UNCheat response to 3rd NOA.
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DiverDownBrian wrote: Jeff Gravley @jgravleyWRAL
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Today at 3, @UNC will respond to their 3rd response to the #NCAA. A redacted version of the response will be posted.
Per packpride board...
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Today at 3, @UNC will respond to their 3rd response to the #NCAA. A redacted version of the response will be posted.
Per packpride board...
Wow at the last statement in the opening summary:
"A challenge for this Panel will be to make a decision on the record and to avoid being influenced by media reports, commentary from various sources (including Mark Emmert, the President of the NCAA)2 and the investigative reports that reviewed these matters from perspectives unrelated to whether there have been NCAA rules violations. The record establishes that there is no bylaw violation by the University as alleged in allegations 1 and 5."
"A challenge for this Panel will be to make a decision on the record and to avoid being influenced by media reports, commentary from various sources (including Mark Emmert, the President of the NCAA)2 and the investigative reports that reviewed these matters from perspectives unrelated to whether there have been NCAA rules violations. The record establishes that there is no bylaw violation by the University as alleged in allegations 1 and 5."
So a UNC person is questioning why UNC would even attempt to say this is purely academic? Just making sure I understand this response correctly.
They're saying academic fraud at UNC aint none of the NCAA's business. This should go over well with Sankey.
Oh, boy. Good luck to them for this. That's a bad way to approach something. REALLY bad. lol
Thank you for the clarification.
If it isn't a NCAA matter, is it a University matter? Wonder why they didn't self-discipline for using players who should have been ineligible?
Yeah, we cheated worse than anyone ever, it looks really bad, and we cant actually defend that, but technically we didn't break any bylaw.
Too bad they played thousands of athletes that should've been academically ineligible.
I understand the "argument" although I don't think it holds much water. They are stating anyone could have benefited academically so we shouldn't get in trouble athletically. I get it...but if you have a class of 199 students and 1 student/athlete and that student/athlete gets treatment that included grade changes, not showing up and still getting passing grades, someone writing papers for them then that student/athlete is retroactively ineligible. Even though everyone could have benefited only a select few did who were apparently singled out by the system to keep them eligible.
Syracuse got busted for not enforcing their own drug policy. The NCAA has no policy for illegal drugs, they let each member institution set their own. They didnt violate any NCAA bylaw and still got popped. UNC isn't getting out of this.
The NCAA's nonprofit status along with amateurism are at stake if they have no jurisdiction over athletes' academics. After all, they compensate athletes in the form of a scholarship.
lol how is emmertt an outside source for ncaa rules? he's the frickin president of the ncaa.
And let's not forget Crowder's infamous email to Walden, "i've added several non athletics this week so I'm comfortable adding him". Kind of nullifies their argument.
Not to mention the angst that the frat circuit had found out about the classes.
Not to mention the angst that the frat circuit had found out about the classes.
This is a defining moment in the NCAA's effort to keep the word "student" in student-athlete. It strikes at the very heart of the NCAA's mission, that is, to ensure that athletes who are "amateur" are eligible academically. The NCAA is a member-institution association, and this is what has leveled the playing field so that smaller schools can be somewhat competitive against large schools; that rules are followed to make it fair for all.
If uncheat gets away with this, imho the NCAA has started down the road of paid players and club teams made up of non-student athletes. A very slippery slope indeed.
I think Sankey and others want to keep college players amateur, and will drop the hammer on uncheat despite the heavy lawyering by the cheats.
If uncheat gets away with this, imho the NCAA has started down the road of paid players and club teams made up of non-student athletes. A very slippery slope indeed.
I think Sankey and others want to keep college players amateur, and will drop the hammer on uncheat despite the heavy lawyering by the cheats.
This is an academic problem. The courses were a sham.
Athletes took these courses. Therefore their transcripts include sham grades.
Sham grades=ineligible players.
I'll send my bill for settling this to the NCAA. You're welcome Mark.
Athletes took these courses. Therefore their transcripts include sham grades.
Sham grades=ineligible players.
I'll send my bill for settling this to the NCAA. You're welcome Mark.
If the NCAA allows UNC to "win" based on the argument that the classes are non of the NCAA's concern...oh boy, that opens up a TON of potential issues for other schools to do the same.
I truly admire their "ballsy" approach, but good Lord...are you kidding me?! Are they truly that arrogant?
If academics at the university is not the concern of the ncaa, then neither should be the academics of high school applicants to those schools. It's ridiculous to go over every transcript of a recruit with a fine-toothed comb, and throw out SAT scores that have not been proven fraudulent, and then take a totally hands-off approach once they matriculate.
If their argument is that it is an academic issue and not an athletic issue then what would keep ANY school from offering no show classes for EVERYONE just so that athletes would pass. The athletes would have to be pushed to those classes.
Come on folks UNC grasping here but hopefully the NCAA lowers the boom. I say if they do it will be all sports except men's basketball.
I am sure Bilas and Vitale will be on ESPN justifying it.
Come on folks UNC grasping here but hopefully the NCAA lowers the boom. I say if they do it will be all sports except men's basketball.
I am sure Bilas and Vitale will be on ESPN justifying it.
Wow. What load of crap. I hope they nail them to the wall, just for having the audacity of submitting this garbage.
Lmao.
I know you're not old but I like to think of you as an ancient prophet who has studied all of the old scrolls and can cite them verse for verse. And the scrolls all happen to be about the UNC scandal.
"See here, my people - in the fifth line of the fourteenth scroll - the parable of the illiterate laborer who knew not Swahili."
Absolutely they are. Biggest dbag program in college sports and I can't wait until the guillotine comes down.
Wow! UNC drawing a line in the sand and daring the NCAA to cross it! If there is any justice on this earth, these cheating POS will be smacked down like No one in NCAA history. 2 titles, at a minimum, ought to be vacated---arguably 3. They should have never been eligible to compete the last 2 years, but what is done is done--and apparently those kids were actually on the straight and narrow...please Sanky and COI hammer these POS! Hammer them into oblivion
Not to mention the $$ we took in that we would not have been awarded without the academic conduct we decided to implement in the 80s.
What a load of crock! Ignore everyone and everything outside this bubble and let us police ourselves, which we will not do!
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No more delays and no more appeals.
After 3 decades, isn't it time for the adults in the room to take their medicine? Just because UNC has removed anyone from current employment doesn't make this a justification to just letting them keep playing for $$ and wins.
The culture was not to be modified, per Dean Smith himself. It only became obvious after a leaked transcript and then the rats started scrambling shutting down any records? Sounds very transparent to me.
After 3 decades, isn't it time for the adults in the room to take their medicine? Just because UNC has removed anyone from current employment doesn't make this a justification to just letting them keep playing for $$ and wins.
The culture was not to be modified, per Dean Smith himself. It only became obvious after a leaked transcript and then the rats started scrambling shutting down any records? Sounds very transparent to me.
If these cheaters get by with just a slap on the wrist then the rest of the schools should just pull out of the NCAA.
LMAO they spent over 20 million in lawyers fees for that garbage!! Thems
Some dumb SOB's almost as dumb as they are arrogant !!
Some dumb SOB's almost as dumb as they are arrogant !!
I used to think that Louisville was a bad fit for the ACC. Now I'm not so sure:
UNC claims School of Government is a law enforcement agency to withhold public records
UNC claims School of Government is a law enforcement agency to withhold public records
If they get by with nothing or a slap on the wrist, there will be no more NCAA when Jenkins steamrolls them in the ninth circuit, where O'Bannon already beat them.
