UNCheat response to 3rd NOA.
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Battle lines between UNC, NCAA never drawn more sharply – DeCockhttp://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/luke-decock/article152660089.html
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Why would your admire them for criminal and scumbag activities and their gutless response to it all? That's nothing to be admired.
I guess they'll have to take the death mask of Dean McDicknose out from Emmert's boxers?
I don't begrudge UNC or anyone else putting up a strong fight when faced with sanctions, but I remain completely dumbfounded that the university faculty and administration are willing to go along with characterizing this as an academic scandal rather than an athletics scandal.
When you're the most self-righteous sanctimonious pricks in sports, I sure as hell begrudge their stallball actions and BS. They're hypocrites to the highest degree. And cheaters- blatant frauds.
So I begrudge the hell out of them.
This was a strong response from UNC, unfortunately. Looks like the Sidley Austin fees were money well spent.
As I read the latest report from the filth in NC, I think I can summarize it in just a few words.
Basically: NCAA STFU. It's none of your damn business what we do in a classroom.
End summary
No denial. No contrition. No acknowledgement.
If the NCAA leaves anything less than a smoking stinking hole in that vile muck filled pus spewing institution, the NCAA is no longer fit to lead. NC should not be penalized. They should be obliterated.
Basically: NCAA STFU. It's none of your damn business what we do in a classroom.
End summary
No denial. No contrition. No acknowledgement.
If the NCAA leaves anything less than a smoking stinking hole in that vile muck filled pus spewing institution, the NCAA is no longer fit to lead. NC should not be penalized. They should be obliterated.
Did everyone just forget they got cars and got to smoke weed in a house owned by Roy Williams?
Just proves they are willing to trash their own academic reputation to preserve men's basketball wins.
they really have no choice
any admission or contrition at this point will put wins and scholarships in jeopardy. Their only option is to say that the NCAA has no right to tell us how to educate our students as volunteer members of their organization and hope the NCAA caves.
On the other hand, the NCAA after the 3rd NOA has to go hard or go home. They can't say allege this stuff happened with a self reported document provided by UNC as proof and then let UNC off with anything less than Syracuse or even Memphis.
It would seem neither sees any room for compromise.
I think UNC is telling the NCAA don't give the people who want their pound of flesh what they want with the references to the media. They know thousands of people want UNC to get nailed and Sankey is holding the hammer.
any admission or contrition at this point will put wins and scholarships in jeopardy. Their only option is to say that the NCAA has no right to tell us how to educate our students as volunteer members of their organization and hope the NCAA caves.
On the other hand, the NCAA after the 3rd NOA has to go hard or go home. They can't say allege this stuff happened with a self reported document provided by UNC as proof and then let UNC off with anything less than Syracuse or even Memphis.
It would seem neither sees any room for compromise.
I think UNC is telling the NCAA don't give the people who want their pound of flesh what they want with the references to the media. They know thousands of people want UNC to get nailed and Sankey is holding the hammer.
at what point could they salvage their academic reputation? It was ruined the moment they admitted they had , not just 1 or 2 classes but an entire no-show academic major - regardless of who took the classes.
I used to think they were trashing their academics to save athletics but it isn't an either or situation. Academics is trashed. Assuming the NCAA has any backbone and integrity, athletics will be as well.
What I do not understand is that their Chancellor said it was an academic and athletic scandal and then go this route. Makes you wonder who is in charge .
If we had done something like this, the NCAA would of buried us in less than three years.
The media in less than three minutes.
It does sound like a pity thing, but for real!!!
If this was done at Kentucky the media would have destroyed us and nothing would have been buried...
The Thomas Fats cars, the weed and former player living in Roy's house... that's all been brushed under the rug successfully and those sounded like major violations alone to me.
UNC needs to have multiple banners vacated for playing ineligible players.
This is the worst cheating scandal i think in all of college athletics history, 30 years of fraud to keep athletes eligible.
Schools like UofL and UK, i will admit, we don't need fake classes because they classes are not hard lol.. .I went to UofL, the first 2 years were a joke, easier then my high school education. Michael Bush went to UofL because that was one of the few schools he could get into with his super low test scores. I'm just showing that their other argument that "all schools do it" is far from true. Not all schools are academically as strenuous as Duke and UNC which are close to the ivy league levels.
If this was done at Kentucky the media would have destroyed us and nothing would have been buried...
The Thomas Fats cars, the weed and former player living in Roy's house... that's all been brushed under the rug successfully and those sounded like major violations alone to me.
UNC needs to have multiple banners vacated for playing ineligible players.
This is the worst cheating scandal i think in all of college athletics history, 30 years of fraud to keep athletes eligible.
Schools like UofL and UK, i will admit, we don't need fake classes because they classes are not hard lol.. .I went to UofL, the first 2 years were a joke, easier then my high school education. Michael Bush went to UofL because that was one of the few schools he could get into with his super low test scores. I'm just showing that their other argument that "all schools do it" is far from true. Not all schools are academically as strenuous as Duke and UNC which are close to the ivy league levels.
That probation was the strongest punishment that SACS could assess, short of yanking their accreditation. That fact alone means more than just easy classes, but entirely fake ones that were created to keep athletes eligible.
Academics or athletics it makes no difference both are driven by money.The college education of today is not the college education of the 70's or 80's or even the 90's.If one is not in a specialized field(to be a MD,Lawyer or some other specific professional) then you are wasting your time in college.If you have a pulse and enough money to pay tuition,books ,room and board you can graduate with a 3.0 or so,they will find majors and classes to assure they can keep you there.
Well it should have been pulled for a few years. That one year meant nothing to them.
I'm definitely not schooled on the legalities of eligibility, but I've always wondered... If the fake classes have been ruled fraudulent, and players took those classes. Well, were there any players that just "made the grade" for eligibility in a given semester? And if so, taking away that fraudulent class would in turn make them ineligible...right? Meaning you played an ineligible player? And if so, wins go down the drain and possibly titles. Yes????
There will be no NCAA if they aren't hammered. This is all to save the myth of Dean E. Smith, the biggest cheater in the history of college athletics. It is quite obvious there is NO CARE for the student athlete at UNCheat.
Not at all. If they were, and if the NCAA "Knew it", they would amend the NOA, yet they told UNC to go piss up a tree after Crowder's interview. UNC knows they're going to get hammered. Their only hope is that this doesn't get dismissed when they file suit, which it likely will. When is the last time a court intervened in a private matter between a voluntary member and their governing body? And did the institution overstep their boundaries and break bylaws? The NCAA has not done that in this case. If you disagree, tell me which bylaw.
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Horrible take! Unc is not on strong legal ground. They r a voluntary member of a member run organization. There is nothing illegal going on except Unc playing otherwise ineligible player and winning at least 3 titles with those players! Carolina way! Gimme a break
What's ironic with the UNC standard of higher academics is I don't ever recall elite players ever having an issue getting players' eligible.
Now everyone knows they made MAJOR exceptions to their entrance requirements. Never a SAT scandal to speak of. We know there have been players short of a full deck of common sense.
I would love for the NCAA to come out with a chart of student athletes who showed eligibility issues without the sham classes and how many of those student athletes took more than the allowed sham classes.
That would put it in black and white and totally expose this scandal.
UNC loves the Auburn argument in that they escaped their football scandal despite fraud classes. Since the NCAA treats each scandal differently, there is no justification to compare.
Now everyone knows they made MAJOR exceptions to their entrance requirements. Never a SAT scandal to speak of. We know there have been players short of a full deck of common sense.
I would love for the NCAA to come out with a chart of student athletes who showed eligibility issues without the sham classes and how many of those student athletes took more than the allowed sham classes.
That would put it in black and white and totally expose this scandal.
UNC loves the Auburn argument in that they escaped their football scandal despite fraud classes. Since the NCAA treats each scandal differently, there is no justification to compare.
We already know 2 of them, Peppers and McCants. We saw their transcripts. Right is enough to take the whole season of 05 and 09. Including the nattys
How can this be on the 4th page !! I wonder what the NCAA is saying to themselves now ? How can we save UNCHeat ? or how hard do we hammer those cheating SOB's !!!!
Greg Sankey isn't going to let them slide. The hammer is coming.
If they slide, Memphis can sue to get their wins reinstated. If academics matter not, why punish them for playing a player that may or may not have cheated on a test PRIOR to enrolling in college? It all goes to eligibility. I'm hoping the NCAA crushes those pretentious d-bags.
We were typing the same thought at the same time,are we the only ones who have figured this out,probably not.
UNC clearly thinks they did not play ineligible players
matter of fact they spent billions and risked the reputation to be able to say they didn't with a semi straight face
that is until their AD said by anyones standards their classes were a fraud but they didn't break NCAA rules.
matter of fact they spent billions and risked the reputation to be able to say they didn't with a semi straight face
that is until their AD said by anyones standards their classes were a fraud but they didn't break NCAA rules.
