't rule out the possibility. Also, certainly there have been times when Stoops' has underperformed, but you also have to have a wider perspective of what is happening with the program entirely.
I get it, you are an anti-Stoops idiot. Quick question though, moron, how many 10 wins seasons did UK have between 1999 and 2012?
Not that any of these make millions but they are average at their job and don't have to worry about it.
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Stoops contract extension and pay raise was a result of the mistake Barnhart made with Calipari. Calipari shooting off his mouth about basketball school and Stoops being butthurt about the comments leads to Barnhart handing Stoops the same money as paid to Calipari. Now that's prudent management coming out of the AD's office ... the kind that should get someone fired.
Apparently you are tied to the staff or CMS in some form or fashion and can’t handle the least bit of criticism. I give Cal much more criticism than Stoops and both are deserved.
So you mention 10 win seasons, let’s look at the strength of schedule for Stoops and his two 10 seasons and let’s say Rich Brooks and his 2007 team. Brooks 2007 team finished the season 8-5 however nearly every loss for the 2007 season was against a ranked team and there were huge wins over #1 LSU and #9 Louisville and a bowl win over Florida State. There were no Vandy level losses.
Brooks had a yearly salary of $1,000,000.
It seems that 10 win seasons might be a bit easier when you schedule cupcake teams.
Moron, Idiot, Really???? Are you in grade school?
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That 2007 season 3 of the wins were Eastern Kentucky, Kent State and Florida Atlantic…pretty sure those qualify as cupcakes. Florida State in the bowl game was missing 34 players…so we didn’t get their best. And that “#9 Louisville”…finished 6-6. Obviously not the #9 team.
Salaries are determined by the market. Everyone made much less in 2007 vs 2022-2023.
CEOs, Billionaires/corporations that don't pay taxes, Insurance companies, s, anyone who inherited their money...
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