What was the justification for making Kentucky a six-class state for HS FB?

[KingOfBBN]

All of these games have been blowouts and our state isn't big enough to justify six classes. There's not enough difference between 1A and 2A, 3A and 4A, I'm sure 5A and 6A are not too far off.

It's the same teams evey year and close games are a rarity in these playoffs.

 

[NoDef]

Pretty much it was private school domination in every classification. Public schools were complaining of some disadvantages they had in competing. This spread the teams out more allowing at least some of the classes to be public school dominated.

 

[dvillecatfan]

 

[truebluewildcat]

St X and Trinity are still pretty much in the championship game every year or other year.

When is somebody going to finally decide to put those two in the same District or Region?

 

[Brown is the new Blue]

All of these games have been blowouts and our state isn't big enough to justify six classes. There's not enough difference between 1A and 2A, 3A and 4A, I'm sure 5A and 6A are not too far off.

It's the same teams evey year and close games are a rarity in these playoffs.

In a word, its ridiculous.

 

[Shavers48]

All of these games have been blowouts and our state isn't big enough to justify six classes. There's not enough difference between 1A and 2A, 3A and 4A, I'm sure 5A and 6A are not too far off.

It's the same teams evey year and close games are a rarity in these playoffs.

it's a lot more about how the divide the regions. there were some very competitive games earlier in the playoffs, esp in the smaller classes.

 

[Shavers48]

it's a lot more about how the divide the regions. there were some very competitive games earlier in the playoffs, esp in the smaller classes.

and there's a HUGE diff between 1-4

 

[dustarm20]

So more schools could make it to the playoffs. That extra week could make a huge difference to a team that finished 1-9 during the regular season.......
Here are how many teams per class that made the playoffs with 3 wins or less:
1A - 6 of 29 (3 teams had byes)
2A - 5 of 32
3A - 3 of 32
4A - 7 of 32
5A - 4 of 31 (1 bye)
6A - 9 of 32

 

[Caveman Catfan]

St X and Trinity are still pretty much in the championship game every year or other year.

When is somebody going to finally decide to put those two in the same District or Region?

You are being generous to St. X. Trinity has had a dynasty under Beatty.

 

[vhcat70]

All of these games have been blowouts and our state isn't big enough to justify six classes. There's not enough difference between 1A and 2A, 3A and 4A, I'm sure 5A and 6A are not too far off.

It's the same teams evey year and close games are a rarity in these playoffs.

Fewer classes would make the blowouts even worse. It's a, actually the, fact that HS football is a numbers game - number of male students.

 

[vhcat70]

So more schools could make it to the playoffs. That extra week could make a huge difference to a team that finished 1-9 during the regular season.......
Here are how many teams per class that made the playoffs with 3 wins or less:
1A - 6 of 29 (3 teams had byes)
2A - 5 of 32
3A - 3 of 32
4A - 7 of 32
5A - 4 of 31 (1 bye)
6A - 9 of 32

When they went to more classes, it assured no team could complain that they should have gotten in. They also reduced the regular season from 11 to 10 games. Only teams not getting 11 games now are those that don't want anymore.

 

[vhcat70]

This is one of the few years the 5A champ could give the 6A one a decent game.

 

[ace on the river]

When i played there were 3 classes, and that was plenty

 

[Fecesforbrains]

When I played it was like bowls were then .... lose a game no playoff lose a game no bowl... now everybody gets a hug and a trophy... win a AAA state championship got a patch for my letterman’s jacket and a football shaped charm I Assume to pin on my letterman’s jacket or on a chain around my neck ....

 

[KingOfBBN]

On an unrelated note, attendance is up from the title games at WKU. Imagine that.

 

[KYNC89]

Don’t know why but state talent is horrible. Doesn’t need 6 classes.

 

[ts55]

The disparity between the largest A school and the smallest A was large. So was the disparity between the largest and smallest 4A school. So they took the bottom 32 and top 32 and made them each a class where everyone qualifies. Everyone else was split up in the 4 classes.
Is it too many, probably. But it will be really hard to reduce it. It’s kinda like obama care, hard to take something back once you give it to them.
Blowouts happen. People argue that 4 in each district to qualify is too many. But there were blowouts in later rounds too. Lots of good discussions on some of the high school sports message boards.

 

[gobigblue812]

Everybody gets a trophy mentality

 

[Caveman Catfan]

When I played, we had to walk to the games barefoot on snow and glass uphill and we wore paper hats for helmets and the footballs were made of metal and the field was a dust bowl with pits that had flaming swords and they broke our arms BEFORE we played so we would not complain of sport injuries and people threw cans and rocks at our heads from the stands and the cheerleaders were local bar bouncers who would beat us mercilessly if we left the field and the trophy was a bag of poop.

Kids have it easy these days.

 

[WildcatDJ]

This is one of the few years the 5A champ could give the 6A one a decent game.

I watched the 5A title game last night. Cov Cath had a running clock by the end of the third quarter just like they have against every other KY opponent they have played this season.

That said, their OL and DL were both undersized, especially their DL. Madison Southern bullied them down the field all night long in a losing effort. They just couldn't match the skill positions. Cov Cath's QB is very good too.

I think Trinity or St X would dominate the LOS against Cov Cath. Would be fun to watch though.

I think there should be a public school and private school champion in football. The numbers advantage are just too great to overcome for the public schools when they play the private schools.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

All of these games have been blowouts and our state isn't big enough to justify six classes. There's not enough difference between 1A and 2A, 3A and 4A, I'm sure 5A and 6A are not too far off.

It's the same teams evey year and close games are a rarity in these playoffs.

How many high schools are in Kentucky? All I have to compare it to is the state of Georgia which now has 7 classes, 8 for football. Just a shade under 400 HS in Georgia and at one time they tried to keep the classes the same same size, divided the number by 6 and then started with the smallest schools and got to the 1/6 number made that single A and so on. Then the single A public schools complained about the private schools dominating football because they were recruiting and drawing from a much larger population pool, so the GHSA added a passed a rule that private school students counted 1.5 per student, well they are so small they still fell in single A, so the GHSA has a private single A and public single A state championship. Then the large schools started complaining, that schools at the bottom end of enrollment in 6A with 2000 students were having to play schools with 3500 students, so to 7A was created for the 35 or so schools with huge enrollments. But the reality is almost all the schools playing for state championships in Georgia next weekend are recruiting like crazy and pulling kids from as large an area as they can get to come.

 

[ukalum1988]

When I played it was like bowls were then .... lose a game no playoff lose a game no bowl... now everybody gets a hug and a trophy... win a AAA state championship got a patch for my letterman’s jacket and a football shaped charm I Assume to pin on my letterman’s jacket or on a chain around my neck ....

When I was in high school in the early 80s, if you didn’t win your district you were SOL. Basically there were eight districts and four regions. You only had to win three post season games to win the state title.

 

[ts55]

The KHSAA, Kentucky High School Athletic Association, member schools voted to separate public and private schools. But the KSB, Kentucky School Board, which is their governing body said no, work something out. The 6 class system was one of those compromises they came up with.

 

[Shavers48]

When I was in high school in the early 80s, if you didn’t win your district you were SOL. Basically there were eight districts and four regions. You only had to win three post season games to win the state title.

add to it the fact that often the best 2-3 teams in a class play in the same region, sometimes even district, and you wind up with playoff brackets that ensure the best 4 teams will never meet in the semi's, not even close to it

 

[ts55]

add to it the fact that often the best 2-3 teams in a class play in the same region, sometimes even district, and you wind up with playoff brackets that ensure the best 4 teams will never meet in the semi's, not even close to it

See Highlands and Cov Cath. That’s why Cov Cath is 7-0 in championship games.

 

[mrschwump]

Pretty much it was private school domination in every classification. Public schools were complaining of some disadvantages they had in competing. This spread the teams out more allowing at least some of the classes to be public school dominated.

Tennessee has 9, that's N-I-N-E, classifications including 3 for private schools. In other words, a champ in classes that recruit and those that don't.

 

[ts55]

Tennessee has 9, that's N-I-N-E, classifications including 3 for private schools. In other words, a champ in classes that recruit and those that don't.

Be careful, venture to say some public schools are doing just as much recruiting in KY.

 

[sluggercatfan]

St X and Trinity are still pretty much in the championship game every year or other year.

When is somebody going to finally decide to put those two in the same District or Region?

I thought they had already done that several years ago.

 

[ukalum1988]

add to it the fact that often the best 2-3 teams in a class play in the same region, sometimes even district, and you wind up with playoff brackets that ensure the best 4 teams will never meet in the semi's, not even close to it

Weren’t Corbin and Somerset in the same district back then? I remember a few years after I got out of high school the KHSAA started allowing the district champ and the runner-up into the playoffs, adding another round and another week to the postseason.

 

[mrschwump]

Be careful, venture to say some public schools are doing just as much recruiting in KY.

No doubt, it's just that privates get a shot at the cream of the crop first.

 

[vhcat70]

The disparity between the largest A school and the smallest A was large. So was the disparity between the largest and smallest 4A school.

I understand Beechwood is largest 1A school in state & likely to be moved to 2A at next realignment.

 

[vhcat70]

The big issue is 6A. Boys count range from 710 to 1350 or nearly 2x. 5A goes from 550 to 710 - pretty narrow. The rest are even less ex 1A where they have to go down to the smallest.

 

[Philpot Cat]

More games= more$$$$$$.

 

[Jtf2217]

When I played. 05-08. (State champions class 4A ) we had the trouble most years of running into the bigger schools. The bigger schools were much better at skilled positions than we were most years. We just played smash mouth football.
Our 08 team rocked pretty much everyone , but still when we ran into the bigger teams we were sqeeking 2 point wins out. Much harder to compete with the Boyle county team or a big city school like east than it is rockcastle .

 

[trueblujr2]

add to it the fact that often the best 2-3 teams in a class play in the same region, sometimes even district, and you wind up with playoff brackets that ensure the best 4 teams will never meet in the semi's, not even close to it

Exactly. This year South Oldham (my sons school) was tied for second with Christian County with the second best record st 9-1 regular season. And their defense gave up the fewest points over the season in all of KHSAA football. Covington Catholic was a very close second in that category, yet the way the pairings were set up, South had to play Covington Catholic in the second round of the playoffs. And would have theoretically had to play Christian County had they won in the third round. Christian didn’t win, but the pairings had South Oldham having to possibly ply the only two teams ranked ahead of Them just to make the title game. Pairings were rather ridiculous.

 

[NoDef]

The KHSAA, Kentucky High School Athletic Association, member schools voted to separate public and private schools. But the KSB, Kentucky School Board, which is their governing body said no, work something out. The 6 class system was one of those compromises they came up with.

That's what I thought. Now I think the legislature worked it out for the private schools to be included on the board of controls, so it's never going to change. The All A State saved basketball from going to clasess, but it has pretty much turned into private school domination too. If a private doesn't win it, they have a team in the finals.

 

[dustarm20]

When I played. 05-08. (State champions class 4A ) we had the trouble most years of running into the bigger schools. The bigger schools were much better at skilled positions than we were most years. We just played smash mouth football.
Our 08 team rocked pretty much everyone , but still when we ran into the bigger teams we were sqeeking 2 point wins out. Much harder to compete with the Boyle county team or a big city school like east than it is rockcastle .

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I wish our coach would have kicked a FG earlier in the game instead of going for it on 4th down. Our kicker had not missed a FG that year (hadn't kicked that many but was pretty much money 35-yards an in) but no, he elected to run a play that we never practiced. And the final score, as I'm sure you remember, was 15-13. I did like the adjustment you all made by putting your RB at NT in the 2nd half; it really messed with what our coach's playcalling.

 

[Shavers48]

Exactly. This year South Oldham (my sons school) was tied for second with Christian County with the second best record st 9-1 regular season. And their defense gave up the fewest points over the season in all of KHSAA football. Covington Catholic was a very close second in that category, yet the way the pairings were set up, South had to play Covington Catholic in the second round of the playoffs. And would have theoretically had to play Christian County had they won in the third round. Christian didn’t win, but the pairings had South Oldham having to possibly ply the only two teams ranked ahead of Them just to make the title game. Pairings were rather ridiculous.

S Old had a great team this yr.

 

[Jtf2217]

Also dust arm after you guys drove down

I wish our coach would have kicked a FG earlier in the game instead of going for it on 4th down. Our kicker had not missed a FG that year (hadn't kicked that many but was pretty much money 35-yards an in) but no, he elected to run a play that we never practiced. And the final score, as I'm sure you remember, was 15-13. I did like the adjustment you all made by putting your RB at NT in the 2nd half; it really messed with what our coach's playcalling.

When you guys drove down and scored, then Dominic got loose to the one and you guys hit us with a goal line stand I though we were beat honestly. Your QB threw a few suspect passes. John and SZ got one each and I dropped one myself that was a gift. Without those we probably lose.
Our defense shut out 7 teams in regular season and we took good pride in shutting you down. You guys drove right down and scored then you stood us up 4 straight plays. We should have let Monte kick a few field goals too off the TOs but we didn't think anyone could stand us up like that.

The Boyle county game was a fight but we felt like we were better than them because we had played them tough in the past. We honestly didn't expect to play east in the championship

 

[Jtf2217]

No disrespect dustarm but I believe you guys were 5-5 and pulled a few upsets that no one seen coming . We were already looking into calloway if we made it past Boyle.