Yeah! The winningest stretch of UK FB in the past 70 years is totally on the Head Coach!
Thoughts from Dick Gabriel
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It is hard to overstate just how stupid this made-up conspiracy theory really is.
Unless I have wrong info Fla leads series 53-21 and they best us 31 times in a row until 2018 with most of that being Spurrier.
Gotcha...I was reading that wrong. I thought you meant the overall winning percentages of the respective programs. The series itself was 23-17 in UF's advantage prior to Spurrier who then blew it wide open.
I agree.
And even at that, is continual linear progress likely?
I like to compare Stoops to HOF Coach Frank Beamer. So far, Stoops is even, or even slightly ahead of Beamer in most categories.
But after Beamer’s legendary career at VPI, they have slid badly, and with multiple Coaches.
K-State is up and down, with very mediocre recruiting, at best, following two Hall of Fame stints by Snyder.
In the short term, what every program wants and needs is a miracle working Quarterback. Land a Lamar Jackson, a Dak Prescott type guy, and elevate a team on the 8ish win level to 11 or 12 wins (and Lamar elevated a 6 winish team to 9 wins).
With Coen, we have a shot to do this in the next 5 years.
You make a good point and I won't attempt to argue it, other than by stating that it does appear that Stoops is trending down and if we believe the reports, doesn't seem like he even wants to be here. So I'd say there's also risk involved in keeping him as well. But you are an expert in evaluating risks so I'll defer to your opinion on which risk is greater. I appreciate your response.
Blame the donors. Uk invested in facilities as soon as the money was available. Not a lot could be done when the ability to borrow was not even there. I guess if the state gave to UK like they have for UL it would have helped.
And as a financial analyst, what steps would you take if you identified ongoing "catastrophes preventing growth"?
It doesn't take an analyst to recognize the downward trend of this program the past 2 years, not even taking in to account the abysmal Covid year.
Losing to Vandy, twice to USC, Missouri, and the beat down by TN in Knoxville last year were not above the " historical average" for CMS once he has gotten his team established.
Your "expected range of outcomes" is obviously lower than many UK fans who expect more out of our coach and our football program, and that is ok.
Just don't expect everyone else to have your lower range of expectations based on a statistical average.
CMS needs to get this program headed back in the right direction and that will require changes to address the obvious "catastrophes" that are preventing that growth in my opinion.
No conspiracy, just how he presents himself for the over 40 years I’ve listened to HIM.
You like to throw out the insults, but RARELY if EVER provide any knowledge of the topic you complain about.
Stoops didn't feel the need to continue building on his Legacy this past weekend. Why will anyone else?
He needs to go. Hopefully Iowa does us a solid. He has reached his peak.
Nobody know exactly what happened and it happens across sports all the time even if he did talk to them. Like I’ve said before. If I went to a school who sucked and did things no coach had for decades and decades I’d think about leaving too with all the BS he’s heard the last 2 years.
As long as we repair our lines on both sides of the ball. We also need edge rushers to get some kind of pressure on the QB, we also have to protect the QB’s we have. Especially when we rely heavily on the run game historically under Stoops.
Doubt MS or Coen are here in 5 years. 1 retired and one moved on unless he is HC.
What this program needs and have not had since Drew Barker is coming....highly ranked and regarded high school quarterbacks to mold and grow with. Boley this January, Stone January 2025.
What group of people is conspiring to advance this narrative about Dick Gabriel and old school media? Also what powerful people are involved in its coverup?
If they get a chance to show what they can do. We are hitting the transfer portal hard for QB's going on 4 years now. No recruited QB gets a chance to even see the field most of the time. With the way Stoops likes to play, we rarely get big enough leads to even get the backups into the games. The times they get in it's just to hand it off. Can't develop players that way. Won't surprise me to see them transfer out if we keep taking portal QB's.
First off, always take hearsay reports with a huge grain of salt.
2nd, how does it appear that he's trending down?
| 2016 | Kentucky | 7–6 | 4–4 | T–2nd (Eastern) | L TaxSlayer | ||
| 2017 | Kentucky | 7–6 | 4–4 | T–3rd (Eastern) | L Music City | ||
| 2018 | Kentucky | 10–3 | 5–3 | T–2nd (Eastern) | W Citrus | 11 | 12 |
| 2019 | Kentucky | 8–5 | 3–5 | T–4th (Eastern) | W Belk | ||
| 2020 | Kentucky | 5–6 | 4–6 | 4th (Eastern) | W Gator | ||
| 2021 | Kentucky | 10–3 | 5–3 | 2nd (Eastern) | W Citrus | 15 | 18 |
| 2022 | Kentucky | 7–6 | 3–5 | T–4th (Eastern) | L Music City | ||
| 2023 | Kentucky | 7–5 | 3–5 | T–4th (Eastern) |
To me, he seems to have established a cycle. Cycles are present at 98% of college football programs. There are 2% of programs that can win extremely consistent year after year, but the vast majority have an ebb/flow to their production.....which depend on rosters, schedules, injuries, luck, coaching, etc. These cycles tend to occur about 2-4 yrs on average. Stoops' records over the last 8 yrs really seem to present a very consistent cycle.
This stinks because he doesn't seem to improving and staying rather stagnant.......but I'm not registering a downward trend. What am I missing?
Dicks entire article could have been squeezed into 2 words ( uttered by Stoops ) Pony Up … it’s monies fault we are where are . I’m not buying it . Lack of execution and discipline and lack of offensive imagination is not all on the players .. time management in year 11 ? Dreadful . I get the argument he’s done well , he has . No doubt . But these last 2 years have been garbage , it’s not been “ a couple bad games “ and HOW you lose matters as well . Totally 100% non competitive in 3 games in 2 years .. I think 1/2 the team peed their pants at UT last year . Terrified .
Expectations are part of it. We've had 3 disappointing years in the past 4 where we expected better. It's also not just the record. The product on the field has looked pretty bad in recent years. It's why Stoops will be forced to make some staff changes. You can only fire your staff so much before you have to start looking in the mirror and seeing you are also part of the problem.
If he wants to stay here, then he will also need to make some changes in the way he does things. Like making players more accountable, work on some of his coaching weaknesses, and give the coordinators more freedom. We can't be the slowest team in college football if you want to attract the better players. He's lost a number of fans. Will he do what's necessary to win them back? Right now I think there will be a substantial drop in season tickets next season.
I don't know about the resenting fans aspect, but he definitely seems to be trying to manage expectations with those comments and is seemingly all for maintaining the status quo; i.e. fans don't need to rock the boat; just keep buying tickets. He works for the university, so it's not a shocker to me.
Uhhh, so long as this coaching staff stays intact, and/or Coen gets the job should Stoops bail.
VPI and their fans have had high expectations since Coach Beamer left.
So have the fans of K-State, both times the old man retired.
Expectations don’t throw passes and make tackles.
If “expectations” made for wins, “hopes,” and “dreams” would also.
As the old saying says, "you are what your record says you are." So, regardless of expectations, Stoops has performed about the same. So, if you are disappointed over the last 3 yrs specifically.....it's on you, not Stoops. He's performed about the same over the last 8 yrs. We've seen similar mistakes, similar playstyle, similar, similar.
As far as the rest of your post. I agree. If he wants to push past where he has gotten to, then he has to change. Agreed. But it doesn't look like he's trending downward as much as he's hit a plateau.
I've listened to him for years as well and what you are saying is batshit crazy. He has never said anything remotely close to what you assert. You actually believe he hates Kentucky fans and actively roots against and tries to sabotage UK FB. What kind of freaking knowledge are you looking for? There are no official Dick Gabriel Ky hate averages. That lives exclusively in your imagination.
If reports of what happened late Sat night are true Liam Coen is not leaving Lexington anytime soon
IMO anybody trying to equate normal CFB evaluation of the 2020 covid year with its arbitrary rule changes on the fly is pretty foolish
Even so....5-6 against 10 games SEC plus a bowl against an 8-3 top ACC team is hardly disastrous
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I suppose you think the old “Indian Burial Ground” theory is too?
Hey, all I’m sayin’ is that the stadium construction took place before federal regulations required historical and archeological studies.
And one of Stoops’ wins against a ranked team, NC State.
You have just went 10 steps further in your perception of what I said and it has become a pattern with you.
Where did I say he “hates Kentucky fans”??? Or “roots against and tries to sabotage UK FB??!!!!
Heck, he WORKS for the UK Network!!
I NEVER DID!!!
What I did say Is that he tries to put LIMITS on fans expectations, which is EXACTLY what he did in that article.
You blow EVERYTHING I say out of proportions!!!
That was what they call a rhetorical question. Everyone knows you're a mod.
Lol. Let's take the emption and confusion out of it for you and do the simple math for you.
The people that have been saying repeatedly, year after year, on this message board, from the time Stoops first arrived, that Stoops can't take us to the next level, and the next, and the next that he HAS taken us to, DO expect us to surpass Georgia and Alabama, because "pushing for the East title" which we have done, is not good enough.
If we win 11 or 12 games, which is exactly the situation I stated that takes us beyond 10 wins, means we're pushing or passing Georgia. We can't win an SEC East without going through Georgia to get there. So, to say no one is expecting that, when they want to get rid of our current coach because he hasn't surpassed 10 wins, is saying this very thing.
Do the math
They won't because they are cowards. They will just keep saying "this" is not good enough, and our coach "can't do it" until the next time that he proves them wrong, and then they'll disappear like they always have. Maybe you're one of them, and that's why you can't look at it objectively at all.
Not my problem
What part of "not taking that year into account" did you not understand.
Everyone knows there were absolutely no conclusions that could be garnered from that crazy year. No need to even bring it up, really. Other than some posters jump on here with "covid" excuses for poor performance.
That year is an outlier regardless of results, good or bad.
Tell it brother, I remember our history since 1970. We have had some success, but, overall we sucked. Stoops has made us respectable and at least stopped the losing seasons.
Yes. According to unsubstantiated reports from the media, MB had three interviews set up for Sunday, one of which would be named the new head coach before the end of the day in an effort to keep the 24 class intact and hopefully keep our best players out of the portal.
1. Jon Sumrall
2. Liam Coen
3. Brad White
That move also prevented Coen and White from committing to go with CMS to A&M, which was Mitch's main objective for those two.
If true, and it is entirely reasonable, Barnhart is a genius.
He simultaneously froze A & M out, and let three fairly young, very successful men think they are next in line.
Barnhart ain’t stupid!!
Which also tells you this was not a last minute deal with CMS and A&M. His agent had already approached MB with a request for more pay/contract extension, and MB said NO.
So obviously, CMS had notified MB that he was leaving UK for A&M.
Still not sure how that will playout for CMS and MB relationship going forward.
Basically, MB prevented CMS from plundering the staff/program on his way out the door to A&M.
Had to be an uncomfortable conversation when A&M pulled the offer or CMS changed his mind.
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