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Awesome news. LFG.
You keep the WR coach, add these 49’er guys….GET SOME!
You keep the WR coach, add these 49’er guys….GET SOME!
I can give the best chef in the world a bag of rotten vegetables and he wouldn’t be able to make it into a fine dining experience. That doesn’t mean he’s a bad chef, just has bad ingredients. Same goes for coaches.
One thing I liked about this hire was Stoops was able to sneak it past the "We're seldom right but always first" crew of KY sports media. The diversion with the Arkansas asst was a nice touch.
As I've said many times, too many people derive their happiness in life by how negative they can be online. If they don't have something to gripe about, they just make something up.
But for those in here complaining, here's a dose of reality (though I know none of you will pay attention because it's easier for you to live in a fantasy world of anger).
Our offensive coordinator just got hired by the defending Super Bowl champs after 1 season. Our offensive line coach just got hired by Alabama. Our previous defensive coordinator was hired by Kansas City, one of the best franchises in the NFL. Our current defensive coordinator was offered the job at LSU, which just won a national championship 3 years ago. Our co-defensive coordinator was just hired as head coach at Troy, which has been pretty successful at identifying successful coaches. Our former DB coach was hired by Michigan, who then made the playoffs. Our assistant head coach/recruiting coordinator is one of the most well respected/successful coaches in college football.
So, Mark Stoops is pretty good at identifying coaching talent. He also had input from Coen, who as I said before, is such a rising star in the coaching ranks that he was hired to run the offense that just won the Super Bowl. All we hear about is the McVay coaching tree, and from that, he picked Coen to run his offense.
Sorry, but I'll trust all of those facts over the opinions of the negative Nancys.
But for those in here complaining, here's a dose of reality (though I know none of you will pay attention because it's easier for you to live in a fantasy world of anger).
Our offensive coordinator just got hired by the defending Super Bowl champs after 1 season. Our offensive line coach just got hired by Alabama. Our previous defensive coordinator was hired by Kansas City, one of the best franchises in the NFL. Our current defensive coordinator was offered the job at LSU, which just won a national championship 3 years ago. Our co-defensive coordinator was just hired as head coach at Troy, which has been pretty successful at identifying successful coaches. Our former DB coach was hired by Michigan, who then made the playoffs. Our assistant head coach/recruiting coordinator is one of the most well respected/successful coaches in college football.
So, Mark Stoops is pretty good at identifying coaching talent. He also had input from Coen, who as I said before, is such a rising star in the coaching ranks that he was hired to run the offense that just won the Super Bowl. All we hear about is the McVay coaching tree, and from that, he picked Coen to run his offense.
Sorry, but I'll trust all of those facts over the opinions of the negative Nancys.
I remember most of you saying similar things and not being impressed with Coen this time last year as well lol. This guy has a far better resume than Coen did coming in last year and he turned out to be a Homerun hire.
Not gonna say he didn't improve Jimmy G at all, he had probably his best season yet. He's a veteran who's been around a while now so I think he's about reached his ceiling. I'd like to see what he can do with someone who has room for improvement.
Yup, I'll trust Stoops and Company. And considering we just hired a guy who coached with him you have to think Stoops had the complete scoop on the guy.
No, there's not. He was only a Quality Control assistant in the NFL before he went to Wagner to be an OC
I would rather call my own plays than do analytics
Heck if that is the case, I'd say he has a pretty good source. If V. Marrow is where he gets his information I'd say its better than your source and better than 99% of the people on here and their sources.
I generally trust Stoops and I'm on board with this hire, but it's VERY concerning how many 49ers fans are saying "good riddance."
Now, that's not to say that most fans know a damn thing about intricacies of the game, but it's concerning that this sentiment is so widespread with a dude whose job has been to bounce from team to team for decades. Compare that to LA fans upset by Coen leaving a year ago, and again... Concerning.
I hope he kills it. I'm skeptical, but optimistic. Skoptimistic? Optical....
Now, that's not to say that most fans know a damn thing about intricacies of the game, but it's concerning that this sentiment is so widespread with a dude whose job has been to bounce from team to team for decades. Compare that to LA fans upset by Coen leaving a year ago, and again... Concerning.
I hope he kills it. I'm skeptical, but optimistic. Skoptimistic? Optical....
I like the OC also being the field general coach, that is definite plus. One of the biggest challenges when hiring a new coach is chemistry with the rest of the staff. CMS had the inside track on that as well with the new OL coach. I like that we stuck with the same general concept on offense, it kept teams off balance and it had some big play ability.
I noticed that too. Even alot of insinuating he wasn't even going to be around much longer because the staff reportedly wasn't sure they wanted to trust him with Burke's development
Jimmy g was great with new England. He came to SF and got worse every year. This in his contract year, arguably he was better but not by much. Certainly nothing to warrant the moniker if QB guru for this guy.
Pretty clear at this point rabbit in a hat was the sell job Jones was given. He might turn out great, but on paper we should've been able to do much, much better
IMO, they are blaming the coach for Jimmy G's shortcomings. JG is a good quarterback but like Carr, Cousins, Darnold, he can get rattled and throw a stupid pass. As long as the Niners Defense could hold a team, JG would play comfortable and pick them apart, if the defense couldn't hold the other team and JG was put in a lot of high pressure situations, you just sat back and waited for it to happen.
I am wondering how this is a rabbit out of the hat.
In a white room with black curtains.... at the station (Maybe they're endorsng THC and not CBD at KSR)?
That’s the exact reason MJ won’t say anything bad about the football program and will pump up anything. Wants to keep info train rolling and not piss off UK football.
I think his point, and it’s legitimate, is that Vince is always going to be ‘selling’ the brand so it’s always going to be positive and based around the brand narrative instead of it being an independent informed take. Nothing wrong with Vince doing that, it’s his job. At this point there’s nothing else to go on other than a very transient resume. It’s no fun to say it but my take is often ‘I guess we’ll see’.
I am neither excited nor disappointed in this hire. Stoops made a good decision with the choice of this offense. How much was Coen and how much was offensive scheme, which is pretty foreign to cfb, who knows. And that’s not a slight to Coen. We replace a lot on the offensive line and I’m as concerned about that as anything regarding this. But there’s no denying the resume is a little perplexing for a guy that’s 50.
Better not be or our ceiling is limited.
Wish granted…enter Will Levis 😉
As much as he improved in 2021, his ceiling is still so much higher. Hopefully, this new QB coach/OC can get him headed there.
I'll take your word for it. I've heard the JG sentiment a few times. If true, this dude could be a huge asset. Freddie Maggard's NFL connections seen to think this was a great hire, so I'm waiting to see how we perform next September with bated breath.
Agreed. It’s a great source about factual stuff like a coach leaving, a recruit committing. And in exchange Matt is their mouthpiece when they want to put out a narrative about something, like the OC being a great “young” coach. All media does it to some extent, he’s the most obvious cause he’s so phony all the time.
Again, this is an example that if you repeat internet misinformation enough, it somehow becomes "fact."
The idea that Jimmy G was great in New England and got worse when he went to SF is just nonsense. For starters he threw a total of 94 passes for New England over 3 years and never played more than 6 games in a season. That's simply not a big enough sample size for anyone to be considered "great."
In San Francisco, he had 2 seasons where he started the whole season (2019, 2021). In 2019, SF made the Super Bowl. In 2021 they lost in the NFC championship game, and very well could have beaten L.A. In those 2 season, he completed 69 and 68 percent of his passes. His QB ratings were 102 and 99, both well above average in the NFL.
1. When was Jimmy G great in New England...he was 3-0 when Brady served a suspension. We have no idea if Jimmy G would have been better in New England or the same that he turned in San Fran. In face all the evidence indicates he was always what he was....he had better tools early on at San Fran with a crazy good OL, All pro TE and some decent WR guys.
Freddie is going to “hyperbole” everything UK football related. This guy may turn out to be great but if we had hired Elliott Uzalec, Freddie would have found some way to celebrate the hire .
One thing I like about the guy is he's been around and has lots of experience whereas Coen, as good as he was (and he was good), was learning on the job. He just hadn't faced all the different things a defense could throw at him multiple times and didn't have a huge backlog of experience to rely on. LC was damn good and got better as the year progressed. Scangarello has a ton more experience and has seen, most likely, a little bit of everything so in-game adjustments and game planning shouldn't be a problem. He's played chess with the masters in the NFL for years. He ought to be able to figure out creative ways of scoring points in the college ranks. He'll have some top-notch tools to work with, also.
If he can recruit (and success will be a nice recruiting tool), I think he could be a great hire.
If he can recruit (and success will be a nice recruiting tool), I think he could be a great hire.
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I don't know, man. That other guy seemed to be pretty high on confidence, albeit low on details.
Who should we beleive?
His two QB's combined for 4400+ yards 25 tds 14 ints along with an appearance in the NFC championship game this past season 🤷♂️
Not sure how anyone can argue about Jimmy g at new England when tb was hurt. Looked every bit the part of Brady's heir apparent which is why San Fran went all in on him. He was virtually a sure thing.
Hell that's even worse. At least Jimmy g just went backwards and underperformed. Eagles QB situation was putrid.
Like another poster asked - can someone please tell me a QB he did develop? I honestly don't know one but could certainly just be unaware
Hell that's even worse. At least Jimmy g just went backwards and underperformed. Eagles QB situation was putrid.
Like another poster asked - can someone please tell me a QB he did develop? I honestly don't know one but could certainly just be unaware
As a lifelong Broncos fan, I’ll say he was the sacrificial lamb for some terrible GM work by the broncos front office.
I think this guy is exactly what Stoops wanted. He has NFL experience that he can sell on the recruiting trail, should be able to mesh well with the o line coach, players won’t have to learn a complete new system, and finally a guy that likely will still rely a lot on the run and use passing to set up the run game.
One thing I noticed about SF (at least during the playoffs), they used the middle of the field and their TEs a TON. Since I believe we'll have some definite advantages with our TE room and that can only lead to one-on-one matchups on the outside which leads me to think we'll be able to exploit both the middle and over the top. If we get the OL to perform at customary levels, this offense could be very, very good.
Not as sexy a hire as the Bengal's WR coach would have been but certainly a step up from the Arkansas TE coach. It does seem that Stoops has committed himself to a pro style which is the best part. Now we will need to break down SF's offense and see exactly what is different.
I think Coen was a rare bird in that he understood nuances of what the defense was trying to take away from him. He think early in the year he forced things a bit but when he calmed himself, calmed Levis, the offense was capable but also worked to not take chances that put the defense in a bind. I really would have loved to see the Coen/Levis connection after a year spent fine tuning the offense. It wasn't to be, like you, I'm anxiously waiting to see what we have. If the duo OC/OL brings some of that nastiness and creativity in the run game from the Niners, that will be a good starting point.
How old was Coach Rich Brooks? Not sure why age is a big deal. How about Norm Chow's age?
If you are the QB coach who works with Payton Manning and the OC runs the Wishbone.....that is not the QB coaches fault.
Does the QB coach call plays?
Does the QB coach decide who to draft?
He will be the OC and certainly questioning his capabilities and record as an OC is fair game. Blaming him for a QB he doesnt call plays for or have drafted is not fair IMO.
If you are the QB coach who works with Payton Manning and the OC runs the Wishbone.....that is not the QB coaches fault.
Does the QB coach call plays?
Does the QB coach decide who to draft?
He will be the OC and certainly questioning his capabilities and record as an OC is fair game. Blaming him for a QB he doesnt call plays for or have drafted is not fair IMO.
He's a grown ass man at this point. The coach can help him understand situations, can help him understand concepts of the play and variations from them, what he can't do is make him comfortable when the heat is on or make him take the sack of throw it away in situations. Jimmy G isn't a terrible QB but he will put his team in a bad spot from time to time.
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