True. But, LBJ was never near the pro MJ was. Never.
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This comes up alot. Nobody is changing their mind on the topic either. I will say this.... Name one thing honestly that mj could do on the court that lebron couldn't... Now ask the reverse of that. You will find lebron could do things Jordan couldn't. Mj is a winner at all cost, but people blow him out of proportion
The worry about Wemby, as a cant-miss prospect, has never really been IF he can play at this level.. because international basketball has become exponentially better since the Darko days..
It's more so that, do you trust his frame to last? We saw Chet go down with an injury last year, we saw what happened with Greg Oden, we watch a player like Jokic play this sort of "old school" light-on-athleticism game which keeps him available.. and it makes you wonder if a guy who is 7-5, already with mileage playing professionally, can play 65-game NBA seasons.
It's more so that, do you trust his frame to last? We saw Chet go down with an injury last year, we saw what happened with Greg Oden, we watch a player like Jokic play this sort of "old school" light-on-athleticism game which keeps him available.. and it makes you wonder if a guy who is 7-5, already with mileage playing professionally, can play 65-game NBA seasons.
No way Jordan would have taken the Cavs to the finals in 2007. That’s the big difference for me
You have never seen a less than 30% three point shooter miss? Or have never seen a player follow their shot?
Granted, he is extremely tall. How is that going to work out when he puts the ball on the floor, as he likes to dribble? That is a long way for the ball to travel, providing a lot of time for small guards to steal the ball.
If he keeps the ball off the floor, and an even bigger IF he can remain healthy he will be fine. The more likely IF is that some 240 pound players will push him all over the floor. He is physically deformed to be that tall and that thin. Beyond what a human body is designed to carry safely. Unless the NBA protects him (which they will try), he won't last 3 seasons. Not that I would not have drafted him first. You had to.
I think his potential is off the charts, main problem is guys his size usually end up having tons of medical problems.
Please show me another example ever of a player following up his own falling away deep three point attempt with a putback dunk …and while making it look absurdly effortless and easy.
If you don’t understand why that was an amazingly unusual play then you don’t understand basketball particularly well.
Definitely agree with this . There is nothing wrong with saying MJ is the goat . But saying Lebron is nowhere near MJ as a pro . Well the conversations about Lebron proves he is .
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True.
Akron SVSM Lebron vs. Wilmington EA Lainey Jordan would have been dominated by Lebron.
185lb Jordan would have had no answer and he wasn't near the shotmaker that he was as a pro.
A top tier French league team would wipe the floor with any college or high school team. The team that won that league this year has several former NBA players and college stars that never made the NBA.
Former NBAers who actually played a decent bit
Former NBA scrubs. But hey they still made the NBA, which is more than 99.9% of D1 players can say they did
Other notables
Former NBAers who actually played a decent bit
- Mike James - Played in 58 games (regular season and playoffs) with 11 starts while averaging 18.8 minutes a game in three seasons. In his one season in Phoenix, he played in 31 games with 10 starts while averaging 20.9 minutes and 10.4 points a game. One of the most successful American imports into Europe over the last decade. All Euro League twice, which is the top league the spans all of Europe, and 2x Greek League MVP. Has also won 6 championships in Europe as the best or one of the best players on his team.
- Donatas Motiejūnas - 20th pick in 2011. Played in 251 games with 101 starts averaging 18.2 minutes per game over 6 seasons. Had a career best 12.0 points and 5.9 boards in 28.7 minutes with Houston in 2015. Member of the Lithuanian national team, which is normally one of the best national teams/
- Elie Okobo - 31st pick in 2018 draft. Played in 108 games over two season with 19 starts, averaging 15.5 minutes a game. Named MVP of the the French Cup this year and was the French League Finals MVP in 2022
Former NBA scrubs. But hey they still made the NBA, which is more than 99.9% of D1 players can say they did
- Chima Moneke
- Jordan Loyd - former G League first teamer though . Named MVP of the French League Finals this year
- Jarron Blossongame - 2x All-ACC and former G League third teamer
- Donta Hall - 2x All-SEC Defensive team at Alabama, for G League second teamer and all defensive team
Other notables
- John Brown - two time honorable mention All-American and Big South Player of the Year at High Point
- Alpha Diallo - 2x All Big East
I agree.
Now will he be a top 5 all-time? I doubt it, just playing the odds.
Even a HOF is far from a lock.
But I do think he will at least be a multiple-time all-star, barring Bowie/Oden injuries.
Homgren on the other hand, yeah the OP may be correct on him, but maybe not. I think the NBA has gotten so soft, even he could florish if he can stay healthy and not snap like a twig.
I hate the "Goat" arguments. You can't compare players from different eras. Don't believe me? Ask MJ himself. Tom Brady wouldn't last five games in Johnny Unitas's era. And vice versa. Modern baseball players would die if they had to ride trains and play double headers constantly. Nolan Ryan once threw 240 pitches in one game. Lebron would have to be carried off the floor if he played against the Bad Boy Pistons. Just call them the GOHT....Greatest of his time
It always makes me laugh when people on message boards think they know more than scouts who actually watch the kid play for hundreds of hours. Not to mention other players whom they can compare him. It’s OK to not have a take on everything and admit people who do this for a living know more than you.
He's 19 playing in the best pro league in France. Another player from his team was drafted. You seem to have an agenda with this, which is fine, but I'd be happy to place a bet with you.
No way Jordan would have lost to a very old Mavericks team playing with Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh both in their prime.
Yeah, how dare he be compared to a generational talent. I'm not the biggest LBJ fan, but he's a very very good basketball player.
Thank you. That finals performance pretty much put the conversation to bed. Would love to see late 30s year old Jason Terry try and embarrass a prime MJ like he did the Heat.
this might replace the chicken or egg argument as the most cited. I feel LeBron is the GOAT, but recognize other opinions as this is impossible to measure. I don't understand the LBJ hate, though. MJ was a much bigger asshat that LeBron could ever be.
Dude looks really skilled to me. I've never seen anything like it. 7'5 Point guard with an 8 foot wing span. If he stays healthy and builds some muscle he will be a generational player.
No one has seen anyone like him. The floor for this kid is, I don’t know, a Sam Bowie or a Greg Oden. The ceiling is a taller version of a hybrid of Giannis and Durant.
HS kids vs grown men/pro's. Big, big difference. Meaning, LBJ was dominating HS kids....THis dude is dominating grown ass men.
Giannis has improved his shooting so much since he started, but Victor is way more advanced from the perimeter shooting than he was to start.
No they don’t, MJ could do everything on the court and had the best body control ever. He could finish better than Lebron even. He was a true 2 way star, and his mental game was leaps ahead of anyone. He’s the GOAT.
It’s all about health with him. 7 footers that tall don’t stay healthy usually.
The math isn’t working out here. VW is 7’4” If someone 6’10” is guarding him, wouldn’t that be 5 inches difference?
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Did you just try to correct his math with more bad math?
The difference between 6’10” and 7’4” is 6 inches, not 5.
Some y'all been lying to women about what 6" is too much. Can't tell yourselves anymore. 😆
Name the 18 year old seven footers that have put up big stats in a top pro league...I'll wait.
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