To my recollection I believe it was generated by UK fans then I’m sure UL fans latched on at some point. But it got to be out there enough that stoops addressed the rumors going around about him publicly, obviously without specifying what they were, and blamed it on UL probably just to assist in his recruiting narrative to parents that it wasn’t the fans turning on him.
Tough time to terminate Stoops
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Kentucky has scheduled a Board meeting for Sunday morning at 9 am per @Pete Thamel. Could this be the end of the Stoops era in Lexington?
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The last 3 seasons have been so bad I can't take a 4th next year is going to get really ugly
This is the first year he can't feast on a bunch of shit teams for 7 wins and tip his cap walking into the locker room. He sees the writing on the wall and knows that if the SEC goes to 9 games he's toast.
There should be a gentleman's settlement or the risk of firing for cause (NCAA violations) to get the program moving in the right direction. Does Mitch have the guts for it though? I doubt it.
We’ve always played 3 cupcakes, UofL and 8 conference games. This year is no different than previous years
Ok, at least stop the ignorance about Stoops causing the violations. He had zero to do with it. You should be mad at CRod since he was the primary culprit.
That might change if they make football players(or even all athletes)employees.
I suspect the average age of fans calling for Stoops to get fired now is below 30 because anyone who has been a fan since the Claiborne era, or thereabouts, knows that even after this substandard year we are still 1-2 standard deviations above mean. That opinion seems rash and lacks historical perspective. I would forgive anyone who started their fandom during the Stoops regime.
Having said that, I am not trying to diminish the feeling of deep frustration, as I am right there with you, but I am not giving up hope. I will still watch every game and will be looking for some hope in the effort of the players and their desire to get the ship turned around. Stoops deserves another season, even if we could afford to fire him and I suspect the feeling of being trapped by an insurmountable buyout may contribute to the frustration.
It will be interesting to see if Stoops walks away, but I think that is not likely, as he will want to walk out after a good season to cement his legacy here and he deserves that.
Having said that, I am not trying to diminish the feeling of deep frustration, as I am right there with you, but I am not giving up hope. I will still watch every game and will be looking for some hope in the effort of the players and their desire to get the ship turned around. Stoops deserves another season, even if we could afford to fire him and I suspect the feeling of being trapped by an insurmountable buyout may contribute to the frustration.
It will be interesting to see if Stoops walks away, but I think that is not likely, as he will want to walk out after a good season to cement his legacy here and he deserves that.
Well, I'm well over 30 (more than twice that - lol) and I think it is time to move on! I also wanted Joker to be head coach - and wanted him gone before the second season - let alone the third season! If you follow football you can see when things are not going right with a team as to coaching. Coach Stoops was a good choice at the time of his hire. He was the right coach for many years - but it is more than obvious that this team has a lot of issues - and the issues are not talent based! If not talent - then is it coaching? YES!
Can you give an example - YES. Game planning and execution. South Carolina woke us up - was it talent or was it coaching? We played well against Georgia and Ole Miss - was it talent or was it coaching? It works both ways - I understand that. But the last 3 games - again was it coaching or was it talent? Multiple penalities - is it coaching or is it talent? Personal fouls and unsportsmanlike conduct - is that talent or is it coaching? (discipline). And then there is the issue of sideline in game decisions that must be made quickly and competently.
Unfortunately, coaching is both good and bad. Coaches set precedences. Can I blame Stoops for wanting the A & M job? NO! Just look at where A & M is right now! But it also sent a message to the players, the fans and the other coaches of what he truly thought and thinks about Kentucky football. He lost a lot of good will with the team and fans with that situation. Many other factors are at play of course.
If it is coaching - then we shall see if we still have the right guy the next 4 weeks. We need an easy win over Murray. We need to be super competitive in all three of the other games - if we have the right coach - that will happen. If not, we will get blown out and look bad. You see, we already know we have enough talent to be competitive. We saw that in the Georgia and Ole Miss games!
Go Big Blue!
I don't think that's the case. I think it's people (I'm 48 for reference) who know that we are investing more in football now than we ever dreamed of...from facilities to salaries to NIL. And for the 3rd straight year, it's been very disappointing. Stoops has proven himself that we can get to 9 regular season wins, which is borderline playoffs in the new format.
The trajectory of the program is not good and many of us feel Stoops has done as much as he has done. I thank him for taking UK to levels I didn't think were possible, but also realize it's run its course. Bringing him back next year to face:
@ UL
@ Auburn
@ Georgia
vs Florida
vs Ole Miss
vs UT
vs Texas
@ South Carolina
@ Vandy
From all indications, that is not going to be pretty. It doesn't make since to continue the regression. Nothing he has shown the last 3 years makes me think he can even go .500 next year.
7-6
7-6
3-5
I'm not thrilled with those results, but your definition of bad is a much different standard than most. This season is bad. The last 2 were okay to disappointing.
My hope is he decides to retire or move on at the end of the year to retain what legacy and fan appreciation he's still got. I think next year is going to be really, really bad with the status quo.
Yeah, I'm sure no one on the staff knew that the players had their hands in the cookie jar. If Stoops didn't know then it was because he was being insulated by others on the staff. Either way, it's just another indictment of the undisciplined way he handles the program.
Looks like the post may have been removed. Someone posted that Thamel reported that BODs had scheduled a 9am Sunday meeting.
Maybe it was determined it was false info.
Sometimes you have to look ahead and see where you're going and the trends don't look good. With Stoops we are not going to win 6 games this year and next year 5 wins looks unlikely since the defense will probably go downhill a lot; it looks like we'll just lose too much talent and experience to replace by next year. UK isn't likely to be good next year no matter who is the coach but we have a better chance of being good in a couple years if Stoops leaves after this year instead of after next year.
I think comparably speaking, they have been bad. If you look at the first year they went to a bowl in 2016 through 2021, our SEC record was 21 - 19 (not counting the whacky covid year). In the last 3 years, we are (with losses against UT and Texas looming) 7-17. From 2016 to 2021, our record against teams that we have to beat to be decent was:
South Carolina: 4-1
Vanderbilt: 5-0
Missouri: 5-0
In the last 3 years, our record is:
South Carolina: 0-3
Vanderbilt: 1-2
Missouri: 1-1
We have won 2 home games against SEC teams in the last 3 years. We won 3 home SEC games in 2021 alone. Things are not good. You can just see it too. We are a bad football team and a program on the brink of being left behind imo.
Stoops talked to A&M in January.
Cal didn’t talk to Arkansas until after our exit in march. Stoops would not have known about Cal yet.
He has more than enough time to get this right. He needs to move on.
Those 7 6 years were horrible expectations were high 10 2 or 9 3 then beamer ball and the pony up vandy game were typical stoops under performing games stoops has got to go 2 and 13 not good we can't take another year of no offense anyone that condones this is not a true fan in my eyes
This is the key stretch and teams I always circle. You can throw UL in there too while satterfield was there. His great success came when he was getting games against Odom, Muschamp, satterfield in seasons and once James Franklin left Vandy Derrick Mason. Has struggled since those have left except against Louisville which has only been one season but we did go from having multiple td wins against them to having to come from behind last season against a 3rd string transfer Purdue qb so it feels like that series movement may not be positive for us
And Coach Stoops TOLD Mitch he was going to talk with A&M. Cal did NOT tell Mitch he was going to talk to Arky.
So, Coach Stoops contract could NOT be voided and since what happened to Cal there is NO WAY that he does ANYTHING to mess that up like Cal did. So, the ONLY way he leaves is of his own accord or we STILL owe him $44 million.
We have an 11.5 years of a losing record. Not just this year. Who else in SEC would be happy and not have fired the coach years ago. Hell, Vandy woud NOT tolerate Stoops record. Vandy have had 3 coaches since Stoops arrived at KY. Franklin, Derek Mason, and Clark Lea. Lea was on the hot seat entering this season. He probably bought himself 2 more years. If Stoops were to beat Bama, half this board would want to extend his contract with a raise. We as a fanbase are just stupid to even think of accepting the past 11.5 years record. Our SEC record is just horrible. Maybe we need to move to the MAC and win a few more games to make everyone happy. We are BETTER than to accept this sorry product that we are ask to support.
I can think of very few if any games that I felt stoops won due to his game calling and management. I go back to such horrible play calling at the very beginning of his era when I endured the loss to wku in Nashville. I thought then and it's been validated often that he was not going to last. However, this cat's ninth life is gone.
Your points are valid, but I'm not firing a guy who's the most successful coach at a perennial doormat after one losing season in a decade. Bowden, Paterno, Beamer, Farentz all had subpar seasons along the way and they were given the grace they had earned. If this continues another year, then I'd be more likely to agree, but I'm not there yet.
I give more credit to body of work (entire tenure), than this year. The two previous are the mean for his tenure and above avg for UK's program, so one has to give him credit for resetting expectations, but we can't have selective amnesia. We need to be careful what we wish for because the grass isn't always greener. I analyze this, similarly as I would the investments I choose for clients. What is the past performance vs recent and what tis the risk vs reward of divesting, which has tremendous cost and much higher risk than most would conceive when making emotional decisions vs strictly analytics.
Stoops has a career winning record here and that was after 12-24 to start out, so without some amazing additional context, I don't know WTH you are trying to say.
Of course there is a risk in any move you make. But, if there is a 3 or 4 year trend of something not working, you have to take a chance. There is no reason to sit in mediocrity...I have a feeling most coaches who we would bring on, with the resources we have, will be able to replicate his past 3 seasons.
As for the entire body of work, that's the Cal argument imo. Cal's entire body of work here was impressive, but 95% of the fanbase knew it was time for him to go because it had run it's course and it was trending for a number of years in a bad direction. And it's not just this year for Stoops....it's a 3 year trend of bad losses and not beating teams you should. This year is just much worse than the prior 2.
I'm a realist....the idea that we are going to become a top 10 program is unlikely. With that said, 7-17 in conference over the last 3 years, only winning 2 conference home games in the past 3 years and 2-6 against Vandy, USC and Mizzou over the past 3 years is enough proof for me that it's time for a change.
The same could be said about you.
Those kids in non revenue sports work their ass off.
After the vacated wins I don't think it is true he still has a winning career record.
Wow. God bless you is all I can say. Please look at the whole picture. Read the post above several times and realize where we are. It’s not just wins and losses, it’s how we played and prepared etc. Stoops is lost. He needs to go.
Many insiders said Cal was talking much earlier than that more of a Jan-Feb timeline.
All valid points, though I would hesitate with the Cal comparisons because UK basketball has had numerous zeniths under several coaches, so he was just another in the line. Stoops is the zenith, so the likelihood of exceeding what he have is a lot lower than with the basketball team. I'm headed in this direction, I'm just not there yet. If this coaching staff leaves, I suspect we lose most of the team and we are in for a multi-year rebuild. Not to mention that all the football boosters are Stoops' guys. It wouldn't surprise me if NIL drys up for a bit.
He won the games and had nothing to do with the issues and they weren't recruiting, so to try and take those wins away in this context is a bit absurd.
Still Stoops would not know at that time that Barnhart would enforce the clause and tell Cal to kick rocks. That is what the original poster said…. Do you think Stoops would not tell Barnhart he was talking to A&M after what happened to Cal??Is what was said. Stoops talked to A&M 3 months before Barnhart enforced that clause
