What should be done about the faking cramps/injuries?

[HeismaNole]

It is constant across football but blatantly obvious in yesterday’s game.

You gotta implement something like they’re out for four plays or for that series or something. It’s clear as day what they’re doing to get extra timeouts or stop momentum.

 

[CatEye2010]

After the second one each half, it costs a time out.

 

[TucsonCat]

Heavy fines after the game is an easy step.
Oh, the guy with a cramp came back 2 minutes later? 250,000
We have video tape of sideline telling him to fall down? 500,000
Treat it like storming the field where it grows.

Also, should be like targeting. If we can suspend a player for next weeks game based on in the moment review, we can do it tow days later after some video review and team trying to defend it.


Not THE solutions, but steps.

 

[cats2010]

After the second one each half, it costs a time out.

I like this but when it is obviously a fake it should cost the team a timeout each and every time. No need to give any team any grace towards this. Stoops’ team have done this a lot throughout his time here and not a fan of us doing it either but was pleasantly surprised we didn’t hardly do all all yesterday, if we did it at all. Can’t recall when we did, but know they did several times.

 

[HerrosHeroes]

Its impossible to prove either way so it will continue.

 

[Glenn's take]

Herbstreit got mad about it last week in the Tennessee and Oklahoma game. Said it wasn't illegal but unethical as he'll.

I say make them sit the rest of the series.

 

[HeismaNole]

Its impossible to prove either way so it will continue.

If you treat it as “injured player has to sit out for that series”, you can implement this without saying it’s fake or not.

 

[darkshadesofblue]

The opposing team should be granted an additional timeout

 

[bigbluedon]

Herbstreit got mad about it last week in the Tennessee and Oklahoma game. Said it wasn't illegal but unethical as he'll.

I say make them sit the rest of the series.

Make them sit for the rest of the quarter and if it’s real late in the quarter make them sit for four series. If they do it in the 4th quarter they are done for the game. It’s ridiculous.

 

[flacat22]

If you cause a stoppage of the game then there should be a minimum number of plays that you sit out, 3, 4, I don’t know but this game is already dragging with the refs stoping play every five secs for SOMETHING.

 

[K_TIME]

If you cause a stoppage of the game then there should be a minimum number of plays that you sit out, 3, 4, I don’t know but this game is already dragging with the refs stoping play every five secs for SOMETHING.

I think this is the easiest to implement.....

Make a kid sit out the remainder of the series....maybe even a full quarter for any type of injury. So if I lose a starting DE, RB, etc....then I'll think twice about him faking an injury.

I get the timeout thing....but you only get 3 each half...so if you burn out of TOs....what is there to stop you from faking rest of half?

It's impossible to guage valid vs. fake.....but having a rule that that player sits no matter what....is more than fair and not crazy hard to implement.

 

[truebluewildcat]

Yeah, agree something may have to be done. However, it's one of those things that everyone does and benefits from.

I don't know how you crack down on it, but I think it's worth looking into. I guess that's where replay comes in, and blatantly obvious violations like ole dude being told by the QB to hit the deck should be penalized.

First, for "player health and safety", anybody that goes down has to sit out for evaluation by medical and training staff for a series at minimum.

Secondly, egregious offenders like yesterday, they're out a quarter. May even look into 5-yard penalty.

Repeat offenses as in multiple times in a drive or quarter team loses time out and/or players start getting tossed. If you're going to sit on the ground and writhe in pain because of a "cramp", you can head on back to the locker room and drink some Gatorade.

 

[flacat22]

I think the burden of proof should fall on the players medical team, prove he’s no longer injured and he can return.

 

[BlueEmpire]

Unsportsmanlike conduct or delay of game

 

[Mike-McD]

None of the above.

Best solution is to change the rule and say it is the injured player’s team’s responsibility to get the injured player off the field and that the play clock will run. That means the offense can run the next play immediately.

 

[truckbrandon]

I like this but when it is obviously a fake it should cost the team a timeout each and every time. No need to give any team any grace towards this. Stoops’ team have done this a lot throughout his time here and not a fan of us doing it either but was pleasantly surprised we didn’t hardly do all all yesterday, if we did it at all. Can’t recall when we did, but know they did several times.

Oxendine did it... immediately... when we recovered the fumble and the refs called the Ole Miss player down. If Ox hadn't done it, Kiffin would've quick-snapped it. It was an extremely "headsy" play, and nobody is talking about it.

 

[KYCAT78]

It is constant across football but blatantly obvious in yesterday’s game.

You gotta implement something like they’re out for four plays or for that series or something. It’s clear as day what they’re doing to get extra timeouts or stop momentum.

It is on Coach and not player, suspend him under same targeting rules.

 

[Fox2monk]

It is constant across football but blatantly obvious in yesterday’s game.

You gotta implement something like they’re out for four plays or for that series or something. It’s clear as day what they’re doing to get extra timeouts or stop momentum.

Make them cost a TO and they will stop.

 

[Fox2monk]

If you treat it as “injured player has to sit out for that series”, you can implement this without saying it’s fake or not.

Not a bad idea.

 

[rick64]

When it’s an obvious fake then absolutely they have to come out of the game for X number of plays. Maybe you make it some kind of yardage penalty against the team. Possibly unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Its impossible to prove either way so it will continue.

This. We really dont need refs getting involved in judging an injury.

I think the easiest solution is a limit of twice per player. If you go down a third time, you must not be healthy enough to compete and its deemed a safety concern and you are out the rest of the game.

Thats the best you can do.

 

[YardCat]

Nothing will be done, a lot of players get cramps and they return a couple plays later. It has helped us before and this past game, I think it’s a heads up play. What are you going to do.

 

[bthaunert]

None of the above.

Best solution is to change the rule and say it is the injured player’s team’s responsibility to get the injured player off the field and that the play clock will run. That means the offense can run the next play immediately.

I love this...guy breaks his leg and is in terrible pain. Team doctors are out attending to the poor soul and the offense snaps the ball, makes it's way around the team doctors and cart that is on the field to go in for a touchdown.

 

[IFerg1969]

Its impossible to prove either way so it will continue.

Well, it's not a court of law. It's not really any different than trying to prove a basketball player is flopping. There are rules that exist to deter that in college hoops. But, it would be a judgement call. That has it's own drawbacks.

 

[WildcatforLife1965]

The answer to stopping it is simple. You must use a timeout. That’s it. If you have no timeouts then it’s a 5 yard delay if game penalty

 

[Lempface]

Wouldn't the only fair thing be to make you sit out a number of plays if you cause an injury timeout? 4 plays?

 

[littlecreek]

If a player has to leave the game or sit out for a series or whatever then they will sub in a player to "have cramps" that's not very good and it doesn't matter if he doesn't return. You have to punish the team some way.

 

[PushupMan]

It is constant across football but blatantly obvious in yesterday’s game.

You gotta implement something like they’re out for four plays or for that series or something. It’s clear as day what they’re doing to get extra timeouts or stop momentum.

This is where I’m at … seems like it would be easy to implement a rule that any player who is injured and forces a stoppage of play must sit out at least for the rest of that series.

 

[HeismaNole]

This is where I’m at … seems like it would be easy to implement a rule that any player who is injured and forces a stoppage of play must sit out at least for the rest of that series.

I think it’s the easiest thing to implement without accusing anyone of anything. The only downside is someone possibly trying to intentionally hurt someone to get them out that play but that could be any time; really.

 

[Deeeefense]

the injured player should have to sit for the reminder of the current series. He can return when a new series starts. They could also massage the rule and make it a player safety issue as well.

 

[Soupbean]

Its impossible to prove either way so it will continue.

Disagree HH. If we can make judgment calls on intentional grounding I think it’s easier to do when we have video of intentional flopping. Should be a personal foul unsportsmanlike conduct 15 yard penalty.

 

[Mike-McD]

I love this...guy breaks his leg and is in terrible pain. Team doctors are out attending to the poor soul and the offense snaps the ball, makes it's way around the team doctors and cart that is on the field to go in for a touchdown.

I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but teams do have timeouts...

 

[mg0721]

Make the team with the injured player use a time out or hold him out for a minimum of 3-5 plays.

 

[bthaunert]

I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but teams do have timeouts...

So, a team has to take their last time out in a game because their guy breaks his leg? Or if they are out of timeouts, the play continues with the guy lying their in pain?

 

[satcheluk]

It is constant across football but blatantly obvious in yesterday’s game.

You gotta implement something like they’re out for four plays or for that series or something. It’s clear as day what they’re doing to get extra timeouts or stop momentum.

Any player who goes down must sit out the rest of the drive and fines, penalties and/or suspensions from the SEC office for any thing obvious caught on video.

 

[PersianCat387]

Kkeeping players out the rest of the drive is the best solution that is somewhat fair to both sides. This doesn't bring judging injuries to the equation and adds a little bit more risk for the team that may decide to use the technique.

I know it was a bad look on Ole Miss Saturday but we really should be careful what we wish for. Stoops has used the strategy a bunch in the past few years, enough that the reputation of Kentucky doing it is quite prevalent in other SEC fanbases. Heck I even think we did it at least once in the Ole Miss game too.

Sometimes it annoys me, but I am pretty "meh" about the whole thing as I also dislike pure "tempo" offenses as a college-only gimmick as well, so anything that pushes back against that a little bit is fair game.

I say pass two rules at the same time.

1. Defense is always allowed to sub on first down
2. Any injured player who can't get off under their own power and causes a stoppage misses a series.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

If you treat it as “injured player has to sit out for that series”, you can implement this without saying it’s fake or not.

You want the liability aa an official of diagnosing a player? None of the officials on the field or in conference headquarters do either.

Reality is if a DC thinks he needs a break have a "fan" run on the field to stop play. IMO, just as ethical as trying to run a play before the defense is ready.

 

[Mike-McD]

So, a team has to take their last time out in a game because their guy breaks his leg? Or if they are out of timeouts, the play continues with the guy lying their in pain?

Yup. That'll fix the faking problem, won't it.

And of course I am sure you can cite literally HUNDREDS of examples where this has happened at the end of games. Broken legs, etc.

 

[wobycat]

No time out

Just offense has 5 seconds to snap ball when ready for play.

Defense player has to sit out minimum of two or three plays.

 

[southindycat]

Player cannot see field again until change of possession. Done. Training staff need "adequate time to evaluate", right?