The offense is the issue in recruiting. Watch other top “it“ teams play and compare to UK. Cal would have toothpick Holmgren down on the blocks.
We are so behind on offense
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I do get it tho.
People don't want to see a missed shot, offensive board, putback offense.
In terms of style points yeah sure it's lacking. At least in the half court.
You watch teams like Gonzaga and think why can't we do some of that stuff in our system.
People don't want to see a missed shot, offensive board, putback offense.
In terms of style points yeah sure it's lacking. At least in the half court.
You watch teams like Gonzaga and think why can't we do some of that stuff in our system.
Our offense was great 2/3 of the year when we got out in transition and Oscar cleaned the offensive glass. Cal reverted to his old ways though when injuries hit. He got scared. He could have used games through the year to develop a bench, but he didn’t. Then when we got everyone back, he stayed with the crawl ball. Our defense stunk all year. It was just boosted by a terrible non conference schedule against cupcakes.
Oh my how the goalposts keep moving in this thread.
First it was "the offensive is horrible" before it was pointed out it was top 5 nationally.
Then it was "well it was horrible the second half of the season" before it was pointed out it was actually top 3 the second half of the season.
Then it was "well it sure looked bad to me."
Now it's "Well it'll hurt recruiting" with hypothetical scenarios about how Cal would use a guy on Gonzaga.
Crazy the lengths people will go to not admit the offense was fine this year, it was the defense that was the problem.
Cal is terrified of teams he can't control. Since he promised sharpe free brand promotion, facilities and NIL money at UK without having to play, he had to revert to his old ways when wheeler and Washington got hurt. We went much of February essentially playing back to the basket offense with two non shooting bigs.
Why is that an issue? Harder to penetrate for wheeler as the defense is stuffed in the lane which lead to more turnovers, poorer shooting attempts and general complacency. We don't run OOB plays so we don't get easy buckets. Hell, we could barely inbound the ball late in the year. Coaching malpractice.
By the time tyty and wheeler were back, grady had as mentally and physically shot, our bigs were our showcase and threes were shunned. It's no wonder we lost so early.
Why is that an issue? Harder to penetrate for wheeler as the defense is stuffed in the lane which lead to more turnovers, poorer shooting attempts and general complacency. We don't run OOB plays so we don't get easy buckets. Hell, we could barely inbound the ball late in the year. Coaching malpractice.
By the time tyty and wheeler were back, grady had as mentally and physically shot, our bigs were our showcase and threes were shunned. It's no wonder we lost so early.
We became too reliant on Oscar.
But then again guys went missing. Grady wasn't shooting as well. Tyty wasn't shooting as well.
So we kind of went to that because we had to IMO.
Picked an awful time for guys to stop shooting
But then again guys went missing. Grady wasn't shooting as well. Tyty wasn't shooting as well.
So we kind of went to that because we had to IMO.
Picked an awful time for guys to stop shooting
The offensive statistics literally prove this is not at all what happened. Last month of the season we had a top 3 offense.
Going forward, I'm more concerned about getting the defensive number up than where the offense is currently at.
The scoreboard is the ultimate statistic and Kentucky went from scoring 81 PPG to 74 over the last 9 games. If you call that proven, well, good for you.
points per game is misleading.
Scoring 81 points in an 81 possession game = scoring 74 in a 74 possession game.
I'm not saying that's what happened because I'm sure there was some tail off offensively but from a points per possession stand point our offense really didn't drop at all.
Scoring 81 points in an 81 possession game = scoring 74 in a 74 possession game.
I'm not saying that's what happened because I'm sure there was some tail off offensively but from a points per possession stand point our offense really didn't drop at all.
There are lies, damn lies and statistics. Did some of you guys actually watch the games. There were about a dozen games this year where we would have 5-6 or 7 minutes scoring droughts where we didn't score a single basket. Then of course there were the half dozen games where we led by 4-6 points going into the last 4 minutes and failed to score more than a basket ( a hallmark of the Cal era the last 6 years). His offense first and foremost is predicated on players being able to create their own shot off the dribble, something that works only when you have players capable of doing it, something we haven't had in a while. This teams offense worked pretty well in transition, unfortunately our defense was so poor that we couldn't do that with any consistency. Cal either needs to change his offensive philosophy or recruit a lot of guys who can create their own shot, something he hasn't done in a couple of years.
FWIW if I filter the results from Feb 1st onward this is what I get
Adj Offensive Efficiency = 6th (so slightly drop off but nothing major)
Adj Defensive Efficiency = 97th
You can win with that first number.
The second number you're basically become a one sided team in the tournament. Teams that tend to get bounced early
Adj Offensive Efficiency = 6th (so slightly drop off but nothing major)
Adj Defensive Efficiency = 97th
You can win with that first number.
The second number you're basically become a one sided team in the tournament. Teams that tend to get bounced early
It's not the PPG, it's the drastic decline in scoring. 7 points is lot of points. Teams that score 74 PPG don't often win titles.
You completely missed the point. PPG itself is a completely meaningless stat unless you adjust for things like possessions per game, pace of the game, etc.
When you actually adjust for those variables we had an offense that ranked....3rd.
Or maybe we just played teams that slowed the pace down.
That's why that needs to be removed from the equation.
It's points per poss that's what matters.
When Grady and TyTy were making shots, our offense looked damn good. Throw in a big game from Brooks and we stomp ku in the phog. The secret to offense looking good, is making shots.
Show me where I wrote about the offense in this post other than Gonzaga and Memphis was fun to watch and recruits prefer a different style? I suppose I can attribute anything I want from random posts to you? If you think talented bigs today want to play back to the basket you clearly have no understanding of what elite recruits think the NBA is looking for.
every thread you comment in, I will assume you agreed with everything posted.
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Holmgren 7-0
Banchero 6-9
Duren 6-10
Smith (Auburn) 6-10
2021 top 4 bigs. How many play primarily low block back to the basket?
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We slowed the pace down. We became a more half court oriented team. You people can bring up whatever stat you want. The fact of the matter is Kentucky's offense at the end of the season became more stagnated. We didn't push the ball nearly as much as we had before those players got hurt.
The vast majority of the problem to end the season was the defense, but pretending that the offense didn't sputter down the stretch is dishonest. It is what it is though.
Possibly, but I don't know. I mean we had some misses but in general Cal has been able to recruit pretty well despite playing this style for the past 13 seasons. So maybe it's not that big of a factor.
We need someone to post all the games to youtube or something and then give us a chat room where we can discuss the games in a live chat. That would be interesting and fun. Also, a little heartbreaking as well.
Guys we got beat because TyTy & Grady went 3-19
They sucked against UT also - if they go 8-19 we win
Guys got to make shots
They sucked against UT also - if they go 8-19 we win
Guys got to make shots
Since the road loss at UT.
Numbers in parenthesis is where that ranked among all their opponents. So that first mark vs Bama is the best mark on their defense all season long.
vs Bama 1.41 ppp (1st) - we did this without our starting backcourt
vs LSU 1.10 ppp (4th) - same here.
vs Arkansas 1.06 ppp (11th)
vs Mississippi 1.32 ppp (2nd)
vs Florida 1.07 ppp (11th)
vs Vandy 1.13 ppp (6th)
vs UT 90.3 ppp (18th)
vs St. Peters 1.05 ppp (5th)
I think the offensive sputtering is highly misleading.
I will say our fast break offense did slow down a bit, but we didn't do as bad in the half court as much as some think.
Numbers in parenthesis is where that ranked among all their opponents. So that first mark vs Bama is the best mark on their defense all season long.
vs Bama 1.41 ppp (1st) - we did this without our starting backcourt
vs LSU 1.10 ppp (4th) - same here.
vs Arkansas 1.06 ppp (11th)
vs Mississippi 1.32 ppp (2nd)
vs Florida 1.07 ppp (11th)
vs Vandy 1.13 ppp (6th)
vs UT 90.3 ppp (18th)
vs St. Peters 1.05 ppp (5th)
I think the offensive sputtering is highly misleading.
I will say our fast break offense did slow down a bit, but we didn't do as bad in the half court as much as some think.
Holmgren 7-0 Gonzaga
Banchero- 6-9 Duke
Duren 6-10 Memphis
Smith 6-10 Auburn
Top 4 ”bigs” from 2021 recruits. How many play with their back to the basket as their primary offense? How many are still playing despite “inferior” coaches according to Cal defenders—3 with the only one out because they played one of the other bigs.
It's a good point. I mean it may have moved them away from us and to those teams.
With recruits it's just hard to know tho.
I think that would be way better than a game thread. It would definitely be fun.
No it’s not. That’s what the NBA tells them. That’s how they play. Tubby’s refusal to adapt and complete apathy to recruiting did him in.
Coach K used to play that way and his recruiting suffered. He changed (and didn’t piss off Nike) and look at Dukes recruiting the last 5-6 years.
Or maybe they saw we had Oscar and realized that maybe playing time might not be as available.
Oscar wasn’t scaring off any of those guys. That is freaking comiCAL.
oh god I hope Texas Tech pulls this out.
I can't see ND knocking off Duke but maybe Texas Tech can.
I can't see ND knocking off Duke but maybe Texas Tech can.
I don't know I think the national player of the year would have some sway on whether or not I choose a school lol.
Good thing Cal doesn't coach football, or he'd have us running the wishbone while everyone else is throwing the ball all over the field.
haha I don't want to get into this on the basketball board but the football offense to me is similar to the basketball one.
It's not high flying and good looking but it gets the job done lol.
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