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Watching the draft combine...top SGs according to Bilas...

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How does Winslow end up as the #1 SG? Ridiculous Jay.

What's funny is Jay has Devin as 2nd best......so really, Devin is the defacto #1 SG.

Quite a rise from not being sure if he should come out or not........

And ESPN just compared Devin to James Young and his time spent in the NBDL. IMO, its about the situation each player comes into, so Booker could come in and get minutes immediately for a team desperate for a shooter.

Jay's Top 5:

Winslow/Devin/RJ Hunter/Justin Anderson/Tyler Harvey

Sounds like a weak year for shooters.
 
Rhavicc said:
You're a weak year.
Really though, Winslow is an undersized PF, not a SG. I don't know of a scenario where he could have ever been called a SG.
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He's a big wing. He will play at small forward mostly but his athleticism and size allows him to play multiple positions.
 
Hoskins91 said:
He's a big wing. He will play at small forward mostly but his athleticism and size allows him to play multiple positions.
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He is shorter than Andrew Harrison without shoes (6'4 and a half measured at the combine, without shoes). That's not big, that's incredibly small for a 3 in the NBA, and a very average 2. He doesn't have the shooting and ball handling ability to play the 2 well, he doesn't have the size to compete against most 3's in the league. He'll likely have to play the SG position, which he's never played before. He has a ton of athleticism and finishing ability, but Booker has proven to be just as much of a finisher, while also being taller, and a much, much better shooter.
Winslow may face similar issues to James Young in the NBA.
 
Rhavicc said:
He is shorter than Andrew Harrison without shoes (6'4 and a half measured at the combine, without shoes). That's not big, that's incredibly small for a 3 in the NBA, and a very average 2. He doesn't have the shooting and ball handling ability to play the 2 well, he doesn't have the size to compete against most 3's in the league. He'll likely have to play the SG position, which he's never played before. He has a ton of athleticism and finishing ability, but Booker has proven to be just as much of a finisher, while also being taller, and a much, much better shooter.
Winslow may face similar issues to James Young in the NBA.
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Are you serious, Winslow's is way better then Booker, JW will be a star in the NBA.
 
Rhavicc said:
He is shorter than Andrew Harrison without shoes (6'4 and a half measured at the combine, without shoes). That's not big, that's incredibly small for a 3 in the NBA, and a very average 2. He doesn't have the shooting and ball handling ability to play the 2 well, he doesn't have the size to compete against most 3's in the league. He'll likely have to play the SG position, which he's never played before. He has a ton of athleticism and finishing ability, but Booker has proven to be just as much of a finisher, while also being taller, and a much, much better shooter.
Winslow may face similar issues to James Young in the NBA.
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He'll go much higher than Booker because he's proven to be a much better player already, and he has a much higher ceiling. He's only an inch shorter than MKG while having a similar build and wingspan. He's a wing.
 
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Winslow doesn't have the shooting? He shot 41% from deep last year.

He's a 2/3. He is 6'6 with shoes (remember the game is played with shoes on) strong and athletic. IMO, he's more then capable of guarding NBA wings. Hate to pump up a Dukie but I was very impressed with Winslow, most impressive Duke player when I watched the semifinal live at Lucas Oil.
 
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Just don't think hes a good enough shooter to be very successful on the next level. He too short to be a 3 and hes not a good enough shotter to be a 2.
 
Rocketman101 said:
Winslow has a ring how about Booker?
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I'm not arguing who the better player is, but what does winning a ring have anything to do with it?

Winning a ring doesn't automatically make one player better than the one who didn't win a ring. By that logic, Robert Horry is better than 99% of every player that's ever played in the NBA.
 
Not that he's in James Harden's class, but Winslow has a lot of Harden in his game. He's a big, strong lefty, he handles the ball exceptionally well, and he has a knack for beating guys off the dribble. As others have noted, he shot well from 3, and he contributes in a wide variety of ways (6+ rebounds per game, 2 assists, and had 52 steals and 34 blocks). If he can develop NBA 3 point range (maybe, maybe not), then he'll be a very useful player as a pro.
 
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Rhavicc said:
He is shorter than Andrew Harrison without shoes (6'4 and a half measured at the combine, without shoes). That's not big, that's incredibly small for a 3 in the NBA, and a very average 2. He doesn't have the shooting and ball handling ability to play the 2 well, he doesn't have the size to compete against most 3's in the league. He'll likely have to play the SG position, which he's never played before. He has a ton of athleticism and finishing ability, but Booker has proven to be just as much of a finisher, while also being taller, and a much, much better shooter.
Winslow may face similar issues to James Young in the NBA.
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I'm not sure I understand what issues James Young is facing. Young is a much better prospect. He's taller, better shooter, but he was really young on a really young team. So they stashed him in the D-League to develop.
 
Rocketman101 said:
Are you serious, Winslow's is way better then Booker, JW will be a star in the NBA.
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When did we start letting dookie trash on this board? Winslow won't sniff stardom. Too small to be a very competitive SF, won't touch the PF position, he can only go to his left hand to the rim. He can't dribble it well enough for the backcourt, and he has shot a very, very low amount of 3's in college. He played 10 more minutes per game than Booker, and shot quite a few less threes than Booker. His 41% doesn't carry much weight.


Hoskins91 said:
He'll go much higher than Booker because he's proven to be a much better player already, and he has a much higher ceiling. He's only an inch shorter than MKG while having a similar build and wingspan. He's a wing.
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You don't read, do you? MKG is 6'7.5, about 6'7 without shoes, and around 245# now. Winslow is 6'4.5 without shoes, and I don't think he even breaks 230#. He's way too small to play the 3 in the NBA. He'll get dominated if he does because of his lack of weight, height, length, and he can only be effective from his left hand. He used size and power to dominate the 3 in college, and speed, and ability to at least keep players honest on the perimeter to hold down the 4 in college. He will not be able to do either of those things in the NBA.
 
gossie21 said:
I'm not sure I understand what issues James Young is facing. Young is a much better prospect. He's taller, better shooter, but he was really young on a really young team. So they stashed him in the D-League to develop.
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Stashed or not, he needed to develop is my point. He could also only go to his left effectively, and like you mentioned, he's taller, and a better shooter than Winslow. Arguable more athletic. Only being able to go to the left in the NBA, and not being physically dominant (6'4.5 and less than 230# is not physically dominant btw), is not going to do Winslow any favors at all.
 
Rhavicc said:
When did we start letting dookie trash on this board? Winslow won't sniff stardom. Too small to be a very competitive SF, won't touch the PF position, he can only go to his left hand to the rim. He can't dribble it well enough for the backcourt, and he has shot a very, very low amount of 3's in college. He played 10 more minutes per game than Booker, and shot quite a few less threes than Booker. His 41% doesn't carry much weight.




You don't read, do you? MKG is 6'7.5, about 6'7 without shoes, and around 245# now. Winslow is 6'4.5 without shoes, and I don't think he even breaks 230#. He's way too small to play the 3 in the NBA. He'll get dominated if he does because of his lack of weight, height, length, and he can only be effective from his left hand. He used size and power to dominate the 3 in college, and speed, and ability to at least keep players honest on the perimeter to hold down the 4 in college. He will not be able to do either of those things in the NBA.
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I'm looking at his measurements from the combine. MKG is 6'5 without shoes, 6'7 with and was 233 lbs. As opposed to Winslow who is 6'4 without and 6'6 with and he is 222 lbs. Their standing reach is exactly the same. I don't think 10 lbs and an inch are that big of a deal, especially with his reach. He's already much farther along offensively than MKG was. I don't know if he'll be a star, but I'd definitely take him before Booker.
 
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Winslow doesn't have the shooting? He shot 41% from deep last year.

He's a 2/3. He is 6'6 with shoes (remember the game is played with shoes on) strong and athletic. IMO, he's more then capable of guarding NBA wings. Hate to pump up a Dukie but I was very impressed with Winslow, most impressive Duke player when I watched the semifinal live at Lucas Oil.
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So he gains 1.5" in height by wearing shoes? That seems like a pretty thick sole. Wouldn't all of the other players have at least a similar increase in height by wearing shoes?
 
Rhavicc said:
When did we start letting dookie trash on this board? Winslow won't sniff stardom. Too small to be a very competitive SF, won't touch the PF position, he can only go to his left hand to the rim. He can't dribble it well enough for the backcourt, and he has shot a very, very low amount of 3's in college. He played 10 more minutes per game than Booker, and shot quite a few less threes than Booker. His 41% doesn't carry much weight.




You don't read, do you? MKG is 6'7.5, about 6'7 without shoes, and around 245# now. Winslow is 6'4.5 without shoes, and I don't think he even breaks 230#. He's way too small to play the 3 in the NBA. He'll get dominated if he does because of his lack of weight, height, length, and he can only be effective from his left hand. He used size and power to dominate the 3 in college, and speed, and ability to at least keep players honest on the perimeter to hold down the 4 in college. He will not be able to do either of those things in the NBA.
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According to the 2012 nba combine results MKG is '6.5 3/4" without shoes 6.7 1/2" with shoes. Has a wingspan of 7'0 standing Verticle reach of 8.8 1/2" 32" Verticle standing still and running Verticle of 35.5"


I guess MKG has some Cole Aldrich shoes on. I think these players need to start wearing those stack shoes like the Japanese girls wear. That's why I always go off of bare feet stats and not shoes. You could wear painter stilts snd be '12 tall
Now Winslow is wearing some extra tall shoes
6.4 1/2" without shoes and 6.6 1/2" with shoes, now I need to get some of these extra tall shoes and maybe put a few stacks of cards in em to get myself 6'5". Shoot why stop their lets push it to 7'. Winslow is clearly shorter than MKG, but neither guy is as tall as many want you to believe. Winslow's arm length is a good bit shorter 6.10 1/4" than MKG but that is expected but his standing reach is just as much 8.8 1/2". Maybe MKG has wider shoulders?
 
Usually guys who say measure your height with shoes on are the ones who tell girls they are xyz height when in reality they are much shorter.
Would be like a girl tell u she has DD boobs when in reality it's nothing but padding and she is just barely a b cup. Same principle. Maybe that analogy would sink in to the false advertisement.
 
As of right now I would draft Winslow ahead of Booker. Booker had some really good games in the middle of the season and that was where it ended. I want somebody to be more consistent and a better defender. Winslow shoots it decently and is a better slasher and finisher as well as a better rebounder.
After watching dukes guys individually you can see why the won the title. All the guys played well and if 1 guy did not they had another come in and play even better. If we had that kind of play consistently in the FF then we would have won. But we did not have anybody step up when our vets stepped down. Looking at u WCS.
 
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Winslow has the ability to play SG. Yes, his handle needs work and he's not that creative off the bounce, but he shot it at an elite level from 3 and his elite athleticism + instincts will allow him to guard anyone on the perimeter.

Winslow was the main reason Duke won the title. Out of position, dude just demolished teams on both ends.
 
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LOL Winslow is going to go around 7-12 and Booker will go 10-15 but Winslow is sooo much better . what a moron this rocket fool is . Booker is a SG , Winslow is SF . Winslow is a very good player , as is Booker . Neither are all world but both are lottery picks .
 
Hoskins91 said:
I'm looking at his measurements from the combine. MKG is 6'5 without shoes, 6'7 with and was 233 lbs. As opposed to Winslow who is 6'4 without and 6'6 with and he is 222 lbs. Their standing reach is exactly the same. I don't think 10 lbs and an inch are that big of a deal, especially with his reach. He's already much farther along offensively than MKG was. I don't know if he'll be a star, but I'd definitely take him before Booker.
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10 pounds is quite a bit at the small forward. Also going to have to wonder how much more Winslow will gain. All that said, MKG has always been more athletic, and has always been a better defender than Winslow.
MKG had a go-to scoring ability out of college, Winslow doesn't. Winslow is decent at a lot of things, but not terrific at anything other than finishing in transition, which is just another thing MKG could do very, very well. As mentioned, Winslow went to the left, and used power in college. MKG is a much, much better slasher, could always go to the basket with both hands, and adjust his body to finish shots with finesse, as well as overpowering certain players.
Winslow will struggle in the NBA because of his lack of skill and go-to ability, as well as his lack of size. At least Booker is a consistent shooter, with better size, very good athleticism, and due to all of that, as well as his terrific shooting form, the ability to become an even better shooter.
I would definitely take Booker at the shooting guard position. Winslow being somewhat of a superior athlete isn't enough for me to pass up the upside and instant impact that Booker brings. Booker will likely bring in more impact as a SG than Winslow will bring in as a SF.
 
5iveStarRecruit said:
Winslow has the ability to play SG. Yes, his handle needs work and he's not that creative off the bounce, but he shot it at an elite level from 3 and his elite athleticism + instincts will allow him to guard anyone on the perimeter.

Winslow was the main reason Duke won the title. Out of position, dude just demolished teams on both ends.
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> His volume of threes was low though, especially for a player who got as much playing time as Winslow.

> It's not just his lack of creativity off the bounce, it was also his inability to use his right hand well. Against NBA players, that predictability, along with his raw ball handling and bland skillset will hurt Winslow a lot.

Like I said, lack of a real go-to move. I won't be even slightly shocked if he sees d-league time.
 
Booker is going to make UK fans insane at the next level. Why oh why was he not on the floor the last 4 minutes against Wisconsin?
 
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> His volume of threes was low though, especially for a player who got as much playing time as Winslow.

> It's not just his lack of creativity off the bounce, it was also his inability to use his right hand well. Against NBA players, that predictability, along with his raw ball handling and bland skillset will hurt Winslow a lot.

Like I said, lack of a real go-to move. I won't be even slightly shocked if he sees d-league time.
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Now here is someone who actually watches the NBA. I could not agree more. I won't be surprised if Winslow is not a lottery pick. But then the idiot in Philly might take him at #4. Who knows.
 
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