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No dispute it’s all about winning. This is a given but there is no way I would support a coach who wins but who is also has an unethical or undesirable reputation.that taints the University and it’s athletic programs.
There are a lot of good people around this state but Cal if he as a job distribution is "to win games at UK". That is his number on job.
Good . Cant wait for him to retire so he can devout more time to “being a good person “
Tubby was also a terrific man but wasn't getting it done anymore just like Cal so had to go...
I don't want Mother Teresa as basketball coach or a surgeon. I have a good heart as well. Do I deserve a $9 million per year job simply based on my altruism or empathy? This is nothing but an attempt to morally shame the fan base who want change.
Understand that when emotional manipulation is played for why someone should keep their job, it means you have no other valid way of deflecting criticism.
Understand that when emotional manipulation is played for why someone should keep their job, it means you have no other valid way of deflecting criticism.
Dead on. The “cal has done so much for this state” argument has been brought up a lot as a reason to keep him and not have a coaching change in the next few years if things continue on current trajectory. The majority of the time it comes from people just like this who self admittedly are casual “fans” at best via proximity to someone who is passionate about the athletic programs or just bc they are from the state…or even say they don’t really care about sports BUT….
Either way, the second you admit you don’t really care too much about sports then your opinion is pretty irrelevant when it comes to conversations about coaching decisions, acceptable results, has the game passed him/is it time to move on.
If someone thinks he is just in a lull but next year is an indication he’s getting his mojo back and let’s see it play out to hopefully have another 2010-2015 run then ok…that’s a legit argument. But saying “I’ve seen ppl say things about Cal (I.e. most post are about him needing fired/going to Texas/underperforming and questionable decisions) but I’m here to tell you he’s a good person and that’s why I disagree” is her applying emotion to something that’s results based. Being a good guy and meeting the performance requirements to a job are not mutually exclusive
if its any consolation, given the condescension, I'm sure they wouldn't want it any other way
Condescension...hmmm, you mean like
"where are all those idiots that don't agree with my awesome, clairvoyant negative/positive opinion of Cal",
or
"I saw this coming years ago, but no one listened to (my awesomeness)"
or
"those people still hanging on are idiots that they didn't see what I saw years ago with Cal (my awesomeness)"
or
"you haters are idiots that just don't know basketball"
or
"if you don't like Cal or our team, you're not real fans"
Yeah, there are no other condescending clowns on Rafters...at all.
Every one of those goons would love to have beers with others that don't agree with them, simply because they thrive in engaging in conflict. Wait, maybe not...maybe it's just an internet tough guy situation. How many of the lovers and haters would seriously step away from the keyboard and meet one of the "other side" publicly, for a beer, tailgating, or even sit side by side at a game at Rupp? I'd wager they'd all say "nope, I'm just fine being a billy bad ass on the internet!"
For what it's worth, I'd still have a beer with any of you. Well, maybe not HerrosHeroes...that guy is just a bit over the top and I'd probably move quickly from a beer to bourbon with the constant rainbow farting...
Yes, but they have nothing to do with the subject at hand. She wanted to talk about positive character traits.
It’s probably a good thing that she’s a “casual-at-best” fan as she isn’t jaded, but only looks for the good in people.
Condescension...hmmm, you mean like
"where are all those idiots that don't agree with my awesome, clairvoyant negative/positive opinion of Cal",
or
"I saw this coming years ago, but no one listened to (my awesomeness)"
or
"those people still hanging on are idiots that they didn't see what I saw years ago with Cal (my awesomeness)"
or
"you haters are idiots that just don't know basketball"
or
"if you don't like Cal or our team, you're not real fans"
Yeah, there are no other condescending clowns on Rafters...at all.
Every one of those goons would love to have beers with others that don't agree with them, simply because they thrive in engaging in conflict. Wait, maybe not...maybe it's just an internet tough guy situation. How many of the lovers and haters would seriously step away from the keyboard and meet one of the "other side" publicly, for a beer, tailgating, or even sit side by side at a game at Rupp? I'd wager they'd all say "nope, I'm just fine being a billy bad ass on the internet!"
For what it's worth, I'd still have a beer with any of you. Well, maybe not HerrosHeroes...that guy is just a bit over the top and I'd probably move quickly from a beer to bourbon with the constant rainbow farting...
I quite frankly dgaf about splitting up the fanbase as "supporters" and "opposers" of Calipari. That's always been a goofy Rupp Rafters thing and it's just way to generalize people who disagree with your point of view. Never once in the real world has anyone in my entire life actually gave a **** if you like or do not like the Kentucky basketball coach.
And with that, idgaf which side you put me on.
But what is a common trend on this board is "poster A picks a side" and it's after that point that all rationality and logic go out the window. There is no appreciation of nuance. There is no level setting and truth flies out the window.
It's not about truth. It's about pushing agenda. So, we cannot make the realistic statement that there is more to coaching at Kentucky than W's and L's, despite that being the reality of coaching at Kentucky. If Billy Gillispie, for instance, didn't burn every bridge, hit on ever co-ed, and be a general dick to people in Lexington, he very well might've had more time at Kentucky.
The suggestion by the agenda driven, therein, suggest making such a statement means you "support" Calipari. Except it has nothing to do with supporting Calipari. The reality is that the character of the coach is an important part of coaching at Kentucky. People stating that are merely stating that as a way to nullify that Calipari does have characteristics that fit well at Kentucky.
And with that being stated, Chris Beard will never be hired at Kentucky. And it's 100% because of off the court issues.
Early on was KSR guy and part of KSR TV. Now has role in NLI for basketball team I think, but pretty sure he ran Calipari's website or social media for awhile (maybe still, I don't know).
I think anyone making a post about Calipari's character given the context of what has happened in the last few weeks might think its nuanced, but its about as subtle as a teenage boy on prom night
I mean, she's married to a guy responsible for the NIL of players at UK. I find it a bit shallow that she claims she is a casual follower given that a huge percentage of her life is directly related to what goes on with the program.
"I've heard some things" - I bet she has
Tubby was not a great guy. Tubby put the playing of his son ahead of the good of the program. Then he lied about another player's illness so he could keep playing his son. An illness that went away as soon as the son graduated. Tubby ran off Myron Anthony by not keeping his word to him.
Then Tubby slinked away without even talking to his players.
It's just a myth that Tubby was a good guy. And to top it off, he was a terrible coach.
Cal is a great human being and an even better basketball coach.
If you don't like him then don't like him. But making us sh!t to support personal hatred is just wrong.
Yea I’m not gonna get into personally attacking anyone or defending anyone I don’t know. Now we are treading into weird internet territory
Brad has joined the board.
Well I know tubby personally and a lot of what you say is business the other false except saul I agree on. But tubby is about as good a person you’re gonna find. Cal has put his ego ahead of the bb program and many other things. Helping people for cal is to distract and feed his ego.
Have you seen some of the posters on this board lately? There's been tons of people calling Cal a legitimately awful person, a narcissist who doesn't actually care about other people, a person who does all his good deeds for PR and that's it, a coach who's purposely tanking the program because he hates Kentucky fans, a Yankee liberal who is doing this all to get back at rural Kentucky fans, etc. etc.
Edit: I'm not saying it's acceptable to excuse bad coaching because someone's a good person, but there are tons of fans here who seem to legitimately hate Cal the person just as much as they do Cal the coach.
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What a wild opinion. If UK hired Chris Beard tomorrow I'd give up my three decades of fandom in a heartbeat.
I heard people say that about Cal until we went to our first final four
I do believe UK and Mitch both have to much class and morales to hire that scumbag
This. Right. Here.
It’s partially why I dot want Pitino back here.
You can win and be a good human. And it’s of difficult to do. You night be seen as a hardass but that different than being an ahole.
I cannot support trading morals for wins. With that being said I also don’t want to hire a monk if he can’t win ballgames.
Maybe they were steering it back toward the reason things were being said about Cal, which SHE brought up first.
She brought them up, but offered a contrasting story about the charitable works. She already is aware of the negative comments, and I don’t think her post is diminished by the fervor (or lack of) of her fanhood
For instance, let’s say you start a post that says;
“” Yeah Cal Is struggling and a lot of people are unhappy with his substitution performance etc., but here’s a little anecdote. Say you went to Home Depot, then walked back out to the parking lot, and to your dismay, your car needed a You notice everyone had left except for Calipari who came over with jumper cables to help you start your car.”
After telling this story, You don’t want your post cluttered with a bunch of people who are saying “but but he went nine and 16 two years ago and then lost to Saint Peter’s last year, And then lost two teams at home we shouldn’t have”
What’s the point of busting into a thread with a comment that spotlights the original, statement when it was obviously brought up in the original BUT contrasting statement?
Cal does good things and I want him to continue to do good things but he's paid to win games here ultimately.
Reality is Gillispie would still be here if he won games, all of his off court antics would get swept under the rug.
Reality is Gillispie would still be here if he won games, all of his off court antics would get swept under the rug.
It’s simply two completely different issues.
One - good man good heart
Two- Coach of the best college basketball program in college history.
One doesn’t have to bleed over into the other
One - good man good heart
Two- Coach of the best college basketball program in college history.
One doesn’t have to bleed over into the other
Then she could have shared her story without kicking the hornets’ nest she knew was there. Then anyone who brought up extraneous topics would have clearly been out of line. Unfortunately she opened the door and invited all the outdoors in with her shot across the bow.
My ol' daddy used to tell me that Bear Bryant once said, "My wife's a helluva nice lady, but she can't play tackle."
People said that about Cal too
I'm not a Beard fan, but winning changes alot of piousness
There's a huge difference between being a shady recruiter that may bend NCAA rules and a domestic abuser.
I don't care what people said or felt about Cal. I know what my opinion is and that's all I can comment on
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