Oh someone argued on here that he was every bit as good as Bam. That he can do everything in the league that Bam does
Where are the “Oscar is for sure an NBA’er guys””?”
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I think the problem is the opposite.
It's become a fun/easy take that "The pros don't play defense." But they do. Sure, guys like James Harden don't give it their all--especially in the regular season. But in general, most guys are actually playing defense.
You're going to say "I watch the NBA and guys are always wide open." Sure they are. The NBA has the most talented basketball players in the world. And NBA players make most of their open shots. You have to respect them. The floor is spaced optimally.
Then you add in the fact that the NBA has become about passing and ball movement. Guys that stick in the league can keep the ball moving and make the appropriate pass. You don't see nearly as much taking your man off the dribble. Sure, it happens. But most guys don't get consistently destroyed off the dribble.
IMO, that's the Oscar problem. I don't think Oscar can stay in front of many NBA guys. Not only is his man going to be open on the peremiter--his man is going to be able to get to the rim at will.
I'm here. Nice job of gloating btw.
I never said he would be Rodman in the NBA, but I did say he is a once in a decade (or two) level rebounder, who can carve out a contributing role in the NBA, getting rebounds and kick it back out to the shooters. I still say that. But yes, I was wrong about him being drafted. You happy?? But predicting the draft ain't easy, look at all those "experts" on tv last night that had the Villanova guy in the top 10, some thought as early as 5. If predicting the draft was easy for anyone, we could get rich off of it. And the draft is still not the determining factor of how good a player will be (ask Jokic).
No one said "his 3pt shot is really good". We said he has shown he is capable of hitting them, I think making about 1/2 in his workouts. And those "in the know" said you can cut the "workout %" in half for life in-game %. 25% isn't anything to write home about, but it's not attrocious. Heck, half the top 10 shot 3's in the 20-30% range this past year. So he's not that different from those guys.
I saw no one say "his defense isn't bad". But we did say, he does have those quick soccer feet, so there is no reason for him to remain bad defensively. Defense is playing smart, and effort primarily, but strength and quickness help.
I did see some make the Chuck Hayes reference. I didn't agree with that, was a different game when he played. And he didn't play for his rebounding, he played for his defense and effort.
Oscar is short for a 5/C, but not for a 4/PF. There are teams who start 6'6-'6'8 guys at the PF/4, even ones who aren't good 3pt shooters.
So yes, I still say he will play in the NBA. And you will still be a prick.
Oscar is a specialist, who performs 1 skill better than anyone in a couple of decades. You can go down just about every NBA team and find a guy worse than (or no better than) Oscar.
Yet he won a NPOY award, crazy, Oscar should have gotten drafted in the late second round, especially since
teams draft dudes they know they can stash overseas or in the g-league for a couple of year, Oscar should have been drafted
What position would he play? Too small for a traditional center, can’t handle the ball or shoot well enough to play anywhere else
Weird flex. I think we all knew that there was a possibility that he wouldn't go; there was also a possibility that he could go late second round.
Last 2 drafts have been a bit weird at times with folks like GG Jackson and Timme just going undrafted. The NBA is constantly changing priority and that shows in players like Timme and Oscar that while not world beaters would find a spot on a roster somewhere 10-15 years ago.
Last 2 drafts have been a bit weird at times with folks like GG Jackson and Timme just going undrafted. The NBA is constantly changing priority and that shows in players like Timme and Oscar that while not world beaters would find a spot on a roster somewhere 10-15 years ago.
He can shoot the midrange jumpshot well, the 3 point shot he would have to add, I think he be a small ball five or 4 depending on situation with a second unit
This is not an Oscar issue, this is illustrative of the difference between College and NBA basketball. Almost two different sports in some aspects.
Think about this for big men just this year:
-Adam Sanogo Final Four Most Outstanding Player and National Champ (undrafted)
-Drew Timme 1st Team All-American (undrafted)
-Oscar National Player of the Year last year (undrafted)
Anyone who says the NBA doesn't play defense is so far off base. The schemes on both sides of the ball are so much more complex than in college, sometimes a defensive scheme is so good it just looks like guys are lazy because they're already where they need to be. There's tons of pre-switching and pre-rotation in anticipation of what the offense will do. And if a guy is wide open he's probably going to hit the shot, so what's the point in wasting energy to close out in a season that's 82 games long plus playoffs?
We could go without the name calling, its so elementary. Glad you had to eat it, thanks for stepping up.
While I agree with the premise, it doesn't change the facts of the original post. Many of us knew it wasn't happening because of the things you mentioned but many chose to argue the contrary.
I do think he will play in the NBA summer league and I think he will put up some pretty silly rebounding numbers in those games. His motor is just something you can't teach and few have.
Theoretically you're correct. But do you think he would ever get that shot in the NBA? Big guys eat him alive
All those guys but Rondo played in a completely different version of the NBA. NBA leading team in 3 point shots attempted in 2003-04 was 23.6. 2022-23 season was 43.1. Darrell Griffith's last year in the NBA was 1991. Padgett was 08, Anderson was 08. That was a decade and a half ago and the NBA was a blast to watch back then. Now if you don't shoot 3's, you don't stay in the league.
I didn't believe Oscar was ready for the NBA. He just doesn't have the athleticism and the shooting ability to play the game currently at the NBA level. He is too short to play the 5, doesn't have the hops to compensate for his height, and he doesn't shoot well enough to play the 4. However, it is a little disturbing to see that a so-called UK fan is experiencing so much pleasure at his expense.
Not getting drafted gives him the ability to find a team that really has a need for his skill set.
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You still don't get it. All good and god bless you
Go try and guard an NBA player at the 3pt line.
they are having lunch with the " we only have 7 players" crowd
No. We take pleasure in seeing what a $9 million coach and his leeches can't see. Its straight forward.
Because we're upset that Cal and his leeches put way more emphasis on the NBA than what any who is a true fan of UK ever would. If you're going to screw over my program and generally not do the things that you've signed on to do, then peece on your NBA career.
I've said that for years, that college and NBA are almost 2 entirely different sports.
How did Oscar screw over the program ?
Yeah that was the dumbest comment ever.
I'm one of them. I'll own up to it.
I guess I'm just out of touch with the NBA (and that doesn't necessarily bother me). I would have drafted him before Wallace, Livingston and Toppin in a heartbeat.
If there's not a place in the league for an NPOY who dominated most opponents despite being a victim of very subpar coaching and no real offensive system, then I don't want to watch the league.
I guess I'm just out of touch with the NBA (and that doesn't necessarily bother me). I would have drafted him before Wallace, Livingston and Toppin in a heartbeat.
If there's not a place in the league for an NPOY who dominated most opponents despite being a victim of very subpar coaching and no real offensive system, then I don't want to watch the league.
wth?
Oscar did NOT screw over UK. Hell, he won several games fours. I mean the man nearly averaged a double-double a night.
Ridiculous.
I'm honestly surprised someone didn't give him a chance. I guess being a hardworking rebounder isn't enough these days.
Yeah I was a little harsh, but I'm spot on for what he actually did and didn't do here. It's clear that you're one of those who don't look at the little things, the things that make teammates better. It's been discussed ad nauseam here what his big flaws were. Huggins was also correct in what he said.
Oscar wasn't perfect and absolutely had his flaws.
And as for Huggins, well, to each his own. But I think we see he's not in his correct mind and hasn't been for a bit.
Happy for Oscar! He will work hard and work his way up.
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Why draft him when he will be there after the draft and you can save a couple hundred k?
I get what you are saying but the money is no different in second round vs undrafted. Nothing is a guaranteed contract and minimum is minimum.
