Some would bitch if they were hung with a new rope.
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Fair point. Seeing that Tamme is excited to have this guy on board after having worked with him for a bit is pretty nice. I may be a skeptic at times, but I'm willing to change my mind. Still skeptical, but less so as more folks associated with the program share optimism.
I see and understand all the stuff in the guys resume that doesn’t look good. But if we are attaching Rich to Jimmy G, then don’t we have to attach Coen to Goff?
Have patience and trust Stoops. Remember what you said about Coen when he was hired:
“Iirc he was assistant qb coach. Not even the lead guy. So we could surely find someone better. But I think once Moorhead passed on it, this was as good as we could hope for. Big risk though.”
I said I'd be patient.
My assessment was actually correct. Moorhead would've been the better choice because he was proven but coen was as good as we could hope for. It was a big risk because he was unproven. Thanks to our opportunity, in one yes he went from unproven to a hot commodity.
I recall you laughing at those of us saying we were in real danger of losing coen and calling us stupid. I posted after the first game we'd be lucky to keep him more than one year.
LOL
You said Coen was a risk and Moorhead would have been better. Wrong and wrong.
Find where I called anyone stupid for thinking there was a danger in losing Coen. If you can, you might actually be right about something.
I said it was not worth the consternation, because it was going to be what it was going to be. Coen passed on other jobs. The one he would not pass on, he took.
I was right on both accounts. Moorhead is one of the best ocs in the nation. If you can get him, you do. Coen was unproven but it was obvious he was on the Joe Brady plan and would be back in the league ASAP.
Personally I don't care enough to find anything, Anyone reading this board saw them.
You won’t find it because you lied.
And, you now say it was “obvious,” but a couple of weeks ago you said you just did not know. 🤦♂️
Honestly, I'm not wowed by this hire but who am I. I'll assume he's as good as Coen. We have a 66% chance at being pretty well off here. He'll either be worse than Coen, equal to Coen or better than Coen. We'll find out pretty quickly this fall.
Didn’t read SF gripes but there could be some bitterness over the loss to the Rams that colored some of them.
I'm sure the eorstvhires are happy about that, getting one of their people into the SEC and all...
But this journeyman wouldn’t leave after a year if he’s successful? Well, guess he’s averaging like 2 seasons a stop.
Woodward will be ready to call the shots after 1 more yr as the understudy
1. Morehead left Oregon OC to take Arkon Zips head coaching job....an actual paycut. So We'd likely be in same predicament as Morehead has head coaching desires more than OC at UK,.
2. I think Stoops is done with read option style offense that is very cookie cutter-ish in college. He had a vision for what he wanted which is NFL type power offense with some solid play action off of it to throw as well. He wants to recruit kids to a NFL system....so Morehead wasn't the route to go.
Usually when a quarterbacks coach leaves after spending only one season with a rookie quarterback, it could be detrimental to their growth as continuity is critical. However, this isn't the case with Scangarello. Lance will benefit from an actually useful coach. 🙄😮.
This from a San Francisco sports rider. He was fired from the Eagles ? We will know something about him by October.
Anyone who forms their opinion form anonymous, uniformed, sour grapes social media posts gets a 1/10 from me, in any context.
Except that I would add the Scangarello is a step up, experience wise, from where Stoops plucked Coen. Coen spent 2 yrs as asst WR coach and 1 yr as asst QB coach with the Rams. Scangarello was a step above that at the 49ers with some experience as an OC too. Stoops was first looking at Calabrese, who has a similar resume to Coen, and found out he could take a step up the ladder and hire Calabrese's mentor, Sacngarello.
I love how the internet is permanent. Too bad those who are generally naysayers usually lack introspection. Skepticism and fear were evolutionarily valuable, but as we've evolved, those traits have less value. Not everyone will evolve.
It is okay to be skeptical of this guy. He's not a homerun hire but Stoops appears to be elated that he was able to pluck him from the NFL - so that's saying something. He's a known QB developer (if Levis takes it to the next level - look out), and he basically runs the same system with more experience. UK can continue to point to their NFL system and NFL coaches who get you ready for the league as a big time recruiting pitch for offensive recruits.
Nothing is perfect and I have been Stoops' biggest offensive critic out there. But Coen worked out fabulously and this guys is cut from the same mold so he gets the benefit of the doubt. Cautiously optimistic he can accelerate our QB development and pick up where Coen left off.
Nothing is perfect and I have been Stoops' biggest offensive critic out there. But Coen worked out fabulously and this guys is cut from the same mold so he gets the benefit of the doubt. Cautiously optimistic he can accelerate our QB development and pick up where Coen left off.
I was hopeful and excited for Dawson. Now? I am glad Stoops moved on quickly. No process is perfect, but Stoops is a better judge and has better contacts than just about everyone who posts in this forum.
Indeed. There are few, if any, who post here regularly who have the insight to critically analyze assistant football coaches. There are too many variables and virtually no one has the professional experience necessary, but so many are so sure of their opinions because they looked up their resume and heard some anonymous comments online.
Here is a little 2 min clip of him coaching.
gotta admit I enjoyed that. The fact that I didn’t understand anything he was saying is a good sign.
That photo looks like a mug shot from an Investigation Discovery segment.
Hopefully he brought the goods with him.
Joe may well thought of but he was flat out awful the one time I watched him the last time he came here with MSU. I remember joking during the game “ is this guy point shaving?!”
I pretty much agree with your post but isnt too early to say he is or isn't a homerun hire. He hasn't even started yet. That will be determined by the results on the field. Fan excitement or lack of doesn't mean anything.
He was not a great head coach. I think his playcalling at MSU was fine other than he didn't alter his offense to account for having an option QB.
His track record as an oc is phenomenal
I can't say I know anything about this dude, far from it. Looking at his past stops it can make you wonder a little bit, but the fact Kyle Shanahan must think highly enough of him since he has hired him three times now is all I really need to know to be sold
Yeah it felt like he was calling plays for different personnel
How can you say Jimmy G was great with NE? He barely played. He got mostly mop up duty.
He played quite a bit when Brady was out. Looked really good. Most thought he was the next big thing
....then he got traded. For a 3rd rounder. Unless you think that Belichick guy is a moron and shoulda got higher return.
He literally started two games, and got hurt, when Brady was suspended for deflate gate. He won those genes vs a non playoff Arizona cardinals and Miami dolphins
The Jimmy G lore was way overblown
That part is true. I couldnt believe he wasnt trying to use Fitzgerald (I think that's who it was) feet more who had killed us the year before. Just had him dropping back taking hits the whole game. Played right into us.
His inability to form his offense around the talent he inherited is a sign of his OC skills.
